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From: "Björn Töpel" <bjorn.topel@intel.com>
To: "Toke Høiland-Jørgensen" <toke@redhat.com>,
	"Maciej Fijalkowski" <maciej.fijalkowski@intel.com>,
	daniel@iogearbox.net, ast@kernel.org, bpf@vger.kernel.org,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org
Cc: andrii@kernel.org, magnus.karlsson@intel.com, ciara.loftus@intel.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH bpf-next 1/3] libbpf: xsk: use bpf_link
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2021 18:38:46 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <fe0c957e-d212-4265-a271-ba301c3c5eca@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87eehhcl9x.fsf@toke.dk>

On 2021-02-15 18:07, Toke Høiland-Jørgensen wrote:
> Maciej Fijalkowski <maciej.fijalkowski@intel.com> writes:
> 
>> Currently, if there are multiple xdpsock instances running on a single
>> interface and in case one of the instances is terminated, the rest of
>> them are left in an inoperable state due to the fact of unloaded XDP
>> prog from interface.
>>
>> To address that, step away from setting bpf prog in favour of bpf_link.
>> This means that refcounting of BPF resources will be done automatically
>> by bpf_link itself.
>>
>> When setting up BPF resources during xsk socket creation, check whether
>> bpf_link for a given ifindex already exists via set of calls to
>> bpf_link_get_next_id -> bpf_link_get_fd_by_id -> bpf_obj_get_info_by_fd
>> and comparing the ifindexes from bpf_link and xsk socket.
> 
> One consideration here is that bpf_link_get_fd_by_id() is a privileged
> operation (privileged as in CAP_SYS_ADMIN), so this has the side effect
> of making AF_XDP privileged as well. Is that the intention?
>

We're already using, e.g., bpf_map_get_fd_by_id() which has that
as well. So we're assuming that for XDP setup already!

> Another is that the AF_XDP code is in the process of moving to libxdp
> (see in-progress PR [0]), and this approach won't carry over as-is to
> that model, because libxdp has to pin the bpf_link fds.
>

I was assuming there were two modes of operations for AF_XDP in libxdp.
One which is with the multi-program support (which AFAIK is why the
pinning is required), and one "like the current libbpf" one. For the
latter Maciej's series would be a good fit, no?

> However, in libxdp we can solve the original problem in a different way,
> and in fact I already suggested to Magnus that we should do this (see
> [1]); so one way forward could be to address it during the merge in
> libxdp? It should be possible to address the original issue (two
> instances of xdpsock breaking each other when they exit), but
> applications will still need to do an explicit unload operation before
> exiting (i.e., the automatic detach on bpf_link fd closure will take
> more work, and likely require extending the bpf_link kernel support)...
>

I'd say it's depending on the libbpf 1.0/libxdp merge timeframe. If
we're months ahead, then I'd really like to see this in libbpf until the
merge. However, I'll leave that for Magnus/you to decide!

Bottom line; I'd *really* like bpf_link behavior (process scoped) for
AF_XDP sooner than later! ;-)


Thanks for the input!
Björn


> -Toke
> 
> [0] https://github.com/xdp-project/xdp-tools/pull/92
> [1] https://github.com/xdp-project/xdp-tools/pull/92#discussion_r576204719
> 

  reply	other threads:[~2021-02-15 17:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-02-15 15:46 [PATCH bpf-next 0/3] Introduce bpf_link in libbpf's xsk Maciej Fijalkowski
2021-02-15 15:46 ` [PATCH bpf-next 1/3] libbpf: xsk: use bpf_link Maciej Fijalkowski
2021-02-15 17:07   ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2021-02-15 17:38     ` Björn Töpel [this message]
2021-02-15 19:35       ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2021-02-16  2:01         ` Maciej Fijalkowski
2021-02-16  9:15           ` Björn Töpel
2021-02-16 10:27           ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2021-02-16 20:15             ` Maciej Fijalkowski
2021-02-15 20:22       ` John Fastabend
2021-02-15 21:38         ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2021-02-16  0:18           ` John Fastabend
2021-02-16  2:23             ` Maciej Fijalkowski
2021-02-16  9:23               ` Björn Töpel
2021-02-16 10:36             ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2021-02-23  1:15               ` Andrii Nakryiko
2021-02-17  2:23           ` Dan Siemon
2021-02-17  7:16             ` Magnus Karlsson
2021-02-17  7:36               ` Magnus Karlsson
2021-02-16  2:10         ` Maciej Fijalkowski
2021-02-15 20:49   ` John Fastabend
2021-02-16  2:38     ` Maciej Fijalkowski
2021-02-16 18:19       ` John Fastabend
2021-02-16 20:10         ` Maciej Fijalkowski
2021-02-16  9:20     ` Björn Töpel
2021-02-16 10:39       ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2021-02-16 19:15         ` John Fastabend
2021-02-16 20:50           ` Maciej Fijalkowski
2021-02-16 21:17             ` John Fastabend
2021-02-15 15:46 ` [PATCH bpf-next 2/3] libbpf: clear map_info before each bpf_obj_get_info_by_fd Maciej Fijalkowski
2021-02-15 20:33   ` John Fastabend
2021-02-16  2:42     ` Maciej Fijalkowski
2021-02-15 15:46 ` [PATCH bpf-next 3/3] samples: bpf: do not unload prog within xdpsock Maciej Fijalkowski
2021-02-15 20:24   ` John Fastabend
2021-02-16  9:22     ` Björn Töpel
2021-02-16 14:15       ` Maciej Fijalkowski
2021-02-15 16:07 ` [PATCH bpf-next 0/3] Introduce bpf_link in libbpf's xsk Björn Töpel

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