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From: Krzysztof Halasa <khc@pm.waw.pl>
To: Maxim Levitsky <maximlevitsky@gmail.com>
Cc: Jarod Wilson <jarod@wilsonet.com>,
	Dmitry Torokhov <dmitry.torokhov@gmail.com>,
	Mauro Carvalho Chehab <mchehab@redhat.com>,
	Jarod Wilson <jarod@redhat.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Mario Limonciello <superm1@ubuntu.com>,
	linux-input@vger.kernel.org, linux-media@vger.kernel.org,
	Janne Grunau <j@jannau.net>,
	Christoph Bartelmus <lirc@bartelmus.de>
Subject: Re: IR raw input is not sutable for input system
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 18:12:44 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m38wdu7ckz.fsf@intrepid.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1259105571.28219.20.camel@maxim-laptop> (Maxim Levitsky's message of "Wed, 25 Nov 2009 01:32:51 +0200")

Maxim Levitsky <maximlevitsky@gmail.com> writes:

> There are many protocols,

Few of them really popular.

> There are many receivers, and all have different accuracy.

Receivers? Accuracy? What do you mean exactly?

> Most remotes aren't designed to be used with PC, thus user has to invent
> mapping between buttons and actions.

Of course. You can't change that. Being designed to be used with PC is
not relevant.

> Its is not possible to identify remotes accurately, many remotes send
> just a 8 bit integer that specifies the 'model' thus many remotes can
> share it.

I have never seen a remote that sends "model" number.
But I admit I only used few universal (including programmable) and few
simple bundled remotes.

> Some don't send anything.

How do they communicate with the receiver?

> There are some weird remotes that send whole packet of data will all
> kind of states.

Of course. This is called "encoding".

> Think about it, video capture device is also an input device, a scanner
> is an input device too, sound card can work as input device too.

But their primary function isn't passing keystrokes, is it?

> Kernel job is to take the information from device and present it to
> userspace using uniform format, that is kernel does 1:1 translating, but
> doesn't parse the data.

Why do you think so?
This is less efficient, and more complicated. And would require
incompatible changes to drivers already in the kernel. Keyword:
"regression".

> lirc is well capable to decode it, and its not hard to add
> auto-detection based on existing configuration drivers, so IR devices
> will work with absolutely no configuration.

Really? You don't know what you're talking about. Forget this idea,
there is absolutely no way to use this without prior configuration. You
can get as far as suggesting default "bundled" model, if there was
something bundled with the receiver of course.

> Then as soon as you press a key, lirc can scan its config database, and
> find a config file to use.

Forget it.

> Also don't forget that there are pure userspace drivers. They won't have
> access to in-kernel decoder so they will still have to parse protocols,
> so will have code duplication, and will still need lirc thus.

This is not a problem. BTW I have nothing against lirc. It can get
keystrokes from input layer. That's the way I use it in fact.
-- 
Krzysztof Halasa

  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-11-25 17:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 248+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-10-20 13:56 [PATCH 0/3 v2] linux infrared remote control drivers Jarod Wilson
2009-10-20 13:58 ` [PATCH 1/3 v2] lirc core device driver infrastructure Jarod Wilson
2009-11-23 11:47   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-11-23 12:36     ` [RFC] Should we create a raw input interface for IR's ? - Was: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-11-23 14:14       ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-23 15:20         ` Devin Heitmueller
2009-11-23 15:20           ` Devin Heitmueller
2009-11-23 16:53           ` James Mastros
2009-11-23 16:53             ` James Mastros
2009-11-23 20:09             ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-23 17:05           ` James Mastros
2009-11-23 17:05             ` James Mastros
2009-11-23 17:12             ` Devin Heitmueller
2009-11-23 17:12               ` Devin Heitmueller
2009-11-23 17:12               ` Devin Heitmueller
2009-11-23 17:50             ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-11-23 20:14               ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-23 16:19         ` Stefan Richter
2009-11-23 17:39           ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-11-23 20:23             ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-26 12:16               ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-11-26 18:18                 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-26 19:06                   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-11-28  2:39                     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-11-28  2:54                       ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-11-28  9:43                         ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-11-28 10:31                           ` Stefan Richter
2009-11-28 10:43                           ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-11-23 17:29         ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-11-23 19:17           ` Jarod Wilson
2009-11-23 20:46             ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-23 21:10             ` Christoph Bartelmus
2009-11-23 21:10               ` Christoph Bartelmus
2009-11-24  4:18               ` Jarod Wilson
2009-11-23 20:41           ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-26 12:36             ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-11-26 13:22               ` Andy Walls
2009-11-26 18:24               ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-26 19:08                 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-11-26 20:33                   ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-26 21:05                     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-11-26 21:27                       ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-26 22:07                         ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-11-27  0:19                           ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-27  0:34                             ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-11-26 23:14                         ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-11-26 23:10                       ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-11-26 22:59                   ` Trent Piepho
2009-11-27  0:45                     ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-27  2:50                     ` hermann pitton
2009-11-26 20:37               ` Christoph Bartelmus
2009-11-26 20:37                 ` Christoph Bartelmus
2009-11-26 20:59                 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-11-26 22:05                   ` Christoph Bartelmus
2009-11-26 22:05                     ` Christoph Bartelmus
2009-11-26 22:14                     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-11-26 23:09                   ` Trent Piepho
2009-11-23 17:37         ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-11-23 20:51           ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-26  5:21             ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-11-26 17:46               ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-26 17:50                 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-11-26 21:39                 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-11-27  0:13                   ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-27  0:13                     ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-27  0:26                     ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-11-27  0:37                       ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-27  0:37                         ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-24  4:37           ` Jarod Wilson
2009-11-24 23:32             ` IR raw input is not sutable for input system Maxim Levitsky
2009-11-25  3:32               ` Trent Piepho
2009-11-25 13:28                 ` Maxim Levitsky
2009-11-25 21:32                   ` Sean Young
2009-11-25 22:30                     ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-25 22:52                       ` Maxim Levitsky
2009-11-26 18:36                         ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-25 17:18                 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-26  5:41                 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-11-25 17:12               ` Krzysztof Halasa [this message]
2009-11-26  5:38               ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-11-26  5:31             ` [RFC] Should we create a raw input interface for IR's ? - Was: Re: [PATCH 1/3 v2] lirc core device driver infrastructure Dmitry Torokhov
2009-11-26  6:16               ` Jarod Wilson
2009-11-26  6:16                 ` Jarod Wilson
2009-11-26 16:07                 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-11-26 23:23                 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-11-27  2:28                   ` Jarod Wilson
2009-11-27  3:08                     ` Jon Smirl
2009-11-27  3:08                       ` Jon Smirl
2009-11-27  3:08                       ` Jon Smirl
2009-11-27  4:33                       ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-11-27  4:33                         ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-11-27  5:06                         ` Jon Smirl
2009-11-27  5:06                           ` Jon Smirl
2009-11-27  7:33                           ` Christoph Bartelmus
2009-11-27  7:33                             ` Christoph Bartelmus
2009-11-27 15:33                             ` Jon Smirl
2009-11-27 15:33                               ` Jon Smirl
2009-11-27 15:33                               ` Jon Smirl
2009-11-30  5:01                           ` Jarod Wilson
2009-11-27  4:30                     ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-11-23 21:11         ` Christoph Bartelmus
2009-11-23 21:11           ` Christoph Bartelmus
2009-11-23 21:46           ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-23 21:46             ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-23 21:54             ` Devin Heitmueller
2009-11-23 21:54               ` Devin Heitmueller
2009-11-23 22:31               ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-23 22:37                 ` Devin Heitmueller
2009-11-23 22:37                   ` Devin Heitmueller
2009-11-23 22:53                   ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-12-12 22:04                 ` david
2009-11-24  1:14             ` Andy Walls
2009-11-26 13:25               ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-11-26 13:48                 ` Andy Walls
2009-11-26 16:35                   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-11-24  0:53           ` Andy Walls
2009-11-24 13:32             ` Jarod Wilson
2009-11-24 13:32               ` Jarod Wilson
2009-11-25 16:53               ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-25 17:20                 ` Christoph Bartelmus
2009-11-25 17:20                   ` Christoph Bartelmus
2009-11-25 17:40                   ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-25 17:40                     ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-25 18:07                     ` Jarod Wilson
2009-11-25 18:07                       ` Jarod Wilson
2009-11-25 18:20                       ` Devin Heitmueller
2009-11-25 18:20                         ` Devin Heitmueller
2009-11-25 18:43                         ` [RFC] Should we create a raw input interface for IR's ? Jarod Wilson
2009-11-25 20:49                           ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-26  5:53                             ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-11-26 18:40                               ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-26 23:28                                 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-11-27  0:28                                   ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-25 20:47                         ` [RFC] Should we create a raw input interface for IR's ? - Was: Re: [PATCH 1/3 v2] lirc core device driver infrastructure Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-25 21:58                         ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-11-25 22:31                           ` Christoph Bartelmus
2009-11-25 22:31                             ` Christoph Bartelmus
2009-11-25 23:22                             ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-11-26  7:28                               ` Christoph Bartelmus
2009-11-26  7:28                                 ` Christoph Bartelmus
2009-11-26  8:39                                 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-11-26 16:41                               ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-26  4:26                           ` Andy Walls
2009-11-26 14:45                           ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-11-26 15:48                             ` Jon Smirl
2009-11-26 15:48                               ` Jon Smirl
2009-11-26 15:48                               ` Jon Smirl
2009-11-26 16:03                               ` Jon Smirl
2009-11-26 16:03                                 ` Jon Smirl
2009-11-26 23:45                           ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-11-26  3:50                         ` Andy Walls
2009-11-25 20:44                       ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-25 20:44                         ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-26  3:31                       ` Andy Walls
2009-11-26  4:00                         ` hermann pitton
2009-11-26  5:41                         ` Jarod Wilson
2009-11-26 14:28                       ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-11-25 17:44                 ` Jarod Wilson
2009-11-25 19:27                   ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-26  4:46                     ` Jarod Wilson
2009-11-26  8:01                   ` Christoph Bartelmus
2009-11-26  8:01                     ` Christoph Bartelmus
2009-11-26  8:08                     ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-11-26 16:25                     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-11-26 18:13                       ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-26 18:55                         ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-11-26 20:28                           ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-26 21:28                             ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-11-27  7:45                       ` Christoph Bartelmus
2009-11-27  7:45                         ` Christoph Bartelmus
2009-11-26 13:54               ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-11-26 17:32                 ` Jarod Wilson
2009-11-26 17:49                   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-11-26 17:49                     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-11-26 23:50                     ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-11-27  1:45                       ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-11-25 16:45             ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-26 14:05               ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-11-26 19:43                 ` Andy Walls
2009-12-07 18:19                   ` Jarod Wilson
2009-12-07 23:02                     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-12-08  2:42                     ` Andy Walls
2009-12-08  4:22                       ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-12-08 11:44                         ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-12-08 14:13                           ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-12-08 14:25                             ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-12-08 17:06                           ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-12-08 12:35                         ` Andy Walls
2009-12-08 12:52                           ` Jon Smirl
2009-12-08 12:52                             ` Jon Smirl
2009-12-08 12:52                             ` Jon Smirl
2009-12-08 13:40                             ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-12-08 14:01                               ` Jon Smirl
2009-12-08 14:01                                 ` Jon Smirl
2009-12-08 14:01                                 ` Jon Smirl
2009-12-08 14:16                                 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-12-08 14:31                                   ` Jon Smirl
2009-12-08 14:31                                     ` Jon Smirl
2009-12-08 14:40                                     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-12-08 16:19                                       ` Jon Smirl
2009-12-08 16:19                                         ` Jon Smirl
2009-12-08 16:19                                         ` Jon Smirl
2009-12-08 23:30                                         ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-12-09  0:04                                           ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-12-08 17:16                             ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-12-08 17:16                               ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-12-08 13:30                           ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-12-08 13:47                             ` Jon Smirl
2009-12-08 13:47                               ` Jon Smirl
2009-12-08 13:47                               ` Jon Smirl
2009-12-08 13:59                               ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-12-08 14:19                                 ` Jon Smirl
2009-12-08 14:19                                   ` Jon Smirl
2009-12-08 14:19                                   ` Jon Smirl
2009-12-08 14:34                                   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-12-08 15:56                                     ` Jon Smirl
2009-12-08 15:56                                       ` Jon Smirl
2009-12-08 15:56                                       ` Jon Smirl
2009-12-08 16:27                                       ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-12-08 18:15                                         ` Jon Smirl
2009-12-08 18:15                                           ` Jon Smirl
2009-12-08 18:15                                           ` Jon Smirl
2009-12-09  0:28                                           ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-12-08 16:22                                     ` Ferenc Wagner
2009-12-08 11:32                       ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-12-08 12:46                         ` Andy Walls
2009-12-08 17:19                           ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-12-09  0:07                             ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-11-26  5:49             ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-11-26  6:23               ` Jarod Wilson
2009-11-26  9:14                 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-11-26 17:15                   ` Jarod Wilson
2009-11-26 12:28                 ` Andy Walls
2009-11-26 13:17             ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-11-23 22:25       ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-24 23:23       ` Matthieu CASTET
2009-10-20 14:00 ` [PATCH 2/3 v2] lirc driver for Windows MCE IR transceivers Jarod Wilson
2009-11-13 20:43   ` Stefan Lippers-Hollmann
2009-11-15  6:55     ` Jarod Wilson
2009-11-23 12:46   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-10-20 14:00 ` [PATCH 3/3 v2] lirc driver for SoundGraph iMON IR receivers and displays Jarod Wilson
2009-11-23 12:58   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-11-24  4:31     ` Jarod Wilson
2009-11-04 22:56 ` [PATCH 0/3 v2] linux infrared remote control drivers Jarod Wilson
2009-11-05  0:07   ` Andy Walls
2009-11-05  3:28     ` Jarod Wilson
2009-11-05  0:31   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-11-05  3:41     ` Jarod Wilson

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