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From: Stanislav Fomichev <sdf@google.com>
To: Yafang Shao <laoar.shao@gmail.com>
Cc: ast@kernel.org, daniel@iogearbox.net, andrii@kernel.org,
	kafai@fb.com, songliubraving@fb.com, yhs@fb.com,
	john.fastabend@gmail.com, kpsingh@kernel.org, haoluo@google.com,
	jolsa@kernel.org, bpf@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH bpf-next 00/13] bpf: Introduce BPF namespace
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2023 10:28:27 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZCHSOxto9DlEzVy9@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20230326092208.13613-1-laoar.shao@gmail.com>

On 03/26, Yafang Shao wrote:
> Currently only CAP_SYS_ADMIN can iterate BPF object IDs and convert IDs
> to FDs, that's intended for BPF's security model[1]. Not only does it
> prevent non-privilidged users from getting other users' bpf program, but
> also it prevents the user from iterating his own bpf objects.

> In container environment, some users want to run bpf programs in their
> containers. These users can run their bpf programs under CAP_BPF and
> some other specific CAPs, but they can't inspect their bpf programs in a
> generic way. For example, the bpftool can't be used as it requires
> CAP_SYS_ADMIN. That is very inconvenient.

> Without CAP_SYS_ADMIN, the only way to get the information of a bpf object
> which is not created by the process itself is with SCM_RIGHTS, that
> requires each processes which created bpf object has to implement a unix
> domain socket to share the fd of a bpf object between different
> processes, that is really trivial and troublesome.

> Hence we need a better mechanism to get bpf object info without
> CAP_SYS_ADMIN.

[..]

> BPF namespace is introduced in this patchset with an attempt to remove
> the CAP_SYS_ADMIN requirement. The user can create bpf map, prog and
> link in a specific bpf namespace, then these bpf objects will not be
> visible to the users in a different bpf namespace. But these bpf
> objects are visible to its parent bpf namespace, so the sys admin can
> still iterate and inspect them.

Does it essentially mean unpriv bpf? Can I, as a non-root, create
a new bpf namespace and start loading/attaching progs?
Maybe add a paragraph about now vs whatever you're proposing.
Otherwise it's not very clear what's the security story.
(haven't looked at the whole series, so maybe it's answered somewhere else?)

> BPF namespace is similar to PID namespace, and the bpf objects are
> similar to tasks, so BPF namespace is very easy to understand. These
> patchset only implements BPF namespace for bpf map, prog and link. In the
> future we may extend it to other bpf objects like btf, bpffs and etc.
> For example, we can allow some of the BTF objects to be used in
> non-init bpf namespace, then the container user can only trace the
> processes running in his container, but can't get the information of
> tasks running in other containers.

> A simple example is introduced into selftests/bpf on how to use the bpf
> namespace.

> Putting bpf map, prog and link into bpf namespace is the first step.
> Let's start with it.

> [1].  
> https://lore.kernel.org/bpf/20200513230355.7858-1-alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com/

> Yafang Shao (13):
>    fork: New clone3 flag for BPF namespace
>    proc_ns: Extend the field type in struct proc_ns_operations to long
>    bpf: Implement bpf namespace
>    bpf: No need to check if id is 0
>    bpf: Make bpf objects id have the same alloc and free pattern
>    bpf: Helpers to alloc and free object id in bpf namespace
>    bpf: Add bpf helper to get bpf object id
>    bpf: Alloc and free bpf_map id in bpf namespace
>    bpf: Alloc and free bpf_prog id in bpf namespace
>    bpf: Alloc and free bpf_link id in bpf namespace
>    bpf: Allow iterating bpf objects with CAP_BPF in bpf namespace
>    bpf: Use bpf_idr_lock array instead
>    selftests/bpf: Add selftest for bpf namespace

>   fs/proc/namespaces.c                      |   4 +
>   include/linux/bpf.h                       |   9 +-
>   include/linux/bpf_namespace.h             |  88 ++++++++++
>   include/linux/nsproxy.h                   |   4 +
>   include/linux/proc_ns.h                   |   3 +-
>   include/linux/user_namespace.h            |   1 +
>   include/uapi/linux/bpf.h                  |   7 +
>   include/uapi/linux/sched.h                |   1 +
>   kernel/bpf/Makefile                       |   1 +
>   kernel/bpf/bpf_namespace.c                | 283  
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>   kernel/bpf/offload.c                      |  16 +-
>   kernel/bpf/syscall.c                      | 262  
> ++++++++++-----------------
>   kernel/bpf/task_iter.c                    |  12 ++
>   kernel/fork.c                             |   5 +-
>   kernel/nsproxy.c                          |  19 +-
>   kernel/trace/bpf_trace.c                  |   2 +
>   kernel/ucount.c                           |   1 +
>   tools/bpf/bpftool/skeleton/pid_iter.bpf.c |  13 +-
>   tools/include/uapi/linux/bpf.h            |   7 +
>   tools/testing/selftests/bpf/Makefile      |   3 +-
>   tools/testing/selftests/bpf/test_bpfns.c  |  76 ++++++++
>   21 files changed, 637 insertions(+), 180 deletions(-)
>   create mode 100644 include/linux/bpf_namespace.h
>   create mode 100644 kernel/bpf/bpf_namespace.c
>   create mode 100644 tools/testing/selftests/bpf/test_bpfns.c

> --
> 1.8.3.1


  parent reply	other threads:[~2023-03-27 17:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-03-26  9:21 [RFC PATCH bpf-next 00/13] bpf: Introduce BPF namespace Yafang Shao
2023-03-26  9:21 ` [RFC PATCH bpf-next 01/13] fork: New clone3 flag for " Yafang Shao
2023-03-26  9:21 ` [RFC PATCH bpf-next 02/13] proc_ns: Extend the field type in struct proc_ns_operations to long Yafang Shao
2023-03-26  9:21 ` [RFC PATCH bpf-next 03/13] bpf: Implement bpf namespace Yafang Shao
2023-03-26  9:21 ` [RFC PATCH bpf-next 04/13] bpf: No need to check if id is 0 Yafang Shao
2023-03-26  9:22 ` [RFC PATCH bpf-next 05/13] bpf: Make bpf objects id have the same alloc and free pattern Yafang Shao
2023-03-26  9:22 ` [RFC PATCH bpf-next 06/13] bpf: Helpers to alloc and free object id in bpf namespace Yafang Shao
2023-03-26  9:22 ` [RFC PATCH bpf-next 07/13] bpf: Add bpf helper to get bpf object id Yafang Shao
2023-03-26  9:22 ` [RFC PATCH bpf-next 08/13] bpf: Alloc and free bpf_map id in bpf namespace Yafang Shao
2023-03-26 10:50   ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2023-03-27  2:44     ` Yafang Shao
2023-03-26  9:22 ` [RFC PATCH bpf-next 09/13] bpf: Alloc and free bpf_prog " Yafang Shao
2023-03-26  9:22 ` [RFC PATCH bpf-next 10/13] bpf: Alloc and free bpf_link " Yafang Shao
2023-03-26  9:22 ` [RFC PATCH bpf-next 11/13] bpf: Allow iterating bpf objects with CAP_BPF " Yafang Shao
2023-03-26  9:22 ` [RFC PATCH bpf-next 12/13] bpf: Use bpf_idr_lock array instead Yafang Shao
2023-03-26  9:22 ` [RFC PATCH bpf-next 13/13] selftests/bpf: Add selftest for bpf namespace Yafang Shao
2023-03-26 10:49 ` [RFC PATCH bpf-next 00/13] bpf: Introduce BPF namespace Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2023-03-27  3:07   ` Yafang Shao
2023-03-27 20:51     ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2023-03-28  3:48       ` Yafang Shao
2023-03-27 17:28 ` Stanislav Fomichev [this message]
2023-03-28  3:42   ` Yafang Shao
2023-03-28 17:15     ` Stanislav Fomichev
2023-03-29  3:02       ` Yafang Shao
2023-03-29 20:50         ` Stanislav Fomichev
2023-03-30  2:40           ` Yafang Shao
2023-03-27 19:03 ` Song Liu
2023-03-28  3:47   ` Yafang Shao
2023-04-02 23:37     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2023-04-03  3:05       ` Yafang Shao
2023-04-03 22:50         ` Alexei Starovoitov
2023-04-04  2:59           ` Yafang Shao
2023-04-06  2:06             ` Alexei Starovoitov
2023-04-06  2:54               ` Yafang Shao
2023-04-06  3:05                 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2023-04-06  3:22                   ` Yafang Shao
2023-04-06  4:24                     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2023-04-06  5:43                       ` Yafang Shao
2023-04-06 20:22                         ` Andrii Nakryiko
2023-04-07  1:43                           ` Alexei Starovoitov
2023-04-07  4:33                             ` Yafang Shao
2023-04-07 15:32                               ` Alexei Starovoitov
2023-04-07 15:59                             ` Andrii Nakryiko
2023-04-07 16:05                               ` Alexei Starovoitov
2023-04-07 16:21                                 ` Yafang Shao
2023-04-07 16:31                                   ` Alexei Starovoitov
2023-04-07 16:35                                     ` Yafang Shao
2023-03-31  5:52 ` Hao Luo
2023-04-01 16:32   ` Yafang Shao

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