From: Daniel Borkmann <daniel@iogearbox.net>
To: Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>, Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>
Cc: Alexei Starovoitov <alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com>,
bpf <bpf@vger.kernel.org>,
Kernel Hardening <kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com>
Subject: Re: CONFIG_DEBUG_INFO_BTF and CONFIG_GCC_PLUGIN_RANDSTRUCT
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2020 00:41:04 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <c332da87-a770-8cf9-c252-5fb64c06c17e@iogearbox.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <202003301016.D0E239A0@keescook>
On 3/30/20 7:20 PM, Kees Cook wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 06:17:32PM +0200, Jann Horn wrote:
>> On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 5:59 PM Alexei Starovoitov
>> <alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 8:14 AM Jann Horn <jannh@google.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I noticed that CONFIG_DEBUG_INFO_BTF seems to partly defeat the point
>>>> of CONFIG_GCC_PLUGIN_RANDSTRUCT.
>>>
>>> Is it a theoretical stmt or you have data?
>>> I think it's the other way around.
>>> gcc-plugin breaks dwarf and breaks btf.
>>> But I only looked at gcc patches without applying them.
>>
>> Ah, interesting - I haven't actually tested it, I just assumed
>> (perhaps incorrectly) that the GCC plugin would deal with DWARF info
>> properly.
>
> Yeah, GCC appears to create DWARF before the plugin does the
> randomization[1], so it's not an exposure, but yes, struct randomization
> is pretty completely incompatible with a bunch of things in the kernel
> (by design). I'm happy to add negative "depends" in the Kconfig if it
> helps clarify anything.
Is this expected to get fixed at some point wrt DWARF? Perhaps would make
sense then to add a negative "depends" for both DWARF and BTF if the option
GCC_PLUGIN_RANDSTRUCT is set given both would be incompatible/broken.
Thanks,
Daniel
> -Kees
>
> [1] https://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=84052
>
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2020-03-30 22:41 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2020-03-30 15:12 CONFIG_DEBUG_INFO_BTF and CONFIG_GCC_PLUGIN_RANDSTRUCT Jann Horn
2020-03-30 15:59 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2020-03-30 16:17 ` Jann Horn
2020-03-30 17:20 ` Kees Cook
2020-03-30 22:41 ` Daniel Borkmann [this message]
2020-03-31 18:12 ` Kees Cook
2020-03-31 19:50 ` Andrii Nakryiko
2020-03-31 19:58 ` Kees Cook
2020-03-31 20:23 ` Andrii Nakryiko
2020-03-31 21:24 ` Slava Bacherikov
2020-04-01 7:32 ` Kees Cook
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