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From: Pierre-Louis Bossart <pierre-louis.bossart@linux.intel.com>
To: Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org>
Cc: Daniel Baluta <daniel.baluta@gmail.com>,
	andriy.shevchenko@intel.com, Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de>,
	alsa-devel@alsa-project.org, liam.r.girdwood@linux.intel.com,
	vkoul@kernel.org, sound-open-firmware@alsa-project.org,
	Alan Cox <alan@linux.intel.com>
Subject: Re: [Sound-open-firmware] [PATCH v4 01/14] ASoC: SOF: Add Sound Open Firmware driver core
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2019 15:32:54 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <d92700ef-4975-fd8b-c93b-b699f65781b1@linux.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190220162645.GB9878@sirena.org.uk>


On 2/20/19 10:26 AM, Mark Brown wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 08:35:16AM -0600, Pierre-Louis Bossart wrote:
>
>> I see your point and agree the current direction isn't scalable, but I am
>> not sure about the definition of 'first class device'.
>> Did you mean 'component' at the same level as the 'platforms' and 'codecs',
>> with all the DSP stuff nicely packaged and maintained in a self-contained
>> way?
>> Or a subcomponent that might be part of those platforms and codecs?
> As far as I can see for the Intel systems it's looking like a first
> class component - there will be some systems where the DSP is embedded
> in something (like the big CODECs) but even there it's easier as it's
> contained within the device rather than affecting multiple devices which
> is the big issue here.

Sorry Mark, I am struggling with the 'first class' idea.

Allow me to go back to the practical issue we faced here, and 
maybe/hopefully this will help us converge on a consensus.

The only reason for extending the struct snd_soc_pcm_runtime was to 
enable the use of a 'context' in PCM operations, see e.g in patch 5/14 
the repeated pattern to get an 'SOF PCM' context:

struct snd_sof_pcm *spcm = rtd->private;

Managing a context for PCM ops is typically done in other drivers by 
using the substream->private_data aka snd_pcm_substream_chip(substream).

In ASoC/DPCM, unfortunately this substream->private_data field was 
reclaimed to store a pointer to a 'struct snd_soc_pcm_runtime', see e.g. 
in soc-pcm.c:

pcm->private_data = rtd;

         if (playback)
pcm->streams[SNDRV_PCM_STREAM_PLAYBACK].substream->private_data = rtd;
         if (capture)
pcm->streams[SNDRV_PCM_STREAM_CAPTURE].substream->private_data = rtd;

So ironically in ASoC we don't have a means to use a private_data field 
for the substreams since it's used for a 'standard' mechanism.

The extension suggested in this patch 1/14 was really trying to come 
back to a practical means to store a context in a substream, and make 
the PCM operations manageable. I totally agree that extending the PCM 
runtime might not recommended or safe, but at this point I don't have 
any slack in the existing data structures to add a context in a substream.

Does this help clarify the problem statement?

  reply	other threads:[~2019-02-20 21:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 81+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-02-13 22:07 [PATCH v4 00/14] ASoC: Sound Open Firmware (SOF) core Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-02-13 22:07 ` [PATCH v4 01/14] ASoC: SOF: Add Sound Open Firmware driver core Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-02-14  9:25   ` Takashi Iwai
2019-02-14 14:53     ` [Sound-open-firmware] " Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-02-19 15:38       ` Mark Brown
2019-02-20 14:35         ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-02-20 16:26           ` Mark Brown
2019-02-20 21:32             ` Pierre-Louis Bossart [this message]
2019-02-21 18:47               ` Mark Brown
2019-02-22  0:08                 ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-02-13 22:07 ` [PATCH v4 02/14] ASoC: SOF: Add Sound Open Firmware KControl support Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-02-14  9:30   ` Takashi Iwai
2019-02-14 14:35     ` [Sound-open-firmware] " Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-02-14 15:21       ` Takashi Iwai
2019-02-13 22:07 ` [PATCH v4 03/14] ASoC: SOF: Add driver debug support Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-02-13 22:07 ` [PATCH v4 04/14] ASoC: SOF: Add support for IPC IO between DSP and Host Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-02-14 11:52   ` Takashi Iwai
2019-02-14 14:56     ` [Sound-open-firmware] " Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-02-20 17:31       ` Mark Brown
2019-02-13 22:07 ` [PATCH v4 05/14] ASoC: SOF: Add PCM operations support Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-02-14 11:20   ` Takashi Iwai
2019-02-14 15:07     ` [Sound-open-firmware] " Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-02-14 20:42       ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-02-18 15:51   ` Daniel Baluta
2019-02-13 22:07 ` [PATCH v4 06/14] ASoC: SOF: Add support for loading topologies Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-02-13 22:07 ` [PATCH v4 07/14] ASoC: SOF: Add DSP firmware logger support Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-02-14 13:19   ` Takashi Iwai
2019-02-14 15:13     ` [Sound-open-firmware] " Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-02-20 17:44   ` Mark Brown
2019-02-20 20:18     ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-02-21 12:29       ` Andy Shevchenko
2019-02-21 14:57         ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-02-21 15:04         ` Mark Brown
2019-02-13 22:07 ` [PATCH v4 08/14] ASoC: SOF: Add DSP HW abstraction operations Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-02-14 13:21   ` Takashi Iwai
2019-02-14 15:22     ` [Sound-open-firmware] " Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-02-14 13:45   ` Andy Shevchenko
2019-02-14 15:21     ` [Sound-open-firmware] " Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-02-13 22:07 ` [PATCH v4 09/14] ASoC: SOF: Add firmware loader support Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-02-13 22:07 ` [PATCH v4 10/14] ASoC: SOF: Add userspace ABI support Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-02-13 22:07 ` [PATCH v4 11/14] ASoC: SOF: Add PM support Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-02-13 22:07 ` [PATCH v4 12/14] ASoC: SOF: Add Nocodec machine driver support Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-02-13 22:07 ` [PATCH v4 13/14] ASoC: SOF: Add xtensa support Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-02-13 22:07 ` [PATCH v4 14/14] ASoC: SOF: Add utils Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-02-14 13:33   ` Takashi Iwai
2019-02-14 13:37     ` Takashi Iwai
2019-02-18 20:03 ` [v4,00/14] ASoC: Sound Open Firmware (SOF) core Xiang Xiao
2019-02-19  9:49   ` [alsa-devel] " Srinivas Kandagatla
2019-02-19  9:49     ` Srinivas Kandagatla
2019-02-19 15:09     ` [alsa-devel] " xiang xiao
2019-02-19 15:09       ` xiang xiao
2019-02-19 15:55       ` [alsa-devel] " Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-02-19 15:55         ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-02-21  4:39         ` [alsa-devel] " Vinod Koul
2019-02-21  4:39           ` Vinod Koul
2019-02-21 10:42           ` [alsa-devel] " Arnaud Pouliquen
2019-02-21 10:42             ` Arnaud Pouliquen
2019-02-21 11:28             ` [alsa-devel] " Mark Brown
2019-02-21 11:28               ` Mark Brown
2019-02-21 23:49               ` [alsa-devel] " Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-02-21 23:49                 ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-02-21 15:27           ` [alsa-devel] " Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-02-21 15:27             ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-02-22  8:32             ` [alsa-devel] " xiang xiao
2019-02-22  8:32               ` xiang xiao
2019-02-22 11:15               ` [alsa-devel] " Keyon Jie
2019-02-22 11:15                 ` Keyon Jie
2019-02-22 18:21                 ` [alsa-devel] " xiang xiao
2019-02-22 18:21                   ` xiang xiao
2019-02-25  3:05                   ` [Sound-open-firmware] [alsa-devel] [v4, 00/14] " Keyon Jie
2019-02-25  3:05                     ` [Sound-open-firmware] " Keyon Jie
2019-02-22 14:48               ` [Sound-open-firmware] [alsa-devel] " Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-02-22 14:48                 ` [Sound-open-firmware] " Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-02-22 18:41                 ` [Sound-open-firmware] [alsa-devel] " xiang xiao
2019-02-22 18:41                   ` [Sound-open-firmware] " xiang xiao
2019-02-22 21:52                   ` [alsa-devel] " Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-02-22 21:52                     ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2019-02-23 16:42                     ` [alsa-devel] " xiang xiao
2019-02-23 16:42                       ` xiang xiao
2019-02-25 10:16                 ` [Sound-open-firmware] [alsa-devel] " Srinivas Kandagatla
2019-02-25 10:16                   ` [Sound-open-firmware] " Srinivas Kandagatla

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