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From: Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de>
To: John Keeping <john@metanate.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, alsa-devel@alsa-project.org,
	Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] ALSA: rawmidi: Fix potential UAF from sequencer destruction
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2021 13:40:35 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <s5hy27ejnpo.wl-tiwai@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20210930112753.40e1efa6.john@metanate.com>

On Thu, 30 Sep 2021 12:27:53 +0200,
John Keeping wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 30 Sep 2021 08:55:52 +0200
> Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de> wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, 30 Sep 2021 08:31:56 +0200,
> > Takashi Iwai wrote:
> > > 
> > > On Wed, 29 Sep 2021 18:56:32 +0200,
> > > John Keeping wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > On Wed, 29 Sep 2021 17:28:57 +0200
> > > > Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > On Wed, 29 Sep 2021 17:17:58 +0200,
> > > > > John Keeping wrote:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > On Wed, 29 Sep 2021 16:51:47 +0200
> > > > > > Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de> wrote:
> > > > > >   
> > > > > > > On Wed, 29 Sep 2021 13:36:20 +0200,
> > > > > > > John Keeping wrote:  
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > If the sequencer device outlives the rawmidi device, then
> > > > > > > > snd_rawmidi_dev_seq_free() will run after release_rawmidi_device() has
> > > > > > > > freed the snd_rawmidi structure.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > This can easily be reproduced with CONFIG_DEBUG_KOBJECT_RELEASE.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Keep a reference to the rawmidi device until the sequencer has been
> > > > > > > > destroyed in order to avoid this.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Signed-off-by: John Keeping <john@metanate.com>    
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Thanks for the patch.  I wonder, though, how this could be triggered.
> > > > > > > Is this the case where the connected sequencer device is being used
> > > > > > > while the sound card gets released?  Or is it something else?  
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I'm not sure if it's possible to trigger via the ALSA API; I haven't
> > > > > > found a route that can trigger it, but that doesn't mean there isn't
> > > > > > one :-)
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Mostly this is useful to make CONFIG_DEBUG_KOBJECT_RELEASE cleaner.  
> > > > > 
> > > > > Hm, then could you check whether the patch below papers over it
> > > > > instead?
> > > > 
> > > > No, this patch doesn't solve it.  The issue is that the effect of the
> > > > final device_put() is delayed from the time it is called and there is no
> > > > way to guarantee the ordering without ensuring the sequencer has been
> > > > destroyed before the final reference to the rawmidi device is put.
> > > > 
> > > > Both of the functions involved are called from the core
> > > > device::release() hook.
> > > > 
> > > > I'm using the patch below to easily check that the sequencer has been
> > > > freed before the rawmidi data.  This can easily be triggered by
> > > > unplugging a USB MIDI device (it's not 100% since the kobject release
> > > > delays are random).
> > > 
> > > Hm, it's strange.  I suppose you're *not* using the MIDI device,
> > > right?
> > > 
> > > The release path for the USB-audio driver is:
> > >   usb_audio_disconnect() ->
> > >     snd_card_free_when_closed() ->
> > >       release_card_device() (via put_device(&card->card_dev)) ->
> > >         snd_card_do_free()
> > > 
> > > And here in snd_card_do_free(), the snd_device free-callback chains
> > > are called at the beginning (snd_device_free_all()).
> > > As it's executed in a reverse loop, snd_rawmidi_dev_seq_free() shall
> > > be called before snd_rawmidi_dev_free().  Since the final put_device()
> > > for the rawmidi device is called in the latter function, the device
> > > release must not happen before snd_rawmidi_dev_seq_free()...
> > 
> > Correction: now I finally understood what I misunderstood.
> > Although the snd_device call chain mentioned above itself is correct,
> > the snd_rawmidi_dev_seq_free() function isn't called directly from the
> > snd_device chain, but it's rater the own private_free of
> > snd_seq_device object.  That is, the call of snd_seq_device
> > private_free is done in a wrong place; it should be called in the
> > snd_device call chain instead of the device release.
> > 
> > A fix patch is something like below.  Could you check whether this
> > fixes the problem?
> 
> Yes, this fixes it!

Great, I'll submit a proper patch.

Thanks!


Takashi

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From: Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de>
To: John Keeping <john@metanate.com>
Cc: alsa-devel@alsa-project.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] ALSA: rawmidi: Fix potential UAF from sequencer destruction
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2021 13:40:35 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <s5hy27ejnpo.wl-tiwai@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20210930112753.40e1efa6.john@metanate.com>

On Thu, 30 Sep 2021 12:27:53 +0200,
John Keeping wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 30 Sep 2021 08:55:52 +0200
> Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de> wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, 30 Sep 2021 08:31:56 +0200,
> > Takashi Iwai wrote:
> > > 
> > > On Wed, 29 Sep 2021 18:56:32 +0200,
> > > John Keeping wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > On Wed, 29 Sep 2021 17:28:57 +0200
> > > > Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > On Wed, 29 Sep 2021 17:17:58 +0200,
> > > > > John Keeping wrote:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > On Wed, 29 Sep 2021 16:51:47 +0200
> > > > > > Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de> wrote:
> > > > > >   
> > > > > > > On Wed, 29 Sep 2021 13:36:20 +0200,
> > > > > > > John Keeping wrote:  
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > If the sequencer device outlives the rawmidi device, then
> > > > > > > > snd_rawmidi_dev_seq_free() will run after release_rawmidi_device() has
> > > > > > > > freed the snd_rawmidi structure.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > This can easily be reproduced with CONFIG_DEBUG_KOBJECT_RELEASE.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Keep a reference to the rawmidi device until the sequencer has been
> > > > > > > > destroyed in order to avoid this.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Signed-off-by: John Keeping <john@metanate.com>    
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Thanks for the patch.  I wonder, though, how this could be triggered.
> > > > > > > Is this the case where the connected sequencer device is being used
> > > > > > > while the sound card gets released?  Or is it something else?  
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I'm not sure if it's possible to trigger via the ALSA API; I haven't
> > > > > > found a route that can trigger it, but that doesn't mean there isn't
> > > > > > one :-)
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Mostly this is useful to make CONFIG_DEBUG_KOBJECT_RELEASE cleaner.  
> > > > > 
> > > > > Hm, then could you check whether the patch below papers over it
> > > > > instead?
> > > > 
> > > > No, this patch doesn't solve it.  The issue is that the effect of the
> > > > final device_put() is delayed from the time it is called and there is no
> > > > way to guarantee the ordering without ensuring the sequencer has been
> > > > destroyed before the final reference to the rawmidi device is put.
> > > > 
> > > > Both of the functions involved are called from the core
> > > > device::release() hook.
> > > > 
> > > > I'm using the patch below to easily check that the sequencer has been
> > > > freed before the rawmidi data.  This can easily be triggered by
> > > > unplugging a USB MIDI device (it's not 100% since the kobject release
> > > > delays are random).
> > > 
> > > Hm, it's strange.  I suppose you're *not* using the MIDI device,
> > > right?
> > > 
> > > The release path for the USB-audio driver is:
> > >   usb_audio_disconnect() ->
> > >     snd_card_free_when_closed() ->
> > >       release_card_device() (via put_device(&card->card_dev)) ->
> > >         snd_card_do_free()
> > > 
> > > And here in snd_card_do_free(), the snd_device free-callback chains
> > > are called at the beginning (snd_device_free_all()).
> > > As it's executed in a reverse loop, snd_rawmidi_dev_seq_free() shall
> > > be called before snd_rawmidi_dev_free().  Since the final put_device()
> > > for the rawmidi device is called in the latter function, the device
> > > release must not happen before snd_rawmidi_dev_seq_free()...
> > 
> > Correction: now I finally understood what I misunderstood.
> > Although the snd_device call chain mentioned above itself is correct,
> > the snd_rawmidi_dev_seq_free() function isn't called directly from the
> > snd_device chain, but it's rater the own private_free of
> > snd_seq_device object.  That is, the call of snd_seq_device
> > private_free is done in a wrong place; it should be called in the
> > snd_device call chain instead of the device release.
> > 
> > A fix patch is something like below.  Could you check whether this
> > fixes the problem?
> 
> Yes, this fixes it!

Great, I'll submit a proper patch.

Thanks!


Takashi

  reply	other threads:[~2021-09-30 11:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-09-29 11:36 [PATCH] ALSA: rawmidi: Fix potential UAF from sequencer destruction John Keeping
2021-09-29 11:36 ` John Keeping
2021-09-29 14:51 ` Takashi Iwai
2021-09-29 14:51   ` Takashi Iwai
2021-09-29 15:17   ` John Keeping
2021-09-29 15:17     ` John Keeping
2021-09-29 15:28     ` Takashi Iwai
2021-09-29 15:28       ` Takashi Iwai
2021-09-29 16:56       ` John Keeping
2021-09-29 16:56         ` John Keeping
2021-09-30  6:31         ` Takashi Iwai
2021-09-30  6:31           ` Takashi Iwai
2021-09-30  6:55           ` Takashi Iwai
2021-09-30  6:55             ` Takashi Iwai
2021-09-30 10:27             ` John Keeping
2021-09-30 10:27               ` John Keeping
2021-09-30 11:40               ` Takashi Iwai [this message]
2021-09-30 11:40                 ` Takashi Iwai

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