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From: ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman)
To: Eric Paris <eparis@parisplace.org>
Cc: Amerigo Wang <amwang@redhat.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, kexec@lists.infradead.org,
	eparis@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [Patch] kexec_load: check CAP_SYS_MODULE
Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2011 12:10:44 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m1k4igjwzf.fsf@fess.ebiederm.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinLhAuSny735kofonAkaqwJvjjDHMUed_r03rVc@mail.gmail.com> (Eric Paris's message of "Thu, 6 Jan 2011 14:02:47 -0500")

Eric Paris <eparis@parisplace.org> writes:

> On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 3:47 AM, Eric W. Biederman <ebiederm@xmission.com> wrote:
>> Amerigo Wang <amwang@redhat.com> writes:
>>
>>> Eric pointed out that kexec_load() actually allows you to
>>> run any code you want in ring0, this is more like CAP_SYS_MODULE.
>>
>> Let me get this straight you want to make the permission checks
>> less stringent by allowing either CAP_SYS_MODULE or CAP_SYS_BOOT?
>
> Nope, read my patch again.  It actually requires BOTH of them.

Ah right.  Testing the negative and going to -EPERM.

>> CAP_SYS_BOOT is the correct capability.  Sure you can run any
>> code but only after rebooting.  I don't see how this differs
>> from any other reboot scenario.
>
> The difference is that after a reboot the bootloader and the system
> control what code is run.  kexec_load() immediately runs the new
> kernel which is not controlled by the bootloader or by the system.
> Imagine a situation where the bootloader and the /boot directory are
> RO (enforced by hardware).   kexec_load() would let you run any kernel
> code you want on the box whereas reboot would not.

The scenario is imaginable (not common but imaginable) but I don't see
how requiring CAP_SYS_MODULE makes anything better.

If I was building a configuration where I didn't want anyone to be able
to direct the kernel into a different state by locking down the
bootloaders I expect I would compile out the syscall as well.

Most bootloaders have the option of booting something else the mechanism
is just different. I really don't see what the addition of
CAP_SYS_MODULE gains you.

Right now CAP_SYS_BOOT still makes sense to me and CAP_SYS_MODULE stills
seems like nonsense in this context.

Eric

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From: ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman)
To: Eric Paris <eparis@parisplace.org>
Cc: kexec@lists.infradead.org, Amerigo Wang <amwang@redhat.com>,
	eparis@redhat.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [Patch] kexec_load: check CAP_SYS_MODULE
Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2011 12:10:44 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m1k4igjwzf.fsf@fess.ebiederm.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinLhAuSny735kofonAkaqwJvjjDHMUed_r03rVc@mail.gmail.com> (Eric Paris's message of "Thu, 6 Jan 2011 14:02:47 -0500")

Eric Paris <eparis@parisplace.org> writes:

> On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 3:47 AM, Eric W. Biederman <ebiederm@xmission.com> wrote:
>> Amerigo Wang <amwang@redhat.com> writes:
>>
>>> Eric pointed out that kexec_load() actually allows you to
>>> run any code you want in ring0, this is more like CAP_SYS_MODULE.
>>
>> Let me get this straight you want to make the permission checks
>> less stringent by allowing either CAP_SYS_MODULE or CAP_SYS_BOOT?
>
> Nope, read my patch again.  It actually requires BOTH of them.

Ah right.  Testing the negative and going to -EPERM.

>> CAP_SYS_BOOT is the correct capability.  Sure you can run any
>> code but only after rebooting.  I don't see how this differs
>> from any other reboot scenario.
>
> The difference is that after a reboot the bootloader and the system
> control what code is run.  kexec_load() immediately runs the new
> kernel which is not controlled by the bootloader or by the system.
> Imagine a situation where the bootloader and the /boot directory are
> RO (enforced by hardware).   kexec_load() would let you run any kernel
> code you want on the box whereas reboot would not.

The scenario is imaginable (not common but imaginable) but I don't see
how requiring CAP_SYS_MODULE makes anything better.

If I was building a configuration where I didn't want anyone to be able
to direct the kernel into a different state by locking down the
bootloaders I expect I would compile out the syscall as well.

Most bootloaders have the option of booting something else the mechanism
is just different. I really don't see what the addition of
CAP_SYS_MODULE gains you.

Right now CAP_SYS_BOOT still makes sense to me and CAP_SYS_MODULE stills
seems like nonsense in this context.

Eric

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  reply	other threads:[~2011-01-07 20:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-01-06  8:25 [Patch] kexec_load: check CAP_SYS_MODULE Amerigo Wang
2011-01-06  8:25 ` Amerigo Wang
2011-01-06  8:27 ` Cong Wang
2011-01-06  8:27   ` Cong Wang
2011-01-06  8:47 ` Eric W. Biederman
2011-01-06  8:47   ` Eric W. Biederman
2011-01-06 19:02   ` Eric Paris
2011-01-06 19:02     ` Eric Paris
2011-01-07 20:10     ` Eric W. Biederman [this message]
2011-01-07 20:10       ` Eric W. Biederman
2011-01-07 20:32       ` Eric Paris
2011-01-07 20:32         ` Eric Paris
2011-01-07 21:02         ` Eric W. Biederman
2011-01-07 21:02           ` Eric W. Biederman
2011-01-08  0:39           ` Eric Paris
2011-01-08  0:39             ` Eric Paris
2011-01-09  2:09             ` Eric W. Biederman
2011-01-09  2:09               ` Eric W. Biederman
2011-01-11 11:26               ` Cong Wang
2011-01-11 11:26                 ` Cong Wang
2011-01-14 19:47               ` Eric Paris
2011-01-14 19:47                 ` Eric Paris

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