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From: Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito <eesposit@redhat.com>
To: Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>
Cc: Fam Zheng <fam@euphon.net>, Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>,
	Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy <vsementsov@virtuozzo.com>,
	qemu-block@nongnu.org, qemu-devel@nongnu.org,
	Hanna Reitz <hreitz@redhat.com>,
	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>, John Snow <jsnow@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/5] Removal of AioContext lock, bs->parents and ->children: proof of concept
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2022 17:23:08 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <e9eeec7b-d03e-5e8e-cc42-568c670726ca@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <af53599c-c7de-d2b8-00fa-0e7d28121251@redhat.com>



Am 09/03/2022 um 14:26 schrieb Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito:
>>> * Drains allow the caller (either main loop or iothread running
>>> the context) to wait all in_flights requests and operations
>>> of a BDS: normal drains target a given node and is parents, while
>>> subtree ones also include the subgraph of the node. Siblings are
>>> not affected by any of these two kind of drains.
>> Siblings are drained to the extent required for their parent node to
>> reach in_flight == 0.
>>
>> I haven't checked the code but I guess the case you're alluding to is
>> that siblings with multiple parents could have other I/O in flight that
>> will not be drained and further I/O can be submitted after the parent
>> has drained?
> Yes, this in theory can happen. I don't really know if this happens
> practically, and how likely is to happen.
> 
> The alternative would be to make a drain that blocks the whole graph,
> siblings included, but that would probably be an overkill.
> 

So I have thought about this, and I think maybe this is not a concrete
problem.
Suppose we have a graph where "parent" has 2 children: "child" and
"sibling". "sibling" also has a blockjob.

Now, main loop wants to modify parent-child relation and maybe detach
child from parent.

1st wrong assumption: the sibling is not drained. Actually my strategy
takes into account draining both nodes, also because parent could be in
another graph. Therefore sibling is drained.

But let's assume "sibling" is the sibling of the parent.

Therefore we have
"child" -> "parent" -> "grandparent"
and
"blockjob" -> "sibling" -> "grandparent"

The issue is the following: main loop can't drain "sibling", because
subtree_drained does not reach it. Therefore blockjob can still run
while main loop modifies "child" -> "parent". Blockjob can either:
1) drain, but this won't affect "child" -> "parent"
2) read the graph in other ways different from drain, for example
.set_aio_context recursively touches the whole graph.
3) write the graph.

3) can be only performed in the main loop, because it's a graph
operation. It means that the blockjob runs when the graph modifying
coroutine/bh is not running. They never run together.
The safety of this operation relies on where the drains are and will be
inserted. If you do like in my patch "block.c:
bdrv_replace_child_noperm: first call ->attach(), and then add child\x0f",
then we would have problem, because we drain between two writes, and the
blockjob will find an inconsistent graph. If we do it as we seem to do
it so far, then we won't really have any problem.

2) is a read, and can theoretically be performed by another thread. But
is there a function that does that? .set_aio_context for example is a GS
function, so we will fall back to case 3) and nothing bad would happen.

Is there a counter example for this?

-----------

Talking about something else, I discussed with Kevin what *seems* to be
an alternative way to do this, instead of adding drains everywhere.
His idea is to replicate what blk_wait_while_drained() currently does
but on a larger scale. It is something in between this subtree_drains
logic and a rwlock.

Basically if I understood correctly, we could implement
bdrv_wait_while_drained(), and put in all places where we would put a
read lock: all the reads to ->parents and ->children.
This function detects if the bdrv is under drain, and if so it will stop
and wait that the drain finishes (ie the graph modification).
On the other side, each write would just need to drain probably both
nodes (simple drain), to signal that we are modifying the graph. Once
bdrv_drained_begin() finishes, we are sure all coroutines are stopped.
Once bdrv_drained_end() finishes, we automatically let all coroutine
restart, and continue where they left off.

Seems a good compromise between drains and rwlock. What do you think?

I am not sure how painful it will be to implement though.

Thank you,
Emanuele



  parent reply	other threads:[~2022-03-17 16:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-03-01 14:21 [RFC PATCH 0/5] Removal of AioContext lock, bs->parents and ->children: proof of concept Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2022-03-01 14:21 ` [RFC PATCH 1/5] aio-wait.h: introduce AIO_WAIT_WHILE_UNLOCKED Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2022-03-02 16:21   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2022-03-01 14:21 ` [RFC PATCH 2/5] introduce BDRV_POLL_WHILE_UNLOCKED Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2022-03-02 16:22   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2022-03-09 13:49   ` Eric Blake
2022-03-01 14:21 ` [RFC PATCH 3/5] block/io.c: introduce bdrv_subtree_drained_{begin/end}_unlocked Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2022-03-02 16:25   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2022-03-01 14:21 ` [RFC PATCH 4/5] child_job_drained_poll: override polling condition only when in home thread Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2022-03-02 16:37   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2022-03-01 14:21 ` [RFC PATCH 5/5] test-bdrv-drain: ensure draining from main loop stops iothreads Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2022-03-01 14:26 ` [RFC PATCH 0/5] Removal of AioContext lock, bs->parents and ->children: proof of concept Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2022-03-02  9:47 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2022-03-09 13:26   ` Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2022-03-10 15:54     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2022-03-17 16:23     ` Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito [this message]
2022-03-30 10:53       ` Hanna Reitz
2022-03-30 11:55         ` Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2022-03-30 14:12           ` Hanna Reitz
2022-03-30 16:02         ` Paolo Bonzini
2022-03-31  9:59           ` Paolo Bonzini
2022-03-31 13:51             ` Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2022-03-31 16:40               ` Paolo Bonzini
2022-04-01  8:05                 ` Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2022-04-01 11:01                   ` Paolo Bonzini
2022-04-04  9:25                     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2022-04-04  9:41                       ` Paolo Bonzini
2022-04-04  9:51                         ` Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2022-04-04 10:07                           ` Paolo Bonzini
2022-04-05  9:39                         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2022-04-05 10:43                         ` Kevin Wolf
2022-04-13 13:43                     ` Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2022-04-13 14:51                       ` Kevin Wolf
2022-04-13 15:14                         ` Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2022-04-13 15:22                           ` Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2022-04-13 16:29                           ` Kevin Wolf
2022-04-13 20:43                             ` Paolo Bonzini
2022-04-13 20:46                         ` Paolo Bonzini
2022-03-02 11:07 ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2022-03-02 16:20   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2022-03-09 13:26   ` Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2022-03-16 21:55     ` Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2022-03-21 12:22       ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2022-03-21 15:24     ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2022-03-21 15:44     ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2022-03-30  9:09       ` Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2022-03-30  9:52         ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2022-03-30  9:58           ` Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2022-04-05 10:55             ` Kevin Wolf

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