Bug report - Dell-WD15-Dock not working caused by ucm profile in alsa-lib 1.1.7

Bug report - Dell-WD15-Dock not working caused by ucm profile in alsa-lib 1.1.7

[René Santing]

Hello Alsa developers,

I would like to file a bug report about the Dell-WD15-Dock. This dock
stopped working for me on archlinux/kde. The device was not picked up at
all by pulse audio after some updates I installed last week.
By trial and error I found out it was caused by the ucm profile that was
added in alsa-lib 1.1.7.
Running the following restored functionality.

 sudo mv /usr/share/alsa/ucm/Dell-WD15-Dock/Dell-WD15-Dock.conf
/usr/share/alsa/ucm/Dell-WD15-Dock/Dell-WD15-Dock.bak
 pulseaudio -k

I uploaded 3 alsa-info.sh profiles.

1.1.6
http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=a9a4c53d1e417c3d2ef304fe0778581c35b7a95e
(working)
1.1.7
http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=bb474a687692e25f5e54c475f16f7ce4ef210f7a
(not working)
1.1.7
http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=586dd059aaa08e839eb9df5f7b49990a5f4ad1a5
(working but moved the wd15 ucm profile)

https://alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Bug_Tracking pointed me to this
mailing list to submit this report. If this is the wrong place or there
is more information need could you let me know so I can send it to the
proper channels?

Best regards,

René Santing

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Re: Bug report - Dell-WD15-Dock not working caused by ucm profile in alsa-lib 1.1.7

[Takashi Iwai]

On Tue, 30 Oct 2018 10:10:07 +0100,
Ren9 Santing wrote:
> 
> Hello Alsa developers,
> 
> I would like to file a bug report about the Dell-WD15-Dock. This dock
> stopped working for me on archlinux/kde. The device was not picked up at
> all by pulse audio after some updates I installed last week.
> By trial and error I found out it was caused by the ucm profile that was
> added in alsa-lib 1.1.7.

Could you try the alsa-lib git repo?  The fix is already included.


thanks,

Takashi

Re: Bug report - Dell-WD15-Dock not working caused by ucm profile in alsa-lib 1.1.7

[René Santing]

I totally missed that commit sorry for the redundant bug report. Yes it
works with the updated conf file.

Thanks,

René Santing

On 30-10-18 10:35, Takashi Iwai wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Oct 2018 10:10:07 +0100,
> Ren9 Santing wrote:
>> Hello Alsa developers,
>>
>> I would like to file a bug report about the Dell-WD15-Dock. This dock
>> stopped working for me on archlinux/kde. The device was not picked up at
>> all by pulse audio after some updates I installed last week.
>> By trial and error I found out it was caused by the ucm profile that was
>> added in alsa-lib 1.1.7.
> Could you try the alsa-lib git repo?  The fix is already included.
>
>
> thanks,
>
> Takashi

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Re: Bug report - Dell-WD15-Dock not working caused by ucm profile in alsa-lib 1.1.7

[Takashi Iwai]

On Tue, 30 Oct 2018 10:41:10 +0100,
Ren9 Santing wrote:
> 
> I totally missed that commit sorry for the redundant bug report. Yes it
> works with the updated conf file.

Good to hear, thanks for quick testing!

Jaroslav, what do you think of 1.1.7.1 release addressing regression?
IIRC, we had an issue with alsa-plugins as well.


Takashi

> 
> Thanks,
> 
> René Santing
> 
> On 30-10-18 10:35, Takashi Iwai wrote:
> > On Tue, 30 Oct 2018 10:10:07 +0100,
> > Ren9 Santing wrote:
> >> Hello Alsa developers,
> >>
> >> I would like to file a bug report about the Dell-WD15-Dock. This dock
> >> stopped working for me on archlinux/kde. The device was not picked up at
> >> all by pulse audio after some updates I installed last week.
> >> By trial and error I found out it was caused by the ucm profile that was
> >> added in alsa-lib 1.1.7.
> > Could you try the alsa-lib git repo?  The fix is already included.
> >
> >
> > thanks,
> >
> > Takashi
> 
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Re: Bug report - Dell-WD15-Dock not working caused by ucm profile in alsa-lib 1.1.7

[Takashi Iwai]

On Tue, 30 Oct 2018 10:48:26 +0100,
Takashi Iwai wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 30 Oct 2018 10:41:10 +0100,
> Ren9 Santing wrote:
> > 
> > I totally missed that commit sorry for the redundant bug report. Yes it
> > works with the updated conf file.
> 
> Good to hear, thanks for quick testing!
> 
> Jaroslav, what do you think of 1.1.7.1 release addressing regression?
> IIRC, we had an issue with alsa-plugins as well.

Or maybe we should drop this UCM profile.

Since PA seems addressing the issue by itself via its own specific
profile, we may leave the things to PA alone.

I hoped that UCM profile support can improve the things in a cleaner
way, but PA-UCM integration isn't fully done (e.g. the volume / mute
controls seem ignored), and UCM overrides the PA profile, it can be
more harm than good as of now.


Takashi

> 
> 
> Takashi
> 
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > René Santing
> > 
> > On 30-10-18 10:35, Takashi Iwai wrote:
> > > On Tue, 30 Oct 2018 10:10:07 +0100,
> > > Ren9 Santing wrote:
> > >> Hello Alsa developers,
> > >>
> > >> I would like to file a bug report about the Dell-WD15-Dock. This dock
> > >> stopped working for me on archlinux/kde. The device was not picked up at
> > >> all by pulse audio after some updates I installed last week.
> > >> By trial and error I found out it was caused by the ucm profile that was
> > >> added in alsa-lib 1.1.7.
> > > Could you try the alsa-lib git repo?  The fix is already included.
> > >
> > >
> > > thanks,
> > >
> > > Takashi
> > 
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Re: Bug report - Dell-WD15-Dock not working caused by ucm profile in alsa-lib 1.1.7

[René Santing]

As a user I do think the ucm profile works as intended with the latest
git. Pulseaudio is now able to use the headphone and speaker output of
the docking station at the same time and I wasn't able to do that
before. Also for me in KDE the volume/mute controls are working as
intended. But if the profile gives more issues for other users I can
confirm that my normal usecase also works fine without the profile on my
setup.

René

On 30-10-18 16:45, Takashi Iwai wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Oct 2018 10:48:26 +0100,
> Takashi Iwai wrote:
>> On Tue, 30 Oct 2018 10:41:10 +0100,
>> Ren9 Santing wrote:
>>> I totally missed that commit sorry for the redundant bug report. Yes it
>>> works with the updated conf file.
>> Good to hear, thanks for quick testing!
>>
>> Jaroslav, what do you think of 1.1.7.1 release addressing regression?
>> IIRC, we had an issue with alsa-plugins as well.
> Or maybe we should drop this UCM profile.
>
> Since PA seems addressing the issue by itself via its own specific
> profile, we may leave the things to PA alone.
>
> I hoped that UCM profile support can improve the things in a cleaner
> way, but PA-UCM integration isn't fully done (e.g. the volume / mute
> controls seem ignored), and UCM overrides the PA profile, it can be
> more harm than good as of now.
>
>
> Takashi
>
>>
>> Takashi
>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> René Santing
>>>
>>> On 30-10-18 10:35, Takashi Iwai wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 30 Oct 2018 10:10:07 +0100,
>>>> Ren9 Santing wrote:
>>>>> Hello Alsa developers,
>>>>>
>>>>> I would like to file a bug report about the Dell-WD15-Dock. This dock
>>>>> stopped working for me on archlinux/kde. The device was not picked up at
>>>>> all by pulse audio after some updates I installed last week.
>>>>> By trial and error I found out it was caused by the ucm profile that was
>>>>> added in alsa-lib 1.1.7.
>>>> Could you try the alsa-lib git repo?  The fix is already included.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Takashi

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Re: Bug report - Dell-WD15-Dock not working caused by ucm profile in alsa-lib 1.1.7

[Takashi Iwai]

On Tue, 30 Oct 2018 16:55:31 +0100,
Ren9 Santing wrote:
> 
> As a user I do think the ucm profile works as intended with the latest
> git. Pulseaudio is now able to use the headphone and speaker output of
> the docking station at the same time and I wasn't able to do that
> before. Also for me in KDE the volume/mute controls are working as
> intended. But if the profile gives more issues for other users I can
> confirm that my normal usecase also works fine without the profile on my
> setup.

Thanks, that's interesting.  I rethought of dropping the UCM profile
just because of some complaints about PA behavior.

Is the volume restored properly by PA?  The reporter told that the
lack of priority values lead to the failure of the volume-restore
behavior.  This could be relatively easily fixed in UCM profile side,
we may just add the priority values.

Another complaint was about the lack of the keyboard control.  It was
supposed to be due to the lack of the hardware flag exposed from PA.
And, PA UCM parser doesn't seem to take the volume / mute definitions
even if defined in UCM profile, so far.  This could be fixed in PA
side as well.

The last complaint was about the missing icon; this might be tricky,
maybe PA could guess the more appropriate icon from the UCM stream
name string...

In anyway, I'd be glad if we keep UCM profile as an option, too.

Which version of PA are you using, BTW?


Takashi

> 
> René
> 
> On 30-10-18 16:45, Takashi Iwai wrote:
> > On Tue, 30 Oct 2018 10:48:26 +0100,
> > Takashi Iwai wrote:
> >> On Tue, 30 Oct 2018 10:41:10 +0100,
> >> Ren9 Santing wrote:
> >>> I totally missed that commit sorry for the redundant bug report. Yes it
> >>> works with the updated conf file.
> >> Good to hear, thanks for quick testing!
> >>
> >> Jaroslav, what do you think of 1.1.7.1 release addressing regression?
> >> IIRC, we had an issue with alsa-plugins as well.
> > Or maybe we should drop this UCM profile.
> >
> > Since PA seems addressing the issue by itself via its own specific
> > profile, we may leave the things to PA alone.
> >
> > I hoped that UCM profile support can improve the things in a cleaner
> > way, but PA-UCM integration isn't fully done (e.g. the volume / mute
> > controls seem ignored), and UCM overrides the PA profile, it can be
> > more harm than good as of now.
> >
> >
> > Takashi
> >
> >>
> >> Takashi
> >>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>>
> >>> René Santing
> >>>
> >>> On 30-10-18 10:35, Takashi Iwai wrote:
> >>>> On Tue, 30 Oct 2018 10:10:07 +0100,
> >>>> Ren9 Santing wrote:
> >>>>> Hello Alsa developers,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I would like to file a bug report about the Dell-WD15-Dock. This dock
> >>>>> stopped working for me on archlinux/kde. The device was not picked up at
> >>>>> all by pulse audio after some updates I installed last week.
> >>>>> By trial and error I found out it was caused by the ucm profile that was
> >>>>> added in alsa-lib 1.1.7.
> >>>> Could you try the alsa-lib git repo?  The fix is already included.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> thanks,
> >>>>
> >>>> Takashi
> 
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Re: Bug report - Dell-WD15-Dock not working caused by ucm profile in alsa-lib 1.1.7

[René Santing]

I haven't found the time to test this yet but I will try to do it tomorrow.

René

On Wed, 31 Oct 2018, 13:02 Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de wrote:

> On Tue, 30 Oct 2018 16:55:31 +0100,
> Ren9 Santing wrote:
> >
> > As a user I do think the ucm profile works as intended with the latest
> > git. Pulseaudio is now able to use the headphone and speaker output of
> > the docking station at the same time and I wasn't able to do that
> > before. Also for me in KDE the volume/mute controls are working as
> > intended. But if the profile gives more issues for other users I can
> > confirm that my normal usecase also works fine without the profile on my
> > setup.
>
> Thanks, that's interesting.  I rethought of dropping the UCM profile
> just because of some complaints about PA behavior.
>
> Is the volume restored properly by PA?  The reporter told that the
> lack of priority values lead to the failure of the volume-restore
> behavior.  This could be relatively easily fixed in UCM profile side,
> we may just add the priority values.
>
> Another complaint was about the lack of the keyboard control.  It was
> supposed to be due to the lack of the hardware flag exposed from PA.
> And, PA UCM parser doesn't seem to take the volume / mute definitions
> even if defined in UCM profile, so far.  This could be fixed in PA
> side as well.
>
> The last complaint was about the missing icon; this might be tricky,
> maybe PA could guess the more appropriate icon from the UCM stream
> name string...
>
> In anyway, I'd be glad if we keep UCM profile as an option, too.
>
> Which version of PA are you using, BTW?
>
>
> Takashi
>
> >
> > René
> >
> > On 30-10-18 16:45, Takashi Iwai wrote:
> > > On Tue, 30 Oct 2018 10:48:26 +0100,
> > > Takashi Iwai wrote:
> > >> On Tue, 30 Oct 2018 10:41:10 +0100,
> > >> Ren9 Santing wrote:
> > >>> I totally missed that commit sorry for the redundant bug report. Yes
> it
> > >>> works with the updated conf file.
> > >> Good to hear, thanks for quick testing!
> > >>
> > >> Jaroslav, what do you think of 1.1.7.1 release addressing regression?
> > >> IIRC, we had an issue with alsa-plugins as well.
> > > Or maybe we should drop this UCM profile.
> > >
> > > Since PA seems addressing the issue by itself via its own specific
> > > profile, we may leave the things to PA alone.
> > >
> > > I hoped that UCM profile support can improve the things in a cleaner
> > > way, but PA-UCM integration isn't fully done (e.g. the volume / mute
> > > controls seem ignored), and UCM overrides the PA profile, it can be
> > > more harm than good as of now.
> > >
> > >
> > > Takashi
> > >
> > >>
> > >> Takashi
> > >>
> > >>> Thanks,
> > >>>
> > >>> René Santing
> > >>>
> > >>> On 30-10-18 10:35, Takashi Iwai wrote:
> > >>>> On Tue, 30 Oct 2018 10:10:07 +0100,
> > >>>> Ren9 Santing wrote:
> > >>>>> Hello Alsa developers,
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I would like to file a bug report about the Dell-WD15-Dock. This
> dock
> > >>>>> stopped working for me on archlinux/kde. The device was not picked
> up at
> > >>>>> all by pulse audio after some updates I installed last week.
> > >>>>> By trial and error I found out it was caused by the ucm profile
> that was
> > >>>>> added in alsa-lib 1.1.7.
> > >>>> Could you try the alsa-lib git repo?  The fix is already included.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> thanks,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Takashi
> >
>
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Re: Bug report - Dell-WD15-Dock not working caused by ucm profile in alsa-lib 1.1.7

[René Santing]

I am running pulseaudio 12.2

For me the volume is properly restored but it does take PA about two
seconds to respond to my keyboard control the first time I press them
after boot. So keyboard control does have a small regression for me. If
these issues are there maybe it would be wise to drop the UCM profile
until they are fixed because there weren't and real issues in the old
situation. I can test other things if needed so let me know.

René

On 31-10-2018 13:02, Takashi Iwai wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Oct 2018 16:55:31 +0100,
> Ren9 Santing wrote:
>> As a user I do think the ucm profile works as intended with the latest
>> git. Pulseaudio is now able to use the headphone and speaker output of
>> the docking station at the same time and I wasn't able to do that
>> before. Also for me in KDE the volume/mute controls are working as
>> intended. But if the profile gives more issues for other users I can
>> confirm that my normal usecase also works fine without the profile on my
>> setup.
> Thanks, that's interesting.  I rethought of dropping the UCM profile
> just because of some complaints about PA behavior.
>
> Is the volume restored properly by PA?  The reporter told that the
> lack of priority values lead to the failure of the volume-restore
> behavior.  This could be relatively easily fixed in UCM profile side,
> we may just add the priority values.
>
> Another complaint was about the lack of the keyboard control.  It was
> supposed to be due to the lack of the hardware flag exposed from PA.
> And, PA UCM parser doesn't seem to take the volume / mute definitions
> even if defined in UCM profile, so far.  This could be fixed in PA
> side as well.
>
> The last complaint was about the missing icon; this might be tricky,
> maybe PA could guess the more appropriate icon from the UCM stream
> name string...
>
> In anyway, I'd be glad if we keep UCM profile as an option, too.
>
> Which version of PA are you using, BTW?
>
>
> Takashi
>
>> René
>>
>> On 30-10-18 16:45, Takashi Iwai wrote:
>>> On Tue, 30 Oct 2018 10:48:26 +0100,
>>> Takashi Iwai wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 30 Oct 2018 10:41:10 +0100,
>>>> Ren9 Santing wrote:
>>>>> I totally missed that commit sorry for the redundant bug report. Yes it
>>>>> works with the updated conf file.
>>>> Good to hear, thanks for quick testing!
>>>>
>>>> Jaroslav, what do you think of 1.1.7.1 release addressing regression?
>>>> IIRC, we had an issue with alsa-plugins as well.
>>> Or maybe we should drop this UCM profile.
>>>
>>> Since PA seems addressing the issue by itself via its own specific
>>> profile, we may leave the things to PA alone.
>>>
>>> I hoped that UCM profile support can improve the things in a cleaner
>>> way, but PA-UCM integration isn't fully done (e.g. the volume / mute
>>> controls seem ignored), and UCM overrides the PA profile, it can be
>>> more harm than good as of now.
>>>
>>>
>>> Takashi
>>>
>>>> Takashi
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> René Santing
>>>>>
>>>>> On 30-10-18 10:35, Takashi Iwai wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 30 Oct 2018 10:10:07 +0100,
>>>>>> Ren9 Santing wrote:
>>>>>>> Hello Alsa developers,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would like to file a bug report about the Dell-WD15-Dock. This dock
>>>>>>> stopped working for me on archlinux/kde. The device was not picked up at
>>>>>>> all by pulse audio after some updates I installed last week.
>>>>>>> By trial and error I found out it was caused by the ucm profile that was
>>>>>>> added in alsa-lib 1.1.7.
>>>>>> Could you try the alsa-lib git repo?  The fix is already included.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Takashi


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Re: Bug report - Dell-WD15-Dock not working caused by ucm profile in alsa-lib 1.1.7

[Takashi Iwai]

On Fri, 02 Nov 2018 10:58:44 +0100,
Ren9 Santing wrote:
> 
> I am running pulseaudio 12.2
> 
> For me the volume is properly restored but it does take PA about two
> seconds to respond to my keyboard control the first time I press them
> after boot. So keyboard control does have a small regression for me. If
> these issues are there maybe it would be wise to drop the UCM profile
> until they are fixed because there weren't and real issues in the old
> situation. I can test other things if needed so let me know.

The two seconds non-response sound like a PA issue, maybe it's been
busy for parsing or setup.  In anyway, your analysis is convincing
enough that we can keep the UCM profile for good, at least for the
newer PA version.


Thanks!

Takashi


> 
> René
> 
> On 31-10-2018 13:02, Takashi Iwai wrote:
> > On Tue, 30 Oct 2018 16:55:31 +0100,
> > Ren9 Santing wrote:
> >> As a user I do think the ucm profile works as intended with the latest
> >> git. Pulseaudio is now able to use the headphone and speaker output of
> >> the docking station at the same time and I wasn't able to do that
> >> before. Also for me in KDE the volume/mute controls are working as
> >> intended. But if the profile gives more issues for other users I can
> >> confirm that my normal usecase also works fine without the profile on my
> >> setup.
> > Thanks, that's interesting.  I rethought of dropping the UCM profile
> > just because of some complaints about PA behavior.
> >
> > Is the volume restored properly by PA?  The reporter told that the
> > lack of priority values lead to the failure of the volume-restore
> > behavior.  This could be relatively easily fixed in UCM profile side,
> > we may just add the priority values.
> >
> > Another complaint was about the lack of the keyboard control.  It was
> > supposed to be due to the lack of the hardware flag exposed from PA.
> > And, PA UCM parser doesn't seem to take the volume / mute definitions
> > even if defined in UCM profile, so far.  This could be fixed in PA
> > side as well.
> >
> > The last complaint was about the missing icon; this might be tricky,
> > maybe PA could guess the more appropriate icon from the UCM stream
> > name string...
> >
> > In anyway, I'd be glad if we keep UCM profile as an option, too.
> >
> > Which version of PA are you using, BTW?
> >
> >
> > Takashi
> >
> >> René
> >>
> >> On 30-10-18 16:45, Takashi Iwai wrote:
> >>> On Tue, 30 Oct 2018 10:48:26 +0100,
> >>> Takashi Iwai wrote:
> >>>> On Tue, 30 Oct 2018 10:41:10 +0100,
> >>>> Ren9 Santing wrote:
> >>>>> I totally missed that commit sorry for the redundant bug report. Yes it
> >>>>> works with the updated conf file.
> >>>> Good to hear, thanks for quick testing!
> >>>>
> >>>> Jaroslav, what do you think of 1.1.7.1 release addressing regression?
> >>>> IIRC, we had an issue with alsa-plugins as well.
> >>> Or maybe we should drop this UCM profile.
> >>>
> >>> Since PA seems addressing the issue by itself via its own specific
> >>> profile, we may leave the things to PA alone.
> >>>
> >>> I hoped that UCM profile support can improve the things in a cleaner
> >>> way, but PA-UCM integration isn't fully done (e.g. the volume / mute
> >>> controls seem ignored), and UCM overrides the PA profile, it can be
> >>> more harm than good as of now.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Takashi
> >>>
> >>>> Takashi
> >>>>
> >>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> René Santing
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 30-10-18 10:35, Takashi Iwai wrote:
> >>>>>> On Tue, 30 Oct 2018 10:10:07 +0100,
> >>>>>> Ren9 Santing wrote:
> >>>>>>> Hello Alsa developers,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I would like to file a bug report about the Dell-WD15-Dock. This dock
> >>>>>>> stopped working for me on archlinux/kde. The device was not picked up at
> >>>>>>> all by pulse audio after some updates I installed last week.
> >>>>>>> By trial and error I found out it was caused by the ucm profile that was
> >>>>>>> added in alsa-lib 1.1.7.
> >>>>>> Could you try the alsa-lib git repo?  The fix is already included.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> thanks,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Takashi
> 
> 
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