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From: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
To: Vincenzo Frascino <vincenzo.frascino@arm.com>
Cc: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	linux-arch <linux-arch@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux ARM <linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-mips@vger.kernel.org,
	"open list:KERNEL SELFTEST FRAMEWORK" 
	<linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>,
	Russell King <linux@armlinux.org.uk>,
	Ralf Baechle <ralf@linux-mips.org>,
	Paul Burton <paul.burton@mips.com>,
	Daniel Lezcano <daniel.lezcano@linaro.org>,
	Mark Salyzyn <salyzyn@android.com>,
	Peter Collingbourne <pcc@google.com>,
	Shuah Khan <shuah@kernel.org>,
	Dmitry Safonov <0x7f454c46@gmail.com>,
	Rasmus Villemoes <linux@rasmusvillemoes.dk>,
	Huw Davies <huw@codeweavers.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 00/19] Unify vDSOs across more architectures
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2019 14:16:00 +0200 (CEST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.21.1906141413070.1722@nanos.tec.linutronix.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <d96667d5-e43b-d33a-fbd0-5acfb4904316@arm.com>

On Tue, 4 Jun 2019, Vincenzo Frascino wrote:
> On 31/05/2019 09:46, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> > One open question I touched in my review is whether we want to
> > have a vdso version of clock_getres() in all architectures or not.
> > I'd prefer to leave it out because there is very little advantage to
> > it over the system call (the results don't change at runtime and
> > can easily be cached by libc if performance ever matters), and
> > it takes up a small amount of memory for the implementation.
> > 
> 
> I thought about it and I ended up with what proposed in this patchset mainly for
> symmetry across all the architectures since in the end they use the same common
> code.
> 
> It seems also that there is some performance impact (i.e.):
> 
> clock-getres-monotonic:    libc(system call): 296 nsec/call
> clock-getres-monotonic:    libc(vdso): 5 nsec/call

clock_getres() is usually not a hot path operation.

> I agree with you though when you say that caching it in the libc is a
> possibility to overcome the performance impact.
> 
> > We shouldn't just need it for consistency because all callers
> > would require implementing a fallback to the system call
> > anyway, to deal with old kernels.

libc has the fallback already. Let's aim for 1:1 replacement of the
architecture code first and then add the extra bits in separate patches.

Thanks,

	tglx

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From: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
To: Vincenzo Frascino <vincenzo.frascino@arm.com>
Cc: linux-arch <linux-arch@vger.kernel.org>,
	Shuah Khan <shuah@kernel.org>, Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	Huw Davies <huw@codeweavers.com>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Daniel Lezcano <daniel.lezcano@linaro.org>,
	Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>,
	linux-mips@vger.kernel.org, Ralf Baechle <ralf@linux-mips.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Paul Burton <paul.burton@mips.com>,
	"open list:KERNEL SELFTEST FRAMEWORK"
	<linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org>,
	Rasmus Villemoes <linux@rasmusvillemoes.dk>,
	Russell King <linux@armlinux.org.uk>,
	Dmitry Safonov <0x7f454c46@gmail.com>,
	Mark Salyzyn <salyzyn@android.com>,
	Peter Collingbourne <pcc@google.com>,
	Linux ARM <linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 00/19] Unify vDSOs across more architectures
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2019 14:16:00 +0200 (CEST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.21.1906141413070.1722@nanos.tec.linutronix.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <d96667d5-e43b-d33a-fbd0-5acfb4904316@arm.com>

On Tue, 4 Jun 2019, Vincenzo Frascino wrote:
> On 31/05/2019 09:46, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> > One open question I touched in my review is whether we want to
> > have a vdso version of clock_getres() in all architectures or not.
> > I'd prefer to leave it out because there is very little advantage to
> > it over the system call (the results don't change at runtime and
> > can easily be cached by libc if performance ever matters), and
> > it takes up a small amount of memory for the implementation.
> > 
> 
> I thought about it and I ended up with what proposed in this patchset mainly for
> symmetry across all the architectures since in the end they use the same common
> code.
> 
> It seems also that there is some performance impact (i.e.):
> 
> clock-getres-monotonic:    libc(system call): 296 nsec/call
> clock-getres-monotonic:    libc(vdso): 5 nsec/call

clock_getres() is usually not a hot path operation.

> I agree with you though when you say that caching it in the libc is a
> possibility to overcome the performance impact.
> 
> > We shouldn't just need it for consistency because all callers
> > would require implementing a fallback to the system call
> > anyway, to deal with old kernels.

libc has the fallback already. Let's aim for 1:1 replacement of the
architecture code first and then add the extra bits in separate patches.

Thanks,

	tglx

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Thread overview: 277+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-05-30 14:15 [PATCH v6 00/19] Unify vDSOs across more architectures Vincenzo Frascino
2019-05-30 14:15 ` Vincenzo Frascino
2019-05-30 14:15 ` Vincenzo Frascino
2019-05-30 14:15 ` vincenzo.frascino
2019-05-30 14:15 ` [PATCH v6 01/19] kernel: Standardize vdso_datapage Vincenzo Frascino
2019-05-30 14:15   ` Vincenzo Frascino
2019-05-30 14:15   ` Vincenzo Frascino
2019-05-30 14:15   ` vincenzo.frascino
2019-05-31  8:16   ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-05-31  8:16     ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-05-31  8:16     ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-05-31  8:16     ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-05-31  8:16     ` arnd
2019-06-04 12:05     ` Vincenzo Frascino
2019-06-04 12:05       ` Vincenzo Frascino
2019-06-04 12:05       ` Vincenzo Frascino
2019-06-04 12:05       ` Vincenzo Frascino
2019-06-04 12:05       ` vincenzo.frascino
2019-06-10 17:47       ` Huw Davies
2019-06-10 17:47         ` Huw Davies
2019-06-10 17:47         ` Huw Davies
2019-06-10 17:47         ` Huw Davies
2019-06-10 17:47         ` huw
2019-06-10  9:27   ` Huw Davies
2019-06-10  9:27     ` Huw Davies
2019-06-10  9:27     ` Huw Davies
2019-06-10  9:27     ` Huw Davies
2019-06-10  9:27     ` huw
2019-06-10 10:17     ` Vincenzo Frascino
2019-06-10 10:17       ` Vincenzo Frascino
2019-06-10 10:17       ` Vincenzo Frascino
2019-06-10 10:17       ` vincenzo.frascino
2019-06-10 10:31       ` Huw Davies
2019-06-10 10:31         ` Huw Davies
2019-06-10 10:31         ` Huw Davies
2019-06-10 10:31         ` huw
2019-06-10 11:07         ` Vincenzo Frascino
2019-06-10 11:07           ` Vincenzo Frascino
2019-06-10 11:07           ` Vincenzo Frascino
2019-06-10 11:07           ` vincenzo.frascino
2019-06-10 11:37           ` Huw Davies
2019-06-10 11:37             ` Huw Davies
2019-06-10 11:37             ` Huw Davies
2019-06-10 11:37             ` huw
2019-05-30 14:15 ` [PATCH v6 02/19] kernel: Define gettimeofday vdso common code Vincenzo Frascino
2019-05-30 14:15   ` Vincenzo Frascino
2019-05-30 14:15   ` Vincenzo Frascino
2019-05-30 14:15   ` vincenzo.frascino
2019-05-31  8:19   ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-05-31  8:19     ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-05-31  8:19     ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-05-31  8:19     ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-05-31  8:19     ` arnd
2019-06-04 12:08     ` Vincenzo Frascino
2019-06-04 12:08       ` Vincenzo Frascino
2019-06-04 12:08       ` Vincenzo Frascino
2019-06-04 12:08       ` Vincenzo Frascino
2019-06-04 12:08       ` vincenzo.frascino
2019-06-10  9:31   ` Huw Davies
2019-06-10  9:31     ` Huw Davies
2019-06-10  9:31     ` Huw Davies
2019-06-10  9:31     ` Huw Davies
2019-06-10  9:31     ` huw
2019-06-10 10:18     ` Vincenzo Frascino
2019-06-10 10:18       ` Vincenzo Frascino
2019-06-10 10:18       ` Vincenzo Frascino
2019-06-10 10:18       ` vincenzo.frascino
2019-05-30 14:15 ` [PATCH v6 03/19] kernel: Unify update_vsyscall implementation Vincenzo Frascino
2019-05-30 14:15   ` Vincenzo Frascino
2019-05-30 14:15   ` Vincenzo Frascino
2019-05-30 14:15   ` vincenzo.frascino
2019-06-10  9:34   ` Huw Davies
2019-06-10  9:34     ` Huw Davies
2019-06-10  9:34     ` Huw Davies
2019-06-10  9:34     ` huw
2019-06-10 10:19     ` Vincenzo Frascino
2019-06-10 10:19       ` Vincenzo Frascino
2019-06-10 10:19       ` Vincenzo Frascino
2019-06-10 10:19       ` vincenzo.frascino
2019-06-14 11:10   ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-06-14 11:10     ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-06-14 12:15     ` Vincenzo Frascino
2019-06-14 12:15       ` Vincenzo Frascino
2019-06-14 12:19       ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-06-14 12:19         ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-06-14 12:25         ` Vincenzo Frascino
2019-06-14 12:25           ` Vincenzo Frascino
2019-06-14 13:07           ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-06-14 13:07             ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-05-30 14:15 ` [PATCH v6 04/19] arm64: Substitute gettimeofday with C implementation Vincenzo Frascino
2019-05-30 14:15   ` Vincenzo Frascino
2019-05-30 14:15   ` Vincenzo Frascino
2019-05-30 14:15   ` vincenzo.frascino
2019-05-30 14:15 ` [PATCH v6 05/19] arm64: Build vDSO with -ffixed-x18 Vincenzo Frascino
2019-05-30 14:15   ` Vincenzo Frascino
2019-05-30 14:15   ` Vincenzo Frascino
2019-05-30 14:15   ` vincenzo.frascino
2019-05-30 14:15 ` [PATCH v6 06/19] arm64: compat: Add missing syscall numbers Vincenzo Frascino
2019-05-30 14:15   ` Vincenzo Frascino
2019-05-30 14:15   ` Vincenzo Frascino
2019-05-30 14:15   ` vincenzo.frascino
2019-05-30 14:15 ` [PATCH v6 07/19] arm64: compat: Expose signal related structures Vincenzo Frascino
2019-05-30 14:15   ` Vincenzo Frascino
2019-05-30 14:15   ` Vincenzo Frascino
2019-05-30 14:15   ` vincenzo.frascino
2019-05-30 14:15 ` [PATCH v6 08/19] arm64: compat: Generate asm offsets for signals Vincenzo Frascino
2019-05-30 14:15   ` Vincenzo Frascino
2019-05-30 14:15   ` Vincenzo Frascino
2019-05-30 14:15   ` vincenzo.frascino
2019-05-30 14:15 ` [PATCH v6 09/19] lib: vdso: Add compat support Vincenzo Frascino
2019-05-30 14:15   ` Vincenzo Frascino
2019-05-30 14:15   ` Vincenzo Frascino
2019-05-30 14:15   ` vincenzo.frascino
2019-05-30 14:15 ` [PATCH v6 10/19] arm64: compat: Add vDSO Vincenzo Frascino
2019-05-30 14:15   ` Vincenzo Frascino
2019-05-30 14:15   ` Vincenzo Frascino
2019-05-30 14:15   ` vincenzo.frascino
2019-05-30 14:15 ` [PATCH v6 11/19] arm64: Refactor vDSO code Vincenzo Frascino
2019-05-30 14:15   ` Vincenzo Frascino
2019-05-30 14:15   ` Vincenzo Frascino
2019-05-30 14:15   ` vincenzo.frascino
2019-05-30 14:15 ` [PATCH v6 12/19] arm64: compat: vDSO setup for compat layer Vincenzo Frascino
2019-05-30 14:15   ` Vincenzo Frascino
2019-05-30 14:15   ` Vincenzo Frascino
2019-05-30 14:15   ` vincenzo.frascino
2019-05-30 14:15 ` [PATCH v6 13/19] arm64: elf: vDSO code page discovery Vincenzo Frascino
2019-05-30 14:15   ` Vincenzo Frascino
2019-05-30 14:15   ` Vincenzo Frascino
2019-05-30 14:15   ` vincenzo.frascino
2019-05-30 14:15 ` [PATCH v6 14/19] arm64: compat: Get sigreturn trampolines from vDSO Vincenzo Frascino
2019-05-30 14:15   ` Vincenzo Frascino
2019-05-30 14:15   ` Vincenzo Frascino
2019-05-30 14:15   ` vincenzo.frascino
2019-05-30 14:15 ` [PATCH v6 15/19] arm64: Add vDSO compat support Vincenzo Frascino
2019-05-30 14:15   ` Vincenzo Frascino
2019-05-30 14:15   ` Vincenzo Frascino
2019-05-30 14:15   ` vincenzo.frascino
2019-06-01  9:38   ` Catalin Marinas
2019-06-01  9:38     ` Catalin Marinas
2019-06-01  9:38     ` Catalin Marinas
2019-06-01  9:38     ` catalin.marinas
2019-06-04 12:10     ` Vincenzo Frascino
2019-06-04 12:10       ` Vincenzo Frascino
2019-06-04 12:10       ` Vincenzo Frascino
2019-06-04 12:10       ` vincenzo.frascino
2019-05-30 14:15 ` [PATCH v6 16/19] arm: Add support for generic vDSO Vincenzo Frascino
2019-05-30 14:15   ` Vincenzo Frascino
2019-05-30 14:15   ` Vincenzo Frascino
2019-05-30 14:15   ` vincenzo.frascino
2019-05-31  8:32   ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-05-31  8:32     ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-05-31  8:32     ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-05-31  8:32     ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-05-31  8:32     ` arnd
2019-05-30 14:15 ` [PATCH v6 17/19] mips: " Vincenzo Frascino
2019-05-30 14:15   ` Vincenzo Frascino
2019-05-30 14:15   ` Vincenzo Frascino
2019-05-30 14:15   ` vincenzo.frascino
2019-05-31  8:34   ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-05-31  8:34     ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-05-31  8:34     ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-05-31  8:34     ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-05-31  8:34     ` arnd
2019-06-03 14:54     ` Mark Salyzyn
2019-06-03 14:54       ` Mark Salyzyn
2019-06-03 14:54       ` Mark Salyzyn
2019-06-03 14:54       ` Mark Salyzyn
2019-06-03 14:54       ` salyzyn
2019-06-03 17:07       ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-06-03 17:07         ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-06-03 17:07         ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-06-03 17:07         ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-06-03 17:07         ` arnd
2019-05-30 14:15 ` [PATCH v6 18/19] x86: " Vincenzo Frascino
2019-05-30 14:15   ` Vincenzo Frascino
2019-05-30 14:15   ` Vincenzo Frascino
2019-05-30 14:15   ` vincenzo.frascino
2019-05-30 15:41   ` Michael Kelley
2019-05-30 15:41     ` Michael Kelley
2019-05-30 15:41     ` Michael Kelley
2019-05-30 15:41     ` Michael Kelley
2019-05-30 15:41     ` mikelley
2019-06-04 12:13     ` Vincenzo Frascino
2019-06-04 12:13       ` Vincenzo Frascino
2019-06-04 12:13       ` Vincenzo Frascino
2019-06-04 12:13       ` Vincenzo Frascino
2019-06-04 12:13       ` vincenzo.frascino
2019-06-14 11:15     ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-06-14 11:15       ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-06-14 11:15       ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-06-14 11:15       ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-06-14 21:17       ` Sasha Levin
2019-06-14 21:17         ` Sasha Levin
2019-06-14 21:17         ` Sasha Levin
2019-06-14 21:17         ` Sasha Levin
2019-06-22 14:46         ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-06-22 14:46           ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-06-22 14:46           ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-06-22 14:46           ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-06-23 19:09           ` Sasha Levin
2019-06-23 19:09             ` Sasha Levin
2019-06-23 19:09             ` Sasha Levin
2019-06-23 19:09             ` Sasha Levin
2019-06-23 21:58             ` Stephen Rothwell
2019-06-23 21:58               ` Stephen Rothwell
2019-06-23 21:58               ` Stephen Rothwell
2019-06-23 21:58               ` Stephen Rothwell
2019-06-24  0:24               ` Sasha Levin
2019-06-24  0:24                 ` Sasha Levin
2019-06-24  0:24                 ` Sasha Levin
2019-06-24  0:24                 ` Sasha Levin
2019-06-24  1:20                 ` Stephen Rothwell
2019-06-24  1:20                   ` Stephen Rothwell
2019-06-24  1:20                   ` Stephen Rothwell
2019-06-24  1:20                   ` Stephen Rothwell
2019-06-23 22:12             ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-06-23 22:12               ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-06-23 22:12               ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-06-23 22:12               ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-06-24  0:04               ` Michael Kelley
2019-06-24  0:04                 ` Michael Kelley
2019-06-24  0:04                 ` Michael Kelley
2019-06-24  0:04                 ` Michael Kelley
2019-06-24  0:25                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-06-24  0:25                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-06-24  0:25                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-06-24  0:25                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-06-28 18:40                   ` Michael Kelley
2019-06-28 18:40                     ` Michael Kelley
2019-06-28 18:40                     ` Michael Kelley
2019-06-28 18:40                     ` Michael Kelley
2019-05-30 14:15 ` [PATCH v6 19/19] kselftest: Extend vDSO selftest Vincenzo Frascino
2019-05-30 14:15   ` Vincenzo Frascino
2019-05-30 14:15   ` Vincenzo Frascino
2019-05-30 14:15   ` vincenzo.frascino
2019-05-31  8:53   ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-05-31  8:53     ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-05-31  8:53     ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-05-31  8:53     ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-05-31  8:53     ` arnd
2019-05-31  8:46 ` [PATCH v6 00/19] Unify vDSOs across more architectures Arnd Bergmann
2019-05-31  8:46   ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-05-31  8:46   ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-05-31  8:46   ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-05-31  8:46   ` arnd
2019-06-04 12:04   ` Vincenzo Frascino
2019-06-04 12:04     ` Vincenzo Frascino
2019-06-04 12:04     ` Vincenzo Frascino
2019-06-04 12:04     ` Vincenzo Frascino
2019-06-04 12:04     ` vincenzo.frascino
2019-06-04 12:12     ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-06-04 12:12       ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-06-04 12:12       ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-06-04 12:12       ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-06-04 12:12       ` arnd
2019-06-05 14:32       ` Vincenzo Frascino
2019-06-05 14:32         ` Vincenzo Frascino
2019-06-05 14:32         ` Vincenzo Frascino
2019-06-05 14:32         ` Vincenzo Frascino
2019-06-05 14:32         ` vincenzo.frascino
2019-06-14 12:16     ` Thomas Gleixner [this message]
2019-06-14 12:16       ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-06-14 12:16       ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-06-14 12:19       ` Vincenzo Frascino
2019-06-14 12:19         ` Vincenzo Frascino
2019-06-14 12:19         ` Vincenzo Frascino
2019-06-20  6:17 ` Shijith Thotton
2019-06-20  6:17   ` Shijith Thotton
2019-06-20  6:17   ` Shijith Thotton
2019-06-20  6:17   ` Shijith Thotton
2019-06-20  8:55   ` Vincenzo Frascino
2019-06-20  8:55     ` Vincenzo Frascino
2019-06-20  8:55     ` Vincenzo Frascino
2019-06-20 16:27 ` Andre Przywara
2019-06-20 16:27   ` Andre Przywara
2019-06-21  9:11   ` Vincenzo Frascino
2019-06-21  9:11     ` Vincenzo Frascino

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