From: "Jie, Yang" <yang.jie@intel.com>
To: Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de>, Keyon Jie <yang.jie@linux.intel.com>
Cc: "alsa-devel@alsa-project.org" <alsa-devel@alsa-project.org>
Subject: Re: [alsa-devel] [PATCH] ALSA: pcm: fix buffer_bytes max constrained by preallocated bytes issue
Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2020 15:31:02 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <E7B1D079BA13FB44A978CC8F69C7D6A96F98EE27@SHSMSX105.ccr.corp.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E7B1D079BA13FB44A978CC8F69C7D6A96F98EDB4@SHSMSX105.ccr.corp.intel.com>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jie, Yang
> Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2020 10:14 PM
> To: 'Takashi Iwai' <tiwai@suse.de>; Keyon Jie <yang.jie@linux.intel.com>
> Cc: alsa-devel@alsa-project.org
> Subject: RE: [alsa-devel] [PATCH] ALSA: pcm: fix buffer_bytes max
> constrained by preallocated bytes issue
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Alsa-devel <alsa-devel-bounces@alsa-project.org> On Behalf Of
> > Takashi Iwai
> > Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2020 7:51 PM
> > To: Keyon Jie <yang.jie@linux.intel.com>
> > Cc: alsa-devel@alsa-project.org
> > Subject: Re: [alsa-devel] [PATCH] ALSA: pcm: fix buffer_bytes max
> > constrained by preallocated bytes issue
> >
> > On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 12:25:38 +0100,
> > Keyon Jie wrote:
> > >
> > > On Thu, 2020-01-16 at 11:27 +0100, Takashi Iwai wrote:
> > > > On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 10:50:33 +0100,
> > > >
> > > > Oh, you're right, and I completely misread the patch.
> > > >
> > > > Now I took a coffee and can tell you the story behind the scene.
> > > >
> > > > I believe the current code is intentionally limiting the size to
> > > > the preallocated size. This limitation was brought for not trying
> > > > to allocate a larger buffer when the buffer has been preallocated.
> > > > In the past, most hardware allocated the continuous pages for a
> > > > buffer and the allocation of a large buffer fails quite likely.
> > > > This was the reason of the buffer preallocation. So, the driver
> > > > wanted to tell the user-space the limit. If user needs to have an
> > > > extra large buffer, they are supposed to fiddle with prealloc
> > > > procfs (either setting zero to clear the preallocation or setting
> > > > a large enough buffer beforehand).
> > >
> > > Thank you for the sharing, it is interesting and knowledge learned
> > > to me.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > For SG-buffers, though, limitation makes less sense than
> > > > continuous pages. e.g. a patch below removes the limitation for SG-
> buffers.
> > > > But changing this would definitely cause the behavior difference,
> > > > and I don't know whether it's a reasonable move -- I'm afraid that
> > > > apps would start hogging too much memory if the limitation is gone.
> > >
> > > I just went through all invoking to
> > > snd_pcm_lib_preallocate_pages*(), for those SNDRV_DMA_TYPE_DEV,
> some
> > > of them set the *size* equal to
> > the
> > > *max*, some set the *max* several times to the *size*, IMHO, the
> > > *max*s are matched to those hardware's limiatation, comparing to the
> > > *size*s, aren't they?
> > >
> > > In this case, I still think my patch hanle all
> > > TYPE_DEV/SNDRV_DMA_TYPE_DEV/TYPE_SG/SNDRV_DMA_TYPE_DEV
> > cases more
> > > gracefully, we will still take the limitation from the specific
> > > driver set, from the *max* param, and the test results looks very
> > > nice here, we will take what the user space wanted for buffer-bytes
> > > via aply exactly, as long as it is suitable for the interval and constraints.
> >
> > Well, I have a mixed feeling. Certainly we'd need some better way to
> > allow a larger buffer allocation, especially for HDA. OTOH, if the
> > buffer was preallocated, it's meant to be used actually. That's the
> > point of the hw_constraint setup.
>
> So if the buffer was preallocated, it won't be re-allocated at hw_params()
> stage, is this conflict with the re-allocate logic in hw_params()?
>
> >
> > And now thinking again after another cup of coffee, I wonder why we do
> > preallocate for HDA at all. For HD-audio, the allocation of any large
> > buffer would succeed very likely because of SG-buffer.
> >
> > So, just setting 0 to the preallocation size (but keeping else) would work,
> e.g.
> > something like below? The help text needs adjustment, but you can see
> > the rough idea.
>
> So, do you suggest not doing preallocation(or calling it with 0 size) for all
> driver with TYPE_SG? I am fine if this is the recommended method, I can try
> this on SOF I2S platform to see if it can work as we required for very large
> buffer size.
Tried and found setting 0 size for preallocation doesn't work for me, I have
even tried to setting the size as big as the max(which the user space may
require for buffer-bytes), it still doesn't work for me.
Thanks,
~Keyon
>
> Thanks,
> ~Keyon
>
_______________________________________________
Alsa-devel mailing list
Alsa-devel@alsa-project.org
https://mailman.alsa-project.org/mailman/listinfo/alsa-devel
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2020-01-16 15:32 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2020-01-16 4:53 [alsa-devel] [PATCH] ALSA: pcm: fix buffer_bytes max constrained by preallocated bytes issue Keyon Jie
2020-01-16 7:15 ` Takashi Iwai
2020-01-16 9:50 ` Keyon Jie
2020-01-16 10:27 ` Takashi Iwai
2020-01-16 11:25 ` Keyon Jie
2020-01-16 11:50 ` Takashi Iwai
2020-01-16 14:14 ` Jie, Yang
2020-01-16 15:31 ` Jie, Yang [this message]
2020-01-16 16:07 ` Takashi Iwai
2020-01-16 16:39 ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2020-01-16 17:25 ` Rajwa, Marcin
2020-01-16 17:40 ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2020-01-16 20:37 ` Takashi Iwai
2020-01-17 5:30 ` Keyon Jie
2020-01-17 7:57 ` Takashi Iwai
2020-01-17 10:13 ` Keyon Jie
2020-01-17 10:30 ` Takashi Iwai
2020-01-17 10:56 ` Keyon Jie
2020-01-17 11:15 ` Takashi Iwai
2020-01-17 5:37 ` Keyon Jie
2020-01-17 8:00 ` Takashi Iwai
2020-01-17 10:43 ` Keyon Jie
2020-01-17 11:12 ` Takashi Iwai
2020-01-19 3:52 ` Keyon Jie
2020-01-19 7:09 ` Takashi Iwai
2020-01-19 8:11 ` Keyon Jie
2020-01-19 9:04 ` Takashi Iwai
2020-01-19 10:14 ` Keyon Jie
2020-01-19 10:43 ` Takashi Iwai
2020-01-20 2:23 ` Keyon Jie
2020-01-16 15:45 ` Takashi Iwai
Reply instructions:
You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:
* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
and reply-to-all from there: mbox
Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style
* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
switches of git-send-email(1):
git send-email \
--in-reply-to=E7B1D079BA13FB44A978CC8F69C7D6A96F98EE27@SHSMSX105.ccr.corp.intel.com \
--to=yang.jie@intel.com \
--cc=alsa-devel@alsa-project.org \
--cc=tiwai@suse.de \
--cc=yang.jie@linux.intel.com \
/path/to/YOUR_REPLY
https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html
* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line
before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox;
as well as URLs for NNTP newsgroup(s).