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From: Andrew Cooper <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com>
To: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Juergen Gross <JGross@suse.com>,
	One Thousand Gnomes <gnomes@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Brian Gerst <brgerst@gmail.com>, X86 ML <x86@kernel.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Matthew Whitehead <tedheadster@gmail.com>,
	Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <hmh@hmh.eng.br>,
	Boris Ostrovsky <boris.ostrovsky@oracle.com>,
	Xen-devel List <xen-devel@lists.xen.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 5/6] x86/xen: Add a Xen-specific sync_core() implementation
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2016 17:16:51 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <e944fe00-e568-f258-6f42-5655b1424d7c__7676.66711840338$1480699093$gmane$org@citrix.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALCETrV38BPzsOrhydgUqsQdQy9x2id2myQy+S3V3xUH9zJUdQ@mail.gmail.com>

On 02/12/16 17:07, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> On Dec 2, 2016 3:44 AM, "Andrew Cooper" <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com> wrote:
>> On 02/12/16 00:35, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
>>> On Xen PV, CPUID is likely to trap, and Xen hypercalls aren't
>>> guaranteed to serialize.  (Even CPUID isn't *really* guaranteed to
>>> serialize on Xen PV, but, in practice, any trap it generates will
>>> serialize.)
>> Well, Xen will enabled CPUID Faulting wherever it can, which is
>> realistically all IvyBridge hardware and newer.
>>
>> All hypercalls are a privilege change to cpl0.  I'd hope this condition
>> is serialising, but I can't actually find any documentation proving or
>> disproving this.
> I don't know for sure.  IRET is serializing, and if Xen returns using
> IRET, we're fine.

All returns to a 64bit PV guest at defined points (hypercall return,
exception entry, etc) are from SYSRET, not IRET.

Talking of, I still have a patch to remove
PARAVIRT_ADJUST_EXCEPTION_FRAME which I need to complete and send upstream.

>
>>> On my laptop, CPUID(eax=1, ecx=0) is ~83ns and IRET-to-self is
>>> ~110ns.  But Xen PV will trap CPUID if possible, so IRET-to-self
>>> should end up being a nice speedup.
>>>
>>> Cc: Andrew Cooper <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com>
>>> Signed-off-by: Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>
>> CC'ing xen-devel and the Xen maintainers in Linux.
>>
>> As this is the only email from this series in my inbox, I will say this
>> here, but it should really be against patch 6.
>>
>> A write to %cr2 is apparently (http://sandpile.org/x86/coherent.htm) not
>> serialising on the 486, but I don't have a manual to hand to check.
> I'll quote the (modern) SDM.  For self-modifying code "The use of one
> of these options is not required for programs intended to run on the
> Pentium or Intel486 processors,
> but are recommended to ensure compatibility with the P6 and more
> recent processor families.".  For cross-modifying code "The use of
> this option is not required for programs intended to run on the
> Intel486 processor, but is recommended
> to ensure compatibility with the Pentium 4, Intel Xeon, P6 family, and
> Pentium processors."  So I'm not sure there's a problem.

Fair enough.  (Assuming similar properties hold for the older processors
of other vendors.)

~Andrew

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Thread overview: 65+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-11-30 20:34 [PATCH 0/4] CPUID-less CPU fixes and improvements Andy Lutomirski
2016-11-30 20:34 ` [PATCH 1/4] x86/asm/32: Make sync_core() handle missing CPUID on all 32-bit kernels Andy Lutomirski
2016-11-30 20:34 ` [PATCH 2/4] Revert "x86/boot: Fail the boot if !M486 and CPUID is missing" Andy Lutomirski
2016-12-01  5:53   ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-12-01  9:02     ` Borislav Petkov
2016-12-01 10:07       ` Thomas Gleixner
2016-12-01 11:15         ` [PATCH] x86/CPU: Add X86_FEATURE_CPUID Borislav Petkov
2016-12-01 17:00           ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-12-02  0:33       ` [PATCH 2/4] Revert "x86/boot: Fail the boot if !M486 and CPUID is missing" Andy Lutomirski
2016-12-01 17:00     ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-11-30 20:34 ` [PATCH 3/4] x86/microcode/intel: Replace sync_core() with cpuid_eax(1) Andy Lutomirski
2016-12-01  9:11   ` Borislav Petkov
2016-11-30 20:34 ` [PATCH 4/4] x86/asm: Change sync_core() to use MOV to CR2 to serialize Andy Lutomirski
2016-12-01  9:22   ` Borislav Petkov
2016-12-01 17:08     ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-12-01 17:46       ` Andrew Cooper
2016-12-02  7:34     ` Ingo Molnar
2016-12-02  0:34 ` [PATCH v2 0/6] CPUID-less CPU/sync_core fixes and improvements Andy Lutomirski
2016-12-02  0:34   ` [PATCH v2 1/6] x86/asm/32: Make sync_core() handle missing CPUID on all 32-bit kernels Andy Lutomirski
2016-12-02  0:34   ` [PATCH v2 2/6] Revert "x86/boot: Fail the boot if !M486 and CPUID is missing" Andy Lutomirski
2016-12-02  0:34   ` [PATCH v2 3/6] x86/microcode/intel: Replace sync_core() with cpuid_eax(1) Andy Lutomirski
2016-12-02  0:35   ` [PATCH v2 4/6] x86/paravirt: Make sync_core() be a paravirt op Andy Lutomirski
2016-12-02  0:35   ` [PATCH v2 5/6] x86/xen: Add a Xen-specific sync_core() implementation Andy Lutomirski
2016-12-02 11:44     ` Andrew Cooper
2016-12-02 11:44     ` Andrew Cooper
2016-12-02 17:07       ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-12-02 17:07       ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-12-02 17:16         ` Andrew Cooper [this message]
2016-12-02 17:16         ` Andrew Cooper
2016-12-02 17:23           ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-12-02 17:26             ` Andrew Cooper
2016-12-02 17:26             ` Andrew Cooper
2016-12-02 17:23           ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-12-02 18:50       ` Boris Ostrovsky
2016-12-02 18:50       ` Boris Ostrovsky
2016-12-02 19:34         ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-12-02 19:34         ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-12-02 20:09       ` Boris Ostrovsky
2016-12-02 20:09         ` Boris Ostrovsky
2016-12-02 17:32     ` Linus Torvalds
2016-12-02 17:38       ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-12-02 17:53         ` Linus Torvalds
2016-12-02 18:03         ` Borislav Petkov
2016-12-02 18:27           ` Linus Torvalds
2016-12-02 18:50             ` Borislav Petkov
2016-12-02 19:03               ` Linus Torvalds
2016-12-02 19:20                 ` Borislav Petkov
2016-12-02 19:24                   ` Linus Torvalds
2016-12-02 19:28                     ` Borislav Petkov
2016-12-03 15:02                       ` [PATCH] x86/alternatives: Do not use sync_core() to serialize I$ Borislav Petkov
2016-12-03 17:05                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-12-20  7:58                         ` [tip:x86/urgent] " tip-bot for Borislav Petkov
2016-12-20  9:35                         ` tip-bot for Borislav Petkov
2016-12-02 19:30                     ` [PATCH v2 5/6] x86/xen: Add a Xen-specific sync_core() implementation Andy Lutomirski
2016-12-02 19:35                       ` Linus Torvalds
2016-12-02 20:41                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-12-02 21:10                           ` Linus Torvalds
2016-12-02 22:55                             ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-12-02 23:09                               ` Linus Torvalds
2016-12-02 19:23                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-12-02 19:30                   ` Borislav Petkov
2016-12-03 12:44         ` Borislav Petkov
2016-12-02  0:35   ` [PATCH v2 6/6] x86/asm: Change sync_core() to use MOV to CR2 to serialize Andy Lutomirski
2016-12-02  0:36 ` [PATCH 0/4] CPUID-less CPU fixes and improvements Andy Lutomirski
2016-12-02 10:17   ` Ingo Molnar

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