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From: "Michel Dänzer" <michel@daenzer.net>
To: Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>, Roman Gushchin <guro@fb.com>
Cc: Andrey Grodzovsky <andrey.grodzovsky@amd.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, amd-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org,
	Christian.Koenig@amd.com
Subject: Re: [RFC] Per file OOM badness
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2018 17:39:19 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ccac4870-ced3-f169-17df-2ab5da468bf0@daenzer.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180123153631.GR1526@dhcp22.suse.cz>

On 2018-01-23 04:36 PM, Michal Hocko wrote:
> On Tue 23-01-18 15:27:00, Roman Gushchin wrote:
>> On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 06:00:06PM +0100, Michal Hocko wrote:
>>> On Thu 18-01-18 11:47:48, Andrey Grodzovsky wrote:
>>>> Hi, this series is a revised version of an RFC sent by Christian König
>>>> a few years ago. The original RFC can be found at 
>>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__lists.freedesktop.org_archives_dri-2Ddevel_2015-2DSeptember_089778.html&d=DwIDAw&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=jJYgtDM7QT-W-Fz_d29HYQ&m=R-JIQjy8rqmH5qD581_VYL0Q7cpWSITKOnBCE-3LI8U&s=QZGqKpKuJ2BtioFGSy8_721owcWJ0J6c6d4jywOwN4w&
>>> Here is the origin cover letter text
>>> : I'm currently working on the issue that when device drivers allocate memory on
>>> : behalf of an application the OOM killer usually doesn't knew about that unless
>>> : the application also get this memory mapped into their address space.
>>> : 
>>> : This is especially annoying for graphics drivers where a lot of the VRAM
>>> : usually isn't CPU accessible and so doesn't make sense to map into the
>>> : address space of the process using it.
>>> : 
>>> : The problem now is that when an application starts to use a lot of VRAM those
>>> : buffers objects sooner or later get swapped out to system memory, but when we
>>> : now run into an out of memory situation the OOM killer obviously doesn't knew
>>> : anything about that memory and so usually kills the wrong process.
>>> : 
>>> : The following set of patches tries to address this problem by introducing a per
>>> : file OOM badness score, which device drivers can use to give the OOM killer a
>>> : hint how many resources are bound to a file descriptor so that it can make
>>> : better decisions which process to kill.
>>> : 
>>> : So question at every one: What do you think about this approach?
>>> : 
>>> : My biggest concern right now is the patches are messing with a core kernel
>>> : structure (adding a field to struct file). Any better idea? I'm considering
>>> : to put a callback into file_ops instead.
>>
>> Hello!
>>
>> I wonder if groupoom (aka cgroup-aware OOM killer) can work for you?
> 
> I do not think so. The problem is that the allocating context is not
> identical with the end consumer.

That's actually not really true. Even in cases where a BO is shared with
a different process, it is still used at least occasionally in the
process which allocated it as well. Otherwise there would be no point in
sharing it between processes.


There should be no problem if the memory of a shared BO is accounted for
in each process sharing it. It might be nice to scale each process'
"debt" by 1 / (number of processes sharing it) if possible, but in the
worst case accounting it fully in each process should be fine.


-- 
Earthling Michel Dänzer               |               http://www.amd.com
Libre software enthusiast             |             Mesa and X developer

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From: "Michel Dänzer" <michel@daenzer.net>
To: Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>, Roman Gushchin <guro@fb.com>
Cc: Andrey Grodzovsky <andrey.grodzovsky@amd.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, amd-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org,
	Christian.Koenig@amd.com
Subject: Re: [RFC] Per file OOM badness
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2018 17:39:19 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ccac4870-ced3-f169-17df-2ab5da468bf0@daenzer.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180123153631.GR1526@dhcp22.suse.cz>

On 2018-01-23 04:36 PM, Michal Hocko wrote:
> On Tue 23-01-18 15:27:00, Roman Gushchin wrote:
>> On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 06:00:06PM +0100, Michal Hocko wrote:
>>> On Thu 18-01-18 11:47:48, Andrey Grodzovsky wrote:
>>>> Hi, this series is a revised version of an RFC sent by Christian KA?nig
>>>> a few years ago. The original RFC can be found at 
>>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__lists.freedesktop.org_archives_dri-2Ddevel_2015-2DSeptember_089778.html&d=DwIDAw&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=jJYgtDM7QT-W-Fz_d29HYQ&m=R-JIQjy8rqmH5qD581_VYL0Q7cpWSITKOnBCE-3LI8U&s=QZGqKpKuJ2BtioFGSy8_721owcWJ0J6c6d4jywOwN4w&
>>> Here is the origin cover letter text
>>> : I'm currently working on the issue that when device drivers allocate memory on
>>> : behalf of an application the OOM killer usually doesn't knew about that unless
>>> : the application also get this memory mapped into their address space.
>>> : 
>>> : This is especially annoying for graphics drivers where a lot of the VRAM
>>> : usually isn't CPU accessible and so doesn't make sense to map into the
>>> : address space of the process using it.
>>> : 
>>> : The problem now is that when an application starts to use a lot of VRAM those
>>> : buffers objects sooner or later get swapped out to system memory, but when we
>>> : now run into an out of memory situation the OOM killer obviously doesn't knew
>>> : anything about that memory and so usually kills the wrong process.
>>> : 
>>> : The following set of patches tries to address this problem by introducing a per
>>> : file OOM badness score, which device drivers can use to give the OOM killer a
>>> : hint how many resources are bound to a file descriptor so that it can make
>>> : better decisions which process to kill.
>>> : 
>>> : So question at every one: What do you think about this approach?
>>> : 
>>> : My biggest concern right now is the patches are messing with a core kernel
>>> : structure (adding a field to struct file). Any better idea? I'm considering
>>> : to put a callback into file_ops instead.
>>
>> Hello!
>>
>> I wonder if groupoom (aka cgroup-aware OOM killer) can work for you?
> 
> I do not think so. The problem is that the allocating context is not
> identical with the end consumer.

That's actually not really true. Even in cases where a BO is shared with
a different process, it is still used at least occasionally in the
process which allocated it as well. Otherwise there would be no point in
sharing it between processes.


There should be no problem if the memory of a shared BO is accounted for
in each process sharing it. It might be nice to scale each process'
"debt" by 1 / (number of processes sharing it) if possible, but in the
worst case accounting it fully in each process should be fine.


-- 
Earthling Michel DA?nzer               |               http://www.amd.com
Libre software enthusiast             |             Mesa and X developer

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From: "Michel Dänzer" <michel-otUistvHUpPR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
To: Michal Hocko <mhocko-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
	Roman Gushchin <guro-b10kYP2dOMg@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Andrey Grodzovsky
	<andrey.grodzovsky-5C7GfCeVMHo@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	dri-devel-PD4FTy7X32lNgt0PjOBp9y5qC8QIuHrW@public.gmane.org,
	linux-mm-Bw31MaZKKs3YtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org,
	amd-gfx-PD4FTy7X32lNgt0PjOBp9y5qC8QIuHrW@public.gmane.org,
	Christian.Koenig-5C7GfCeVMHo@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] Per file OOM badness
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2018 17:39:19 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ccac4870-ced3-f169-17df-2ab5da468bf0@daenzer.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180123153631.GR1526-2MMpYkNvuYDjFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>

On 2018-01-23 04:36 PM, Michal Hocko wrote:
> On Tue 23-01-18 15:27:00, Roman Gushchin wrote:
>> On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 06:00:06PM +0100, Michal Hocko wrote:
>>> On Thu 18-01-18 11:47:48, Andrey Grodzovsky wrote:
>>>> Hi, this series is a revised version of an RFC sent by Christian König
>>>> a few years ago. The original RFC can be found at 
>>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__lists.freedesktop.org_archives_dri-2Ddevel_2015-2DSeptember_089778.html&d=DwIDAw&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=jJYgtDM7QT-W-Fz_d29HYQ&m=R-JIQjy8rqmH5qD581_VYL0Q7cpWSITKOnBCE-3LI8U&s=QZGqKpKuJ2BtioFGSy8_721owcWJ0J6c6d4jywOwN4w&
>>> Here is the origin cover letter text
>>> : I'm currently working on the issue that when device drivers allocate memory on
>>> : behalf of an application the OOM killer usually doesn't knew about that unless
>>> : the application also get this memory mapped into their address space.
>>> : 
>>> : This is especially annoying for graphics drivers where a lot of the VRAM
>>> : usually isn't CPU accessible and so doesn't make sense to map into the
>>> : address space of the process using it.
>>> : 
>>> : The problem now is that when an application starts to use a lot of VRAM those
>>> : buffers objects sooner or later get swapped out to system memory, but when we
>>> : now run into an out of memory situation the OOM killer obviously doesn't knew
>>> : anything about that memory and so usually kills the wrong process.
>>> : 
>>> : The following set of patches tries to address this problem by introducing a per
>>> : file OOM badness score, which device drivers can use to give the OOM killer a
>>> : hint how many resources are bound to a file descriptor so that it can make
>>> : better decisions which process to kill.
>>> : 
>>> : So question at every one: What do you think about this approach?
>>> : 
>>> : My biggest concern right now is the patches are messing with a core kernel
>>> : structure (adding a field to struct file). Any better idea? I'm considering
>>> : to put a callback into file_ops instead.
>>
>> Hello!
>>
>> I wonder if groupoom (aka cgroup-aware OOM killer) can work for you?
> 
> I do not think so. The problem is that the allocating context is not
> identical with the end consumer.

That's actually not really true. Even in cases where a BO is shared with
a different process, it is still used at least occasionally in the
process which allocated it as well. Otherwise there would be no point in
sharing it between processes.


There should be no problem if the memory of a shared BO is accounted for
in each process sharing it. It might be nice to scale each process'
"debt" by 1 / (number of processes sharing it) if possible, but in the
worst case accounting it fully in each process should be fine.


-- 
Earthling Michel Dänzer               |               http://www.amd.com
Libre software enthusiast             |             Mesa and X developer
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Thread overview: 170+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-01-18 16:47 [RFC] Per file OOM badness Andrey Grodzovsky
2018-01-18 16:47 ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2018-01-18 16:47 ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2018-01-18 16:47 ` [PATCH 1/4] fs: add OOM badness callback in file_operatrations struct Andrey Grodzovsky
2018-01-18 16:47   ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2018-01-18 16:47   ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2018-01-18 16:47 ` [PATCH 2/4] oom: take per file badness into account Andrey Grodzovsky
2018-01-18 16:47   ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2018-01-18 16:47   ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2018-01-18 16:47 ` [PATCH 3/4] drm/gem: adjust per file OOM badness on handling buffers Andrey Grodzovsky
2018-01-18 16:47   ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2018-01-18 16:47   ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2018-01-19  6:01   ` Chunming Zhou
2018-01-19  6:01     ` Chunming Zhou
2018-01-19  6:01     ` Chunming Zhou
2018-01-18 16:47 ` [PATCH 4/4] drm/amdgpu: Use drm_oom_badness for amdgpu Andrey Grodzovsky
2018-01-18 16:47   ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2018-01-18 16:47   ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2018-01-30  9:24   ` Daniel Vetter
2018-01-30  9:24     ` Daniel Vetter
2018-01-30 12:42     ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2018-01-30 12:42       ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2018-01-30 12:42       ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2018-01-18 17:00 ` [RFC] Per file OOM badness Michal Hocko
2018-01-18 17:00   ` Michal Hocko
2018-01-18 17:00   ` Michal Hocko
2018-01-18 17:13   ` Michal Hocko
2018-01-18 17:13     ` Michal Hocko
2018-01-18 20:01     ` Eric Anholt
2018-01-19  8:20       ` Michal Hocko
2018-01-19  8:20         ` Michal Hocko
2018-01-19  8:20         ` Michal Hocko
2018-01-19  8:39         ` Christian König
2018-01-19  8:39           ` Christian König
2018-01-19  8:39           ` Christian König
2018-01-19  9:32           ` Michel Dänzer
2018-01-19  9:32             ` Michel Dänzer
2018-01-19  9:32             ` Michel Dänzer
2018-01-19  9:58             ` Christian König
2018-01-19  9:58               ` Christian König
2018-01-19  9:58               ` Christian König
2018-01-19 10:02               ` Michel Dänzer
2018-01-19 10:02                 ` Michel Dänzer
2018-01-19 10:02                 ` Michel Dänzer
2018-01-19 15:07                 ` Michel Dänzer
2018-01-19 15:07                   ` Michel Dänzer
2018-01-21  6:50                   ` Eric Anholt
2018-01-19 10:40           ` Michal Hocko
2018-01-19 10:40             ` Michal Hocko
2018-01-19 10:40             ` Michal Hocko
2018-01-19 11:37             ` Christian König
2018-01-19 11:37               ` Christian König
2018-01-19 11:37               ` Christian König
2018-01-19 12:13               ` Michal Hocko
2018-01-19 12:13                 ` Michal Hocko
2018-01-19 12:13                 ` Michal Hocko
2018-01-19 12:20                 ` Michal Hocko
2018-01-19 12:20                   ` Michal Hocko
2018-01-19 12:20                   ` Michal Hocko
2018-01-19 16:54                   ` Christian König
2018-01-19 16:54                     ` Christian König
2018-01-19 16:54                     ` Christian König
2018-01-23 11:39                     ` Michal Hocko
2018-01-23 11:39                       ` Michal Hocko
2018-01-23 11:39                       ` Michal Hocko
2018-01-19 16:48               ` Michel Dänzer
2018-01-19 16:48                 ` Michel Dänzer
2018-01-19 16:48                 ` Michel Dänzer
2018-01-19  8:35       ` Christian König
2018-01-19  8:35         ` Christian König
2018-01-19  6:01     ` He, Roger
2018-01-19  8:25       ` Michal Hocko
2018-01-19  8:25         ` Michal Hocko
2018-01-19 10:02         ` roger
2018-01-19 10:02           ` roger
2018-01-23 15:27   ` Roman Gushchin
2018-01-23 15:27     ` Roman Gushchin
2018-01-23 15:27     ` Roman Gushchin
2018-01-23 15:36     ` Michal Hocko
2018-01-23 15:36       ` Michal Hocko
2018-01-23 15:36       ` Michal Hocko
2018-01-23 16:39       ` Michel Dänzer [this message]
2018-01-23 16:39         ` Michel Dänzer
2018-01-23 16:39         ` Michel Dänzer
2018-01-24  9:28         ` Michal Hocko
2018-01-24  9:28           ` Michal Hocko
2018-01-24  9:28           ` Michal Hocko
2018-01-24 10:27           ` Michel Dänzer
2018-01-24 10:27             ` Michel Dänzer
2018-01-24 10:27             ` Michel Dänzer
2018-01-24 11:01             ` Michal Hocko
2018-01-24 11:01               ` Michal Hocko
2018-01-24 11:01               ` Michal Hocko
2018-01-24 11:23               ` Michel Dänzer
2018-01-24 11:23                 ` Michel Dänzer
2018-01-24 11:23                 ` Michel Dänzer
2018-01-24 11:50                 ` Michal Hocko
2018-01-24 11:50                   ` Michal Hocko
2018-01-24 11:50                   ` Michal Hocko
2018-01-24 12:11                   ` Christian König
2018-01-24 12:11                     ` Christian König
2018-01-30  9:31                     ` Daniel Vetter
2018-01-30  9:31                       ` Daniel Vetter
2018-01-30  9:31                       ` Daniel Vetter
2018-01-30  9:43                       ` Michel Dänzer
2018-01-30  9:43                         ` Michel Dänzer
2018-01-30  9:43                         ` Michel Dänzer
2018-01-30 10:40                         ` Christian König
2018-01-30 10:40                           ` Christian König
2018-01-30 10:40                           ` Christian König
2018-01-30 11:02                           ` Michel Dänzer
2018-01-30 11:02                             ` Michel Dänzer
2018-01-30 11:02                             ` Michel Dänzer
2018-01-30 11:28                             ` Christian König
2018-01-30 11:28                               ` Christian König
2018-01-30 11:34                               ` Michel Dänzer
2018-01-30 11:34                                 ` Michel Dänzer
2018-01-30 11:34                                 ` Michel Dänzer
2018-01-30 11:36                                 ` Nicolai Hähnle
2018-01-30 11:36                                   ` Nicolai Hähnle
2018-01-30 11:36                                   ` Nicolai Hähnle
2018-01-30 11:42                                   ` Michel Dänzer
2018-01-30 11:42                                     ` Michel Dänzer
2018-01-30 11:42                                     ` Michel Dänzer
2018-01-30 11:56                                     ` Christian König
2018-01-30 11:56                                       ` Christian König
2018-01-30 11:56                                       ` Christian König
2018-01-30 15:52                                       ` Michel Dänzer
2018-01-30 15:52                                         ` Michel Dänzer
2018-01-30 15:52                                         ` Michel Dänzer
2018-01-30 10:42                         ` Daniel Vetter
2018-01-30 10:42                           ` Daniel Vetter
2018-01-30 10:42                           ` Daniel Vetter
2018-01-30 10:48                           ` Michel Dänzer
2018-01-30 10:48                             ` Michel Dänzer
2018-01-30 10:48                             ` Michel Dänzer
2018-01-30 11:35                             ` Nicolai Hähnle
2018-01-30 11:35                               ` Nicolai Hähnle
2018-01-30 11:35                               ` Nicolai Hähnle
2018-01-24 14:31                   ` Michel Dänzer
2018-01-24 14:31                     ` Michel Dänzer
2018-01-24 14:31                     ` Michel Dänzer
2018-01-30  9:29                   ` Michel Dänzer
2018-01-30  9:29                     ` Michel Dänzer
2018-01-30  9:29                     ` Michel Dänzer
2018-01-30 10:28                     ` Michal Hocko
2018-01-30 10:28                       ` Michal Hocko
2018-01-30 10:28                       ` Michal Hocko
2018-03-26 14:36                       ` Lucas Stach
2018-03-26 14:36                         ` Lucas Stach
2018-03-26 14:36                         ` Lucas Stach
2018-04-04  9:09                         ` Michel Dänzer
2018-04-04  9:09                           ` Michel Dänzer
2018-04-04  9:09                           ` Michel Dänzer
2018-04-04  9:36                           ` Lucas Stach
2018-04-04  9:36                             ` Lucas Stach
2018-04-04  9:36                             ` Lucas Stach
2018-04-04  9:46                             ` Michel Dänzer
2018-04-04  9:46                               ` Michel Dänzer
2018-04-04  9:46                               ` Michel Dänzer
2018-01-19  5:39 ` He, Roger
2018-01-19  8:17   ` Christian König
2018-01-19  8:17     ` Christian König
2018-01-19  8:17     ` Christian König
2018-01-22 23:23 ` Andrew Morton
2018-01-22 23:23   ` Andrew Morton
2018-01-22 23:23   ` Andrew Morton
2018-01-23  1:59   ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2018-01-23  1:59     ` Andrey Grodzovsky
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2015-09-04 12:53 Christian König

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