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* Understanding BTRFS RAID0 Performance
@ 2018-10-04 21:33 Wilson, Ellis
  2018-10-05  8:45 ` Nikolay Borisov
  2018-10-05 10:40 ` Duncan
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Wilson, Ellis @ 2018-10-04 21:33 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Btrfs BTRFS

Hi all,

I'm attempting to understand a roughly 30% degradation in BTRFS RAID0 
for large read I/Os across six disks compared with ext4 atop mdadm RAID0.

Specifically, I achieve performance parity with BTRFS in terms of 
single-threaded write and read, and multi-threaded write, but poor 
performance for multi-threaded read.  The relative discrepancy appears 
to grow as one adds disks.  At 6 disks in a RAID0 (yes, I know, and I do 
not care about data persistence as I have this solved at a different 
layer) I see approximately 1.3GB/s for ext4 atop mdadm, but only about 
950MB/s for BTRFS, both using four threads to read and write four 
different large files.  Across a large number of my nodes this 
aggregates to a sizable performance loss.

This has been a long and winding road for me, but to keep my question 
somewhat succinct, I'm down to the level of block tracing and one thing 
that stands out between the two traces is the number of rather small 
read I/O's that reach one of the drives in the test is vastly different 
for mdadm RAID0 vs BTRFS, which I think explains (in part at least) the 
performance drop off.  The read queue depth for BTRFS hovers in the 
upper single digits while the ext4/mdadm queue depth is towards 20.  I'm 
unsure right now if this is related or not.

Benchmark: FIO was used with the following command:
fio --name=read --rw=read --bs=1M --direct=0 --size=16G --numjobs=4 
--runtime=120 --group_reporting

The block sizes and counts of I/Os at that size I'm seeing for both 
cases comes in like the following (my max_segment_kb_size is 4K, hence 
the above typical upper-end):

BTRFS:
  Count  Read I/O Size
   21849 128
      18 640
       9 768
       3 1280
       9 1408
       3 2048
       3 2560
    1011 2688
     507 2816

ext4 on mdadm RAID0:
  Count  Read I/O Size
       9 8
       3 16
       5 256
       5 768
      19 1024
     716 1536
       5 1592
       5 2504
     695 2560
      24 4096
      21 6656
     477 8192

Before I dive into the BTRFS source or try tracing in a different way, I 
wanted to see if this was a well-known artifact of BTRFS RAID0 and, even 
better, if there's any tunables available for RAID0 in BTRFS I could 
play with.  The man page for mkfs.btrfs and btrfstune in the tuning 
regard seemed...sparse.

Any help or pointers are greatly appreciated!

Thanks,

ellis

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* Re: Understanding BTRFS RAID0 Performance
  2018-10-04 21:33 Understanding BTRFS RAID0 Performance Wilson, Ellis
@ 2018-10-05  8:45 ` Nikolay Borisov
  2018-10-05 10:40 ` Duncan
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Nikolay Borisov @ 2018-10-05  8:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Wilson, Ellis, Btrfs BTRFS



On  5.10.2018 00:33, Wilson, Ellis wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I'm attempting to understand a roughly 30% degradation in BTRFS RAID0 
> for large read I/Os across six disks compared with ext4 atop mdadm RAID0.
> 
> Specifically, I achieve performance parity with BTRFS in terms of 
> single-threaded write and read, and multi-threaded write, but poor 
> performance for multi-threaded read.  The relative discrepancy appears 
> to grow as one adds disks.  At 6 disks in a RAID0 (yes, I know, and I do 
> not care about data persistence as I have this solved at a different 
> layer) I see approximately 1.3GB/s for ext4 atop mdadm, but only about 
> 950MB/s for BTRFS, both using four threads to read and write four 
> different large files.  Across a large number of my nodes this 
> aggregates to a sizable performance loss.
> 
> This has been a long and winding road for me, but to keep my question 
> somewhat succinct, I'm down to the level of block tracing and one thing 
> that stands out between the two traces is the number of rather small 
> read I/O's that reach one of the drives in the test is vastly different 
> for mdadm RAID0 vs BTRFS, which I think explains (in part at least) the 
> performance drop off.  The read queue depth for BTRFS hovers in the 
> upper single digits while the ext4/mdadm queue depth is towards 20.  I'm 
> unsure right now if this is related or not.
> 
> Benchmark: FIO was used with the following command:
> fio --name=read --rw=read --bs=1M --direct=0 --size=16G --numjobs=4 
> --runtime=120 --group_reporting

Right, so you are doing sequential reads. Since btrfs uses
generic_read_file_iter as its read-related operations and what it just
calls btrfs_readpage which ends up in:

btrfs_readpage
  extent_read_full_page
   __extent_read_full_page
    __do_readpage
      submit_extent_page <- Here we have some code which is supposed to
detect contiguous bios detection and merging

So my first guess would be to instrument the code around the merging
logic and see if it works as expected and is able to merge the majority
of the bios.

> 
> The block sizes and counts of I/Os at that size I'm seeing for both 
> cases comes in like the following (my max_segment_kb_size is 4K, hence 
> the above typical upper-end):
> 
> BTRFS:
>   Count  Read I/O Size
>    21849 128
>       18 640
>        9 768
>        3 1280
>        9 1408
>        3 2048
>        3 2560
>     1011 2688
>      507 2816
> 
> ext4 on mdadm RAID0:
>   Count  Read I/O Size
>        9 8
>        3 16
>        5 256
>        5 768
>       19 1024
>      716 1536
>        5 1592
>        5 2504
>      695 2560
>       24 4096
>       21 6656
>      477 8192
> 
> Before I dive into the BTRFS source or try tracing in a different way, I 
> wanted to see if this was a well-known artifact of BTRFS RAID0 and, even 
> better, if there's any tunables available for RAID0 in BTRFS I could 
> play with.  The man page for mkfs.btrfs and btrfstune in the tuning 
> regard seemed...sparse.>
> Any help or pointers are greatly appreciated!>
> Thanks,
> 
> ellis
> 

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* Re: Understanding BTRFS RAID0 Performance
  2018-10-04 21:33 Understanding BTRFS RAID0 Performance Wilson, Ellis
  2018-10-05  8:45 ` Nikolay Borisov
@ 2018-10-05 10:40 ` Duncan
  2018-10-05 15:29   ` Wilson, Ellis
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Duncan @ 2018-10-05 10:40 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: linux-btrfs

Wilson, Ellis posted on Thu, 04 Oct 2018 21:33:29 +0000 as excerpted:

> Hi all,
> 
> I'm attempting to understand a roughly 30% degradation in BTRFS RAID0
> for large read I/Os across six disks compared with ext4 atop mdadm
> RAID0.
> 
> Specifically, I achieve performance parity with BTRFS in terms of
> single-threaded write and read, and multi-threaded write, but poor
> performance for multi-threaded read.  The relative discrepancy appears
> to grow as one adds disks.

[...]

> Before I dive into the BTRFS source or try tracing in a different way, I
> wanted to see if this was a well-known artifact of BTRFS RAID0 and, even
> better, if there's any tunables available for RAID0 in BTRFS I could
> play with.  The man page for mkfs.btrfs and btrfstune in the tuning
> regard seemed...sparse.

This is indeed well known for btrfs at this point, as it hasn't been 
multi-read-thread optimized yet.  I'm personally more familiar with the 
raid1 case, where which one of the two copies gets the read is simply 
even/odd-PID-based, but AFAIK raid0 isn't particularly optimized either.

The recommended workaround is (as you might expect) btrfs on top of 
mdraid.  In fact, while it doesn't apply to your case, btrfs raid1 on top 
of mdraid0s is often recommended as an alternative to btrfs raid10, as 
that gives you the best of both worlds -- the data and metadata integrity 
protection of btrfs checksums and fallback (with writeback of the correct 
version) to the other copy if the first copy read fails checksum 
verification, with the much better optimized mdraid0 performance.  So it 
stands to reason that the same recommendation would apply to raid0 -- 
just do single-mode btrfs on mdraid0, for better performance than the as 
yet unoptimized btrfs raid0.

-- 
Duncan - List replies preferred.   No HTML msgs.
"Every nonfree program has a lord, a master --
and if you use the program, he is your master."  Richard Stallman


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* Re: Understanding BTRFS RAID0 Performance
  2018-10-05 10:40 ` Duncan
@ 2018-10-05 15:29   ` Wilson, Ellis
  2018-10-06  0:34     ` Duncan
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Wilson, Ellis @ 2018-10-05 15:29 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Duncan, linux-btrfs

On 10/05/2018 06:40 AM, Duncan wrote:
> Wilson, Ellis posted on Thu, 04 Oct 2018 21:33:29 +0000 as excerpted:
> 
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I'm attempting to understand a roughly 30% degradation in BTRFS RAID0
>> for large read I/Os across six disks compared with ext4 atop mdadm
>> RAID0.
>>
>> Specifically, I achieve performance parity with BTRFS in terms of
>> single-threaded write and read, and multi-threaded write, but poor
>> performance for multi-threaded read.  The relative discrepancy appears
>> to grow as one adds disks.
> 
> [...]
> 
>> Before I dive into the BTRFS source or try tracing in a different way, I
>> wanted to see if this was a well-known artifact of BTRFS RAID0 and, even
>> better, if there's any tunables available for RAID0 in BTRFS I could
>> play with.  The man page for mkfs.btrfs and btrfstune in the tuning
>> regard seemed...sparse.
> 
> This is indeed well known for btrfs at this point, as it hasn't been
> multi-read-thread optimized yet.  I'm personally more familiar with the
> raid1 case, where which one of the two copies gets the read is simply
> even/odd-PID-based, but AFAIK raid0 isn't particularly optimized either.
> 
> The recommended workaround is (as you might expect) btrfs on top of
> mdraid.  In fact, while it doesn't apply to your case, btrfs raid1 on top
> of mdraid0s is often recommended as an alternative to btrfs raid10, as
> that gives you the best of both worlds -- the data and metadata integrity
> protection of btrfs checksums and fallback (with writeback of the correct
> version) to the other copy if the first copy read fails checksum
> verification, with the much better optimized mdraid0 performance.  So it
> stands to reason that the same recommendation would apply to raid0 --
> just do single-mode btrfs on mdraid0, for better performance than the as
> yet unoptimized btrfs raid0.

Thank you very much Duncan.  I failed to mention that I'd tried this 
before as well, but was hoping to avoid it as it felt like a kludge and 
it didn't give me the big jump I expected so I forgot about it.

I retested and btrfs on mdraid in a six-wide RAID0 does improve 
performance slightly -- I see typically 990MB/s, and up to around 
1.1GB/s in the best case.  Same options to fio as my original email. 
Still a ways away from ext4 (which admittedly may be cheating a bit 
since it seems to detect the md0 underneath of it and adjust its stride 
length accordingly, though I may be over-representing it's intelligence 
about this).

The I/O sizes improve greatly to parity with ext4 atop mdraid, but the 
queue depth is still fairly low -- even with many processes it rarely 
exceeds 5 or 6.  This is true if I run fio with or without the aio ioengine.

Is there any tuning in BTRFS that limits the number of outstanding reads 
at a time to a small single-digit number, or something else that could 
be behind small queue depths?  I can't otherwise imagine what the 
difference would be on the read path between ext4 vs btrfs when both are 
on mdraid.

Thanks again for your insights,

ellis

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* Re: Understanding BTRFS RAID0 Performance
  2018-10-05 15:29   ` Wilson, Ellis
@ 2018-10-06  0:34     ` Duncan
  2018-10-08 12:20       ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Duncan @ 2018-10-06  0:34 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: linux-btrfs

Wilson, Ellis posted on Fri, 05 Oct 2018 15:29:52 +0000 as excerpted:

> Is there any tuning in BTRFS that limits the number of outstanding reads
> at a time to a small single-digit number, or something else that could
> be behind small queue depths?  I can't otherwise imagine what the
> difference would be on the read path between ext4 vs btrfs when both are
> on mdraid.

It seems I forgot to directly answer that question in my first reply.  
Thanks for restating it.

Btrfs doesn't really expose much performance tuning (yet?), at least 
outside the code itself.  There are a few very limited knobs, but they're 
just that, few and limited or broad-stroke.

There are mount options like ssd/nossd, ssd_spread/nossd_spread, the 
space_cache set of options (see below), flushoncommit/noflushoncommit, 
commit=<seconds>, etc (see the btrfs (5) manpage), but nothing really to 
influence stride length, etc, or to optimize chunk placement between ssd 
and non-ssd devices, for instance.

And there's a few filesystem features, normally set at mkfs.btrfs time 
(and thus covered in the mkfs.btrfs manpage) but some of which can be 
tuned later, but generally, the defaults have changed over time to 
reflect the best case, and the older variants are there primarily to 
retain backward compatibility with old kernels and tools that didn't 
handle the newer variants.

That said, as I think about it there are some tunables that may be worth 
experimenting with.  Most or all of these are covered in the btrfs (5) 
manpage.

* Given the large device numbers you mention and raid0, you're likely 
dealing with multi-TB-scale filesystems.  At this level, the 
space_cache=v2 mount option may be useful.  It's not the default yet as 
btrfs check, etc, don't yet handle it, but given your raid0 choice you 
may not be concerned about that.  Need only be given once after which v2 
is "on" for the filesystem until turned off.

* Consider experimenting with the thread_pool=n mount option.  I've seen 
very little discussion of this one, but given your interest in 
parallelization, it could make a difference.

* Possibly the commit=<seconds> (default 30) mount option.  In theory, 
upping this may allow better write merging, tho your interest seems to be 
more on the read side, and the commit time has consequences at crash time.

* The autodefrag mount option may be considered if you do a lot of 
existing file updates, as is common with database or VM image files.  Due 
to COW this triggers high fragmentation on btrfs, and autodefrag should 
help control that.  Note that autodefrag effectively increases the 
minimum extent size from 4 KiB to, IIRC, 16 MB, tho it may be less, and 
doesn't operate at whole-file size, so larger repeatedly-modified files 
will still have some fragmentation, just not as much.  Obviously, you 
wouldn't see the read-time effects of this until the filesystem has aged 
somewhat, so it may not show up on your benchmarks.

(Another option for such files is setting them nocow or using the 
nodatacow mount option, but this turns off checksumming and if it's on, 
compression for those files, and has a few other non-obvious caveats as 
well, so isn't something I recommend.  Instead of using nocow, I'd 
suggest putting such files on a dedicated traditional non-cow filesystem 
such as ext4, and I consider nocow at best a workaround option for those 
who prefer to use btrfs as a single big storage pool and thus don't want 
to do the dedicated non-cow filesystem for some subset of their files.)

* Not really for reads but for btrfs and any cow-based filesystem, you 
almost certainly want the (not btrfs specific) noatime mount option.

* While it has serious filesystem integrity implications and thus can't 
be responsibly recommended, there is the nobarrier mount option.  But if 
you're already running raid0 on a large number of devices you're already 
gambling with device stability, and this /might/ be an additional risk 
you're willing to take, as it should increase performance.  But for 
normal users it's simply not worth the risk, and if you do choose to use 
it, it's at your own risk.

* If you're enabling the discard mount option, consider trying with it 
off, as it can affect performance if your devices don't support queued-
trim.  The alternative is fstrim, presumably scheduled to run once a week 
or so.  (The util-linux package includes an fstrim systemd timer and 
service set to run once a week.  You can activate that, or equivalent 
cron job if you're not on systemd.)

* For filesystem features you may look at no_holes and skinny_metadata.  
These are both quite stable and at least skinny-metadata is now the 
default.  These are normally set at mkfs.btrfs time, but can be modified 
later.  Setting at mkfs time should be more efficient.

* At mkfs.btrfs time, you can set metadata --nodesize.  The newer default 
is 16 KiB, while the old default was the (minimum for amd64/x86) 4 KiB, 
and the maximum is 64 KiB.  See the mkfs.btrfs manpage for the details as 
there's a tradeoff, smaller sizes increase (metadata) fragmentation but 
decrease lock contention, while larger sizes pack more efficiently and 
are less fragmented but updating is more expensive.  The change in 
default was because 16 KiB was a win over the old 4 KiB for most use-
cases, but the 32 or 64 KiB options may or may not be, depending on use-
case, and of course if you're bottlenecking on locks, 4 KiB may still be 
a win.


Among all those, I'd be especially interested in what thread_pool=n does 
or doesn't do for you, both because it specifically mentions 
parallelization and because I've seen little discussion of it.

space_cache=v2 may also be a big boost for you, if you're filesystems are 
the size the 6-device raid0 implies and are at all reasonably populated.

(Metadata) nodesize may or may not make a difference, tho I suspect if so 
it'll be mostly on writes (but I'm not familiar with the specifics there 
so could be wrong).  I'd be interested to see if it does.

In general I can recommend the no_holes and skinny_metadata features but 
you may well already have them, and the noatime mount option, which you 
may well already be using as well.  Similarly, I ensure that all my btrfs 
are mounted from first mount with autodefrag, so it's always on as the 
filesystem is populated, but I doubt you'll see a difference from that in 
your benchmarks unless you're specifically testing an aged filesystem 
that would be heavily fragmented on its own.


There's one guy here who has done heavy testing on the ssd stuff and 
knows btrfs on-device chunk allocation strategies very well, having come 
up with a utilization visualization utility and been the force behind the 
relatively recent (4.16-ish) changes to the ssd mount option's allocation 
strategy.  He'd be the one to talk to if you're considering diving into 
btrfs' on-disk allocation code, etc.

-- 
Duncan - List replies preferred.   No HTML msgs.
"Every nonfree program has a lord, a master --
and if you use the program, he is your master."  Richard Stallman


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* Re: Understanding BTRFS RAID0 Performance
  2018-10-06  0:34     ` Duncan
@ 2018-10-08 12:20       ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Austin S. Hemmelgarn @ 2018-10-08 12:20 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: linux-btrfs

On 2018-10-05 20:34, Duncan wrote:
> Wilson, Ellis posted on Fri, 05 Oct 2018 15:29:52 +0000 as excerpted:
> 
>> Is there any tuning in BTRFS that limits the number of outstanding reads
>> at a time to a small single-digit number, or something else that could
>> be behind small queue depths?  I can't otherwise imagine what the
>> difference would be on the read path between ext4 vs btrfs when both are
>> on mdraid.
> 
> It seems I forgot to directly answer that question in my first reply.
> Thanks for restating it.
> 
> Btrfs doesn't really expose much performance tuning (yet?), at least
> outside the code itself.  There are a few very limited knobs, but they're
> just that, few and limited or broad-stroke.
> 
> There are mount options like ssd/nossd, ssd_spread/nossd_spread, the
> space_cache set of options (see below), flushoncommit/noflushoncommit,
> commit=<seconds>, etc (see the btrfs (5) manpage), but nothing really to
> influence stride length, etc, or to optimize chunk placement between ssd
> and non-ssd devices, for instance.
> 
> And there's a few filesystem features, normally set at mkfs.btrfs time
> (and thus covered in the mkfs.btrfs manpage) but some of which can be
> tuned later, but generally, the defaults have changed over time to
> reflect the best case, and the older variants are there primarily to
> retain backward compatibility with old kernels and tools that didn't
> handle the newer variants.
> 
> That said, as I think about it there are some tunables that may be worth
> experimenting with.  Most or all of these are covered in the btrfs (5)
> manpage.
> 
> * Given the large device numbers you mention and raid0, you're likely
> dealing with multi-TB-scale filesystems.  At this level, the
> space_cache=v2 mount option may be useful.  It's not the default yet as
> btrfs check, etc, don't yet handle it, but given your raid0 choice you
> may not be concerned about that.  Need only be given once after which v2
> is "on" for the filesystem until turned off.
> 
> * Consider experimenting with the thread_pool=n mount option.  I've seen
> very little discussion of this one, but given your interest in
> parallelization, it could make a difference.
Probably not as much as you might think.  I'll explain a bit more 
further down where this is being mentioned again.
> 
> * Possibly the commit=<seconds> (default 30) mount option.  In theory,
> upping this may allow better write merging, tho your interest seems to be
> more on the read side, and the commit time has consequences at crash time.
Based on my own experience, having a higher commit time doesn't impact 
read or write performance much or really help all that much with write 
merging.  All it really helps with is minimizing overhead, but it's not 
even all that great at doing that.
> 
> * The autodefrag mount option may be considered if you do a lot of
> existing file updates, as is common with database or VM image files.  Due
> to COW this triggers high fragmentation on btrfs, and autodefrag should
> help control that.  Note that autodefrag effectively increases the
> minimum extent size from 4 KiB to, IIRC, 16 MB, tho it may be less, and
> doesn't operate at whole-file size, so larger repeatedly-modified files
> will still have some fragmentation, just not as much.  Obviously, you
> wouldn't see the read-time effects of this until the filesystem has aged
> somewhat, so it may not show up on your benchmarks.
> 
> (Another option for such files is setting them nocow or using the
> nodatacow mount option, but this turns off checksumming and if it's on,
> compression for those files, and has a few other non-obvious caveats as
> well, so isn't something I recommend.  Instead of using nocow, I'd
> suggest putting such files on a dedicated traditional non-cow filesystem
> such as ext4, and I consider nocow at best a workaround option for those
> who prefer to use btrfs as a single big storage pool and thus don't want
> to do the dedicated non-cow filesystem for some subset of their files.)
> 
> * Not really for reads but for btrfs and any cow-based filesystem, you
> almost certainly want the (not btrfs specific) noatime mount option.
Actually...  This can help a bit for some workloads.  Just like the 
commit time, it comes down to a matter of overhead.  Essentially, if you 
read a file regularly, than with the default of relatime, you've got a 
guaranteed write requiring a commit of the metadata tree once every 24 
hours.  It's not much to worry about for just one file, but if you're 
reading a very large number of files all the time, it can really add up.
> 
> * While it has serious filesystem integrity implications and thus can't
> be responsibly recommended, there is the nobarrier mount option.  But if
> you're already running raid0 on a large number of devices you're already
> gambling with device stability, and this /might/ be an additional risk
> you're willing to take, as it should increase performance.  But for
> normal users it's simply not worth the risk, and if you do choose to use
> it, it's at your own risk.
Agreed, if you're running RAID0 with this many drives, nobarrier may be 
worth it for a little bit of extra performance.  It will make writes a 
bit faster, and make them have less impact on concurrent reads.
> 
> * If you're enabling the discard mount option, consider trying with it
> off, as it can affect performance if your devices don't support queued-
> trim.  The alternative is fstrim, presumably scheduled to run once a week
> or so.  (The util-linux package includes an fstrim systemd timer and
> service set to run once a week.  You can activate that, or equivalent
> cron job if you're not on systemd.)
Even if you have queued discard support, you may still be better off 
using fstrim instead.  While queuing discards reduces their performance 
impact, some device firmware still can't handle them efficiently. 
Pretty much, test both ways, see which works better for your workload.
> 
> * For filesystem features you may look at no_holes and skinny_metadata.
> These are both quite stable and at least skinny-metadata is now the
> default.  These are normally set at mkfs.btrfs time, but can be modified
> later.  Setting at mkfs time should be more efficient.
> 
> * At mkfs.btrfs time, you can set metadata --nodesize.  The newer default
> is 16 KiB, while the old default was the (minimum for amd64/x86) 4 KiB,
> and the maximum is 64 KiB.  See the mkfs.btrfs manpage for the details as
> there's a tradeoff, smaller sizes increase (metadata) fragmentation but
> decrease lock contention, while larger sizes pack more efficiently and
> are less fragmented but updating is more expensive.  The change in
> default was because 16 KiB was a win over the old 4 KiB for most use-
> cases, but the 32 or 64 KiB options may or may not be, depending on use-
> case, and of course if you're bottlenecking on locks, 4 KiB may still be
> a win.
One caveat here, if you're running on top of another RAID platform, you 
can often get a small performance boost by matching the node size to the 
chunks size for the underlying RAID layer (so, the chunk size that 
replication is done at for replicated RAID, or the amount of data per 
disk per stripe for striped stuff).
> 
> 
> Among all those, I'd be especially interested in what thread_pool=n does
> or doesn't do for you, both because it specifically mentions
> parallelization and because I've seen little discussion of it.
There's been little discussion because the default value that gets 
selected is actually near optimal in all but the largest systems.  The 
default logic is to set this to either the total number of logical cores 
in the system or 8, whichever is less.  What this does is actually 
rather simple, it's functionally the maximum number of I/O requests that 
can be processed concurrently by BTRFS for that volume.

Now, in theory it might sound like increasing this should improve things 
here.  The problem with that is that beyond about 8 requests, you start 
to see the effects of lock contention a _lot_ more.  If you can find a 
way to mitigate the locking issues (check the end of my reply for more 
about that), bumping this up _might_ help, but it generally should still 
not be more than the number of logical cores in the system (I've done 
some testing myself, no matter how well you have lock contention 
mitigated, performance gains are at best negligible from using more 
threads than logical cores, and at worst you'll make performance 
significantly worse).
> 
> space_cache=v2 may also be a big boost for you, if you're filesystems are
> the size the 6-device raid0 implies and are at all reasonably populated.
> 
> (Metadata) nodesize may or may not make a difference, tho I suspect if so
> it'll be mostly on writes (but I'm not familiar with the specifics there
> so could be wrong).  I'd be interested to see if it does.
> 
> In general I can recommend the no_holes and skinny_metadata features but
> you may well already have them, and the noatime mount option, which you
> may well already be using as well.  Similarly, I ensure that all my btrfs
> are mounted from first mount with autodefrag, so it's always on as the
> filesystem is populated, but I doubt you'll see a difference from that in
> your benchmarks unless you're specifically testing an aged filesystem
> that would be heavily fragmented on its own.
> 
> 
> There's one guy here who has done heavy testing on the ssd stuff and
> knows btrfs on-device chunk allocation strategies very well, having come
> up with a utilization visualization utility and been the force behind the
> relatively recent (4.16-ish) changes to the ssd mount option's allocation
> strategy.  He'd be the one to talk to if you're considering diving into
> btrfs' on-disk allocation code, etc.

There are two other recommendations I would make:

* Stupid as it sounds, depending on your workload, you may actually see 
better performance with the single profile than the raid0 profile. 
Essentially, if you've got mostly big files that would span multiple 
devices in raid0 mode and you don't have a workload that needs 
concurrent access to the same file regularly, you can reduce contention 
for access to each individual device by running with the data profile 
set to single.

* If you can find some way to logically subdivide your workload, you 
should look at creating one subvolume per subdivision.  This will reduce 
lock contention (and thus make bumping up the `thread_pool` option 
actually have some benefits).

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