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From: Chris Worley <worleys@gmail.com>
To: LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org
Subject: RE: zero out blocks of freed user data for operation a virtual  machine environment
Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 11:26:15 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <f3177b9e0905251026u54d6b1e0s884dbdedf74b17cd@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f3177b9e0905251023n762b815akace1ae34e643458e@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 7:14 AM, Goswin von Brederlow <goswin-v-b@web.de> wrote:
> Thomas Glanzmann <thomas@glanzmann.de> writes:
> > Hello Ted,
> >
> >> Yes, it does, sb_issue_discard().  So if you wanted to hook into this
> >> routine with a function which issued calls to zero out blocks, it
> >> would be easy to create a private patch.
> >
> > that sounds good because it wouldn't only target the most used
> > filesystem but every other filesystem that uses the interface as well.
> > Do you think that a tunable or configurable patch has a chance to hit
> > upstream as well?
> >
> >         Thomas
>
> I could imagine a device mapper target that eats TRIM commands and
> writes out zeroes instead. That should be easy to maintain outside or
> inside the upstream kernel source.

Why bother with a time-consuming performance-draining operation?
There are devices that already support TRIM/discard commands today,
and once you discard a block, it's completely irretrievable (you'll
just get back zeros if you try to read that block w/o writing it after
the discard).

Chris
>
>
> MfG
>        Goswin

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From: Chris Worley <worleys@gmail.com>
To: LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org
Subject: RE: zero out blocks of freed user data for operation a virtual machine environment
Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 11:26:15 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <f3177b9e0905251026u54d6b1e0s884dbdedf74b17cd@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f3177b9e0905251023n762b815akace1ae34e643458e@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 7:14 AM, Goswin von Brederlow <goswin-v-b@web.de> wrote:
> Thomas Glanzmann <thomas@glanzmann.de> writes:
> > Hello Ted,
> >
> >> Yes, it does, sb_issue_discard().  So if you wanted to hook into this
> >> routine with a function which issued calls to zero out blocks, it
> >> would be easy to create a private patch.
> >
> > that sounds good because it wouldn't only target the most used
> > filesystem but every other filesystem that uses the interface as well.
> > Do you think that a tunable or configurable patch has a chance to hit
> > upstream as well?
> >
> >         Thomas
>
> I could imagine a device mapper target that eats TRIM commands and
> writes out zeroes instead. That should be easy to maintain outside or
> inside the upstream kernel source.

Why bother with a time-consuming performance-draining operation?
There are devices that already support TRIM/discard commands today,
and once you discard a block, it's completely irretrievable (you'll
just get back zeros if you try to read that block w/o writing it after
the discard).

Chris
>
>
> MfG
>        Goswin
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-05-25 17:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-05-24 17:00 zero out blocks of freed user data for operation a virtual machine environment Thomas Glanzmann
2009-05-24 17:15 ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-05-24 17:39   ` Thomas Glanzmann
2009-05-25 12:03     ` Theodore Tso
2009-05-25 12:34       ` Thomas Glanzmann
2009-05-25 13:14         ` Goswin von Brederlow
2009-05-25 14:01           ` Thomas Glanzmann
     [not found]           ` <f3177b9e0905251023n762b815akace1ae34e643458e@mail.gmail.com>
2009-05-25 17:26             ` Chris Worley [this message]
2009-05-25 17:26               ` Chris Worley
2009-05-26 10:22             ` Goswin von Brederlow
2009-05-26 10:22               ` Goswin von Brederlow
2009-05-26 16:52               ` Chris Worley
2009-05-26 16:52                 ` Chris Worley
2009-05-28 19:27                 ` Goswin von Brederlow
2009-05-28 19:27                   ` Goswin von Brederlow
2009-05-25  3:29 ` David Newall
2009-05-25  5:26   ` Thomas Glanzmann
2009-05-25  7:48 ` Ron Yorston
2009-05-25 10:50   ` Thomas Glanzmann
2009-05-25 12:06 ` Theodore Tso
2009-05-25 21:19 ` Bill Davidsen
2009-05-26  4:45   ` Thomas Glanzmann

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