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* [cip-dev] CIP Core target EOL dates
@ 2020-04-09  5:27 punit1.agrawal
  2020-04-09  6:04 ` masashi.kudo
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From: punit1.agrawal @ 2020-04-09  5:27 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: cip-dev; +Cc: Daniel Sangorrin, Kazuhiro Hayashi

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Hi,

CIP is planning to support the Kernels + Debian Rootfs combinations
marked with 'x' in the table below.

+----------+----------+-----------+-----------+
|          | Debian 8 | Debian 9  | Debian 10 |
|          |  Jessie  |  Stretch  |  Buster   |
|  Kernel  |          |           |           |
+----------+----------+-----------+-----------+
|   v4.4   |    x     |     x     |           |
+----------+----------+-----------+-----------+
|  v4.19   |          |     x     |     x     |
+----------+----------+-----------+-----------+

So far, the details of when the support is expected to end haven't been
explicitly called out for Core components. It would be good to rectify
this in order to set expectations and gather feedback from the user
community.

In addition, it will be helpful in estimating the required effort and
planning to resource the projects appropriately.

To start the conversation, I would like to propose the following target
EOL dates for each of the supported combination.

Note: All the dates are in YYYY-MM-DD format

+----------+--------------+--------------+--------------+
|          |   Debian 8   |   Debian 9   |  Debian 10   |
|          |    Jessie    |   Stretch    |    Buster    |
|  Kernel  |              |              |              |
+----------+--------------+--------------+--------------+
|   v4.4   |  2025-04-26  |  2026-01-10  |              |
+----------+--------------+--------------+--------------+
|  v4.19   |              |  2027-06-17  |  2019-10-18  |
+----------+--------------+--------------+--------------+

The proposed dates have been calculated as

    earlier of (Kernel, Debian) release date + 10 yrs

The choice of duration (10 yrs) is arbitrary and should be adjusted
based on requirement and available resources. Also, some of the
combinations could be dropped if there are no users for them.

Ideally, the dates for the Core components should be aligned with CIP
maintained kernels but there doesn't seem to be any public documentation
for the CIP kernel EOL dates. Let me know if this is written down
somewhere.

All feedback welcome.

Thanks,
Punit


The relevant Debian[0][1][2] and Kernel[3] release dates are copied
below for reference.

Debian Release Dates
--------------------
Jessie  - 2015-04-26
Stretch - 2017-06-17
Buster  - 2019-07-06

Linux Kernel Release Dates
--------------------------
v4.4  - 2016-01-10
v4.19 - 2018-10-18


[0] https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/
[1] https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/
[2] https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/
[3] https://www.kernel.org/category/releases.html

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* Re: [cip-dev] CIP Core target EOL dates
  2020-04-09  5:27 [cip-dev] CIP Core target EOL dates punit1.agrawal
@ 2020-04-09  6:04 ` masashi.kudo
  2020-04-10  2:02   ` punit1.agrawal
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From: masashi.kudo @ 2020-04-09  6:04 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: cip-dev; +Cc: daniel.sangorrin, kazuhiro3.hayashi

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Hi, Punit-san,

Thanks for initiating the discussion.

Regarding the EOL of "v4.19" x "Debian Buster", it should be "2029-01-11" if we follow the following rule.

>     earlier of (Kernel, Debian) release date + 10 yrs

- SLTS4.19 kernel release date: Jan 11, 2019
https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1R2r7_hVijKN1VTuVc92IE4U94p9AUU90bMFUoGRroUI/edit?pli=1#slide=id.p7
- Debian Buster release date: July 6, 2019
https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/

> Ideally, the dates for the Core components should be aligned with CIP maintained kernels but there doesn't seem to be any public documentation for the CIP kernel EOL dates. Let me know if this is written down somewhere.

The projected EOLs are stated in the above document.
Regarding the web site, I noticed that the following page is not updated.

https://wiki.linuxfoundation.org/civilinfrastructureplatform/cipkernelmaintenance

I will discuss this inside the kernel team.

Best regards,
--
M. Kudo

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From: cip-dev@lists.cip-project.org <cip-dev@lists.cip-project.org> On Behalf Of punit1.agrawal@toshiba.co.jp
Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2020 2:27 PM
To: cip-dev@lists.cip-project.org
Cc: Daniel Sangorrin <daniel.sangorrin@toshiba.co.jp>; Kazuhiro Hayashi <kazuhiro3.hayashi@toshiba.co.jp>
Subject: [cip-dev] CIP Core target EOL dates

Hi,

CIP is planning to support the Kernels + Debian Rootfs combinations marked with 'x' in the table below.

+----------+----------+-----------+-----------+
|          | Debian 8 | Debian 9  | Debian 10 |
|          |  Jessie  |  Stretch  |  Buster   |
|  Kernel  |          |           |           |
+----------+----------+-----------+-----------+
|   v4.4   |    x     |     x     |           |
+----------+----------+-----------+-----------+
|  v4.19   |          |     x     |     x     |
+----------+----------+-----------+-----------+

So far, the details of when the support is expected to end haven't been explicitly called out for Core components. It would be good to rectify this in order to set expectations and gather feedback from the user community.

In addition, it will be helpful in estimating the required effort and planning to resource the projects appropriately.

To start the conversation, I would like to propose the following target EOL dates for each of the supported combination.

Note: All the dates are in YYYY-MM-DD format

+----------+--------------+--------------+--------------+
|          |   Debian 8   |   Debian 9   |  Debian 10   |
|          |    Jessie    |   Stretch    |    Buster    |
|  Kernel  |              |              |              |
+----------+--------------+--------------+--------------+
|   v4.4   |  2025-04-26  |  2026-01-10  |              |
+----------+--------------+--------------+--------------+
|  v4.19   |              |  2027-06-17  |  2019-10-18  |
+----------+--------------+--------------+--------------+

The proposed dates have been calculated as

    earlier of (Kernel, Debian) release date + 10 yrs

The choice of duration (10 yrs) is arbitrary and should be adjusted based on requirement and available resources. Also, some of the combinations could be dropped if there are no users for them.

Ideally, the dates for the Core components should be aligned with CIP maintained kernels but there doesn't seem to be any public documentation for the CIP kernel EOL dates. Let me know if this is written down somewhere.

All feedback welcome.

Thanks,
Punit


The relevant Debian[0][1][2] and Kernel[3] release dates are copied below for reference.

Debian Release Dates
--------------------
Jessie  - 2015-04-26
Stretch - 2017-06-17
Buster  - 2019-07-06

Linux Kernel Release Dates
--------------------------
v4.4  - 2016-01-10
v4.19 - 2018-10-18


[0] https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/
[1] https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/
[2] https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/
[3] https://www.kernel.org/category/releases.html

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* Re: [cip-dev] CIP Core target EOL dates
  2020-04-09  6:04 ` masashi.kudo
@ 2020-04-10  2:02   ` punit1.agrawal
  2020-04-10  3:00     ` masashi.kudo
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread
From: punit1.agrawal @ 2020-04-10  2:02 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: masashi.kudo; +Cc: cip-dev, daniel.sangorrin, kazuhiro3.hayashi

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Hello Kudo-san,

Thanks for your comments.

"masashi.kudo@cybertrust.co.jp" <masashi.kudo@cybertrust.co.jp> writes:

> Hi, Punit-san,
>
> Thanks for initiating the discussion.
>
> Regarding the EOL of "v4.19" x "Debian Buster", it should be
> "2029-01-11" if we follow the following rule.
>
>>     earlier of (Kernel, Debian) release date + 10 yrs

For the calculation, I used the upstream kernel release date as
reference but we can use CIP kernel release dates from your slides.

I wasn't sure if CIP maintenance is based on upstream release or CIP
release.

With that update, the proposed dates look like -

+----------+--------------+--------------+--------------+
|          |   Debian 8   |   Debian 9   |  Debian 10   |
|          |    Jessie    |   Stretch    |    Buster    |
|  Kernel  |              |              |              |
+----------+--------------+--------------+--------------+
|   v4.4   |  2025-04-26  |  2026-01-10  |              |
+----------+--------------+--------------+--------------+
|  v4.19   |              |  2027-01-17  |  2029-01-11  |
+----------+--------------+--------------+--------------+

Note: There's a typo in my original mail - for Debian Buster (v4.19) the
EOL date should've been 2029-10-18.

[...]

>> Ideally, the dates for the Core components should be aligned with CIP
>> maintained kernels but there doesn't seem to be any public
>> documentation for the CIP kernel EOL dates. Let me know if this is
>> written down somewhere.
>
> The projected EOLs are stated in the above document.
> Regarding the web site, I noticed that the following page is not updated.
>
> https://wiki.linuxfoundation.org/civilinfrastructureplatform/cipkernelmaintenance
>
> I will discuss this inside the kernel team.

Thanks. It would be good to publish the information on CIP website. It's
easier to find and reference.

Once agreed, we should do the same for Core components as well.

Thanks,
Punit


[...]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: cip-dev@lists.cip-project.org <cip-dev@lists.cip-project.org> On Behalf Of punit1.agrawal@toshiba.co.jp
> Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2020 2:27 PM
> To: cip-dev@lists.cip-project.org
> Cc: Daniel Sangorrin <daniel.sangorrin@toshiba.co.jp>; Kazuhiro Hayashi <kazuhiro3.hayashi@toshiba.co.jp>
> Subject: [cip-dev] CIP Core target EOL dates
>
> Hi,
>
> CIP is planning to support the Kernels + Debian Rootfs combinations marked with 'x' in the table below.
>
> +----------+----------+-----------+-----------+
> |          | Debian 8 | Debian 9  | Debian 10 |
> |          |  Jessie  |  Stretch  |  Buster   |
> |  Kernel  |          |           |           |
> +----------+----------+-----------+-----------+
> |   v4.4   |    x     |     x     |           |
> +----------+----------+-----------+-----------+
> |  v4.19   |          |     x     |     x     |
> +----------+----------+-----------+-----------+
>
> So far, the details of when the support is expected to end haven't been explicitly called out for Core components. It would be good to rectify this in order to set expectations and gather feedback from the user community.
>
> In addition, it will be helpful in estimating the required effort and planning to resource the projects appropriately.
>
> To start the conversation, I would like to propose the following target EOL dates for each of the supported combination.
>
> Note: All the dates are in YYYY-MM-DD format
>
> +----------+--------------+--------------+--------------+
> |          |   Debian 8   |   Debian 9   |  Debian 10   |
> |          |    Jessie    |   Stretch    |    Buster    |
> |  Kernel  |              |              |              |
> +----------+--------------+--------------+--------------+
> |   v4.4   |  2025-04-26  |  2026-01-10  |              |
> +----------+--------------+--------------+--------------+
> |  v4.19   |              |  2027-06-17  |  2019-10-18  |
> +----------+--------------+--------------+--------------+
>
> The proposed dates have been calculated as
>
>     earlier of (Kernel, Debian) release date + 10 yrs
>
> The choice of duration (10 yrs) is arbitrary and should be adjusted based on requirement and available resources. Also, some of the combinations could be dropped if there are no users for them.
>
> Ideally, the dates for the Core components should be aligned with CIP maintained kernels but there doesn't seem to be any public documentation for the CIP kernel EOL dates. Let me know if this is written down somewhere.
>
> All feedback welcome.
>
> Thanks,
> Punit
>
>
> The relevant Debian[0][1][2] and Kernel[3] release dates are copied below for reference.
>
> Debian Release Dates
> --------------------
> Jessie  - 2015-04-26
> Stretch - 2017-06-17
> Buster  - 2019-07-06
>
> Linux Kernel Release Dates
> --------------------------
> v4.4  - 2016-01-10
> v4.19 - 2018-10-18
>
>
> [0] https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/
> [1] https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/
> [2] https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/
> [3] https://www.kernel.org/category/releases.html
>
> 

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* Re: [cip-dev] CIP Core target EOL dates
  2020-04-10  2:02   ` punit1.agrawal
@ 2020-04-10  3:00     ` masashi.kudo
  2020-04-10  6:25       ` punit1.agrawal
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From: masashi.kudo @ 2020-04-10  3:00 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: punit1.agrawal; +Cc: cip-dev, daniel.sangorrin, kazuhiro3.hayashi

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Hi, Punit-san,

I also calculated, and my conclusion is the following.

Debian
- Jessie		2015-04-26
- Stretch 	2017-06-17
- Buster		2019-07-06
CIP SLTS Kernel
- SLTS4.4	2017-01-17
- SLTS4.19	2019-01-11
* https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1R2r7_hVijKN1VTuVc92IE4U94p9AUU90bMFUoGRroUI/edit?pli=1#slide=id.p7

Combination	Earlier date btw two
---------------------------------------
4.4 x Jessie	2015-04-26 -> EOL: 2025-04-26
4.4 x Stretch	2017-01-17 -> EOL: 2027-01-17
4.19 x Stretch	2017-06-17 -> EOL: 2027-06-17
4.19 x Buster	2019-01-11 -> EOL: 2029-01-11

+----------+--------------+--------------+--------------+
|          |   Debian 8   |   Debian 9   |  Debian 10   |
|   SLTS   |    Jessie    |   Stretch    |    Buster    |
|  Kernel  |              |              |              |
+----------+--------------+--------------+--------------+
|   v4.4   |  2025-04-26  |  2027-01-17  |              |
+----------+--------------+--------------+--------------+
|  v4.19   |              |  2027-06-17  |  2029-01-11  |
+----------+--------------+--------------+--------------+

By doing this, I felt dizzy... :) So I would appreciate it if you can double-check.

Best regards,
--
M. Kudo

-----Original Message-----
From: Punit Agrawal <punit1.agrawal@toshiba.co.jp> 
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2020 11:02 AM
To: 工藤 雅司(CTJ OSS事業推進室) <masashi.kudo@cybertrust.co.jp>
Cc: cip-dev@lists.cip-project.org; daniel.sangorrin@toshiba.co.jp; kazuhiro3.hayashi@toshiba.co.jp
Subject: Re: [cip-dev] CIP Core target EOL dates

Hello Kudo-san,

Thanks for your comments.

"masashi.kudo@cybertrust.co.jp" <masashi.kudo@cybertrust.co.jp> writes:

> Hi, Punit-san,
>
> Thanks for initiating the discussion.
>
> Regarding the EOL of "v4.19" x "Debian Buster", it should be 
> "2029-01-11" if we follow the following rule.
>
>>     earlier of (Kernel, Debian) release date + 10 yrs

For the calculation, I used the upstream kernel release date as reference but we can use CIP kernel release dates from your slides.

I wasn't sure if CIP maintenance is based on upstream release or CIP release.

With that update, the proposed dates look like -

+----------+--------------+--------------+--------------+
|          |   Debian 8   |   Debian 9   |  Debian 10   |
|          |    Jessie    |   Stretch    |    Buster    |
|  Kernel  |              |              |              |
+----------+--------------+--------------+--------------+
|   v4.4   |  2025-04-26  |  2026-01-10  |              |
+----------+--------------+--------------+--------------+
|  v4.19   |              |  2027-01-17  |  2029-01-11  |
+----------+--------------+--------------+--------------+

Note: There's a typo in my original mail - for Debian Buster (v4.19) the EOL date should've been 2029-10-18.

[...]

>> Ideally, the dates for the Core components should be aligned with CIP 
>> maintained kernels but there doesn't seem to be any public 
>> documentation for the CIP kernel EOL dates. Let me know if this is 
>> written down somewhere.
>
> The projected EOLs are stated in the above document.
> Regarding the web site, I noticed that the following page is not updated.
>
> https://wiki.linuxfoundation.org/civilinfrastructureplatform/cipkernel
> maintenance
>
> I will discuss this inside the kernel team.

Thanks. It would be good to publish the information on CIP website. It's easier to find and reference.

Once agreed, we should do the same for Core components as well.

Thanks,
Punit


[...]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: cip-dev@lists.cip-project.org <cip-dev@lists.cip-project.org> On 
> Behalf Of punit1.agrawal@toshiba.co.jp
> Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2020 2:27 PM
> To: cip-dev@lists.cip-project.org
> Cc: Daniel Sangorrin <daniel.sangorrin@toshiba.co.jp>; Kazuhiro 
> Hayashi <kazuhiro3.hayashi@toshiba.co.jp>
> Subject: [cip-dev] CIP Core target EOL dates
>
> Hi,
>
> CIP is planning to support the Kernels + Debian Rootfs combinations marked with 'x' in the table below.
>
> +----------+----------+-----------+-----------+
> |          | Debian 8 | Debian 9  | Debian 10 |
> |          |  Jessie  |  Stretch  |  Buster   |
> |  Kernel  |          |           |           |
> +----------+----------+-----------+-----------+
> |   v4.4   |    x     |     x     |           |
> +----------+----------+-----------+-----------+
> |  v4.19   |          |     x     |     x     |
> +----------+----------+-----------+-----------+
>
> So far, the details of when the support is expected to end haven't been explicitly called out for Core components. It would be good to rectify this in order to set expectations and gather feedback from the user community.
>
> In addition, it will be helpful in estimating the required effort and planning to resource the projects appropriately.
>
> To start the conversation, I would like to propose the following target EOL dates for each of the supported combination.
>
> Note: All the dates are in YYYY-MM-DD format
>
> +----------+--------------+--------------+--------------+
> |          |   Debian 8   |   Debian 9   |  Debian 10   |
> |          |    Jessie    |   Stretch    |    Buster    |
> |  Kernel  |              |              |              |
> +----------+--------------+--------------+--------------+
> |   v4.4   |  2025-04-26  |  2026-01-10  |              |
> +----------+--------------+--------------+--------------+
> |  v4.19   |              |  2027-06-17  |  2019-10-18  |
> +----------+--------------+--------------+--------------+
>
> The proposed dates have been calculated as
>
>     earlier of (Kernel, Debian) release date + 10 yrs
>
> The choice of duration (10 yrs) is arbitrary and should be adjusted based on requirement and available resources. Also, some of the combinations could be dropped if there are no users for them.
>
> Ideally, the dates for the Core components should be aligned with CIP maintained kernels but there doesn't seem to be any public documentation for the CIP kernel EOL dates. Let me know if this is written down somewhere.
>
> All feedback welcome.
>
> Thanks,
> Punit
>
>
> The relevant Debian[0][1][2] and Kernel[3] release dates are copied below for reference.
>
> Debian Release Dates
> --------------------
> Jessie  - 2015-04-26
> Stretch - 2017-06-17
> Buster  - 2019-07-06
>
> Linux Kernel Release Dates
> --------------------------
> v4.4  - 2016-01-10
> v4.19 - 2018-10-18
>
>
> [0] https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/
> [1] https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/
> [2] https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/
> [3] https://www.kernel.org/category/releases.html
>
> 

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* Re: [cip-dev] CIP Core target EOL dates
  2020-04-10  3:00     ` masashi.kudo
@ 2020-04-10  6:25       ` punit1.agrawal
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  To: masashi.kudo; +Cc: cip-dev, daniel.sangorrin, kazuhiro3.hayashi

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Hi Kudo-san,

"masashi.kudo@cybertrust.co.jp" <masashi.kudo@cybertrust.co.jp> writes:

> Hi, Punit-san,
>
> I also calculated, and my conclusion is the following.
>
> Debian
> - Jessie		2015-04-26
> - Stretch 		2017-06-17
> - Buster		2019-07-06
> CIP SLTS Kernel
> - SLTS4.4	2017-01-17
> - SLTS4.19	2019-01-11
> * https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1R2r7_hVijKN1VTuVc92IE4U94p9AUU90bMFUoGRroUI/edit?pli=1#slide=id.p7
>
> Combination	Earlier date btw two
> ---------------------------------------
> 4.4 x Jessie	2015-04-26 -> EOL: 2025-04-26
> 4.4 x Stretch	2017-01-17 -> EOL: 2027-01-17
> 4.19 x Stretch	2017-06-17 -> EOL: 2027-06-17
> 4.19 x Buster	2019-01-11 -> EOL: 2029-01-11

> +----------+--------------+--------------+--------------+
> |          |   Debian 8   |   Debian 9   |  Debian 10   |
> |   SLTS   |    Jessie    |   Stretch    |    Buster    |
> |  Kernel  |              |              |              |
> +----------+--------------+--------------+--------------+
> |   v4.4   |  2025-04-26  |  2027-01-17  |              |
> +----------+--------------+--------------+--------------+
> |  v4.19   |              |  2027-06-17  |  2029-01-11  |
> +----------+--------------+--------------+--------------+
>
> By doing this, I felt dizzy... :) So I would appreciate it if you can
> double-check.

I definitely went through it a couple of times and still made an obvious
mistake. Thanks for re-calculating and checking. The two sets match so I
am happy to accept them.

Let's wait to see if there is any more feedback on duration of support
or the methodology. We can then move to the next steps.

Thanks,
Punit

>
> Best regards,
> --
> M. Kudo
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Punit Agrawal <punit1.agrawal@toshiba.co.jp> 
> Sent: Friday, April 10, 2020 11:02 AM
> To: 工藤 雅司(CTJ OSS事業推進室) <masashi.kudo@cybertrust.co.jp>
> Cc: cip-dev@lists.cip-project.org; daniel.sangorrin@toshiba.co.jp; kazuhiro3.hayashi@toshiba.co.jp
> Subject: Re: [cip-dev] CIP Core target EOL dates
>
> Hello Kudo-san,
>
> Thanks for your comments.
>
> "masashi.kudo@cybertrust.co.jp" <masashi.kudo@cybertrust.co.jp> writes:
>
>> Hi, Punit-san,
>>
>> Thanks for initiating the discussion.
>>
>> Regarding the EOL of "v4.19" x "Debian Buster", it should be 
>> "2029-01-11" if we follow the following rule.
>>
>>>     earlier of (Kernel, Debian) release date + 10 yrs
>
> For the calculation, I used the upstream kernel release date as reference but we can use CIP kernel release dates from your slides.
>
> I wasn't sure if CIP maintenance is based on upstream release or CIP release.
>
> With that update, the proposed dates look like -
>
> +----------+--------------+--------------+--------------+
> |          |   Debian 8   |   Debian 9   |  Debian 10   |
> |          |    Jessie    |   Stretch    |    Buster    |
> |  Kernel  |              |              |              |
> +----------+--------------+--------------+--------------+
> |   v4.4   |  2025-04-26  |  2026-01-10  |              |
> +----------+--------------+--------------+--------------+
> |  v4.19   |              |  2027-01-17  |  2029-01-11  |
> +----------+--------------+--------------+--------------+
>
> Note: There's a typo in my original mail - for Debian Buster (v4.19) the EOL date should've been 2029-10-18.
>
> [...]
>
>>> Ideally, the dates for the Core components should be aligned with CIP 
>>> maintained kernels but there doesn't seem to be any public 
>>> documentation for the CIP kernel EOL dates. Let me know if this is 
>>> written down somewhere.
>>
>> The projected EOLs are stated in the above document.
>> Regarding the web site, I noticed that the following page is not updated.
>>
>> https://wiki.linuxfoundation.org/civilinfrastructureplatform/cipkernel
>> maintenance
>>
>> I will discuss this inside the kernel team.
>
> Thanks. It would be good to publish the information on CIP website. It's easier to find and reference.
>
> Once agreed, we should do the same for Core components as well.
>
> Thanks,
> Punit
>
>
> [...]
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: cip-dev@lists.cip-project.org <cip-dev@lists.cip-project.org> On 
>> Behalf Of punit1.agrawal@toshiba.co.jp
>> Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2020 2:27 PM
>> To: cip-dev@lists.cip-project.org
>> Cc: Daniel Sangorrin <daniel.sangorrin@toshiba.co.jp>; Kazuhiro 
>> Hayashi <kazuhiro3.hayashi@toshiba.co.jp>
>> Subject: [cip-dev] CIP Core target EOL dates
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> CIP is planning to support the Kernels + Debian Rootfs combinations marked with 'x' in the table below.
>>
>> +----------+----------+-----------+-----------+
>> |          | Debian 8 | Debian 9  | Debian 10 |
>> |          |  Jessie  |  Stretch  |  Buster   |
>> |  Kernel  |          |           |           |
>> +----------+----------+-----------+-----------+
>> |   v4.4   |    x     |     x     |           |
>> +----------+----------+-----------+-----------+
>> |  v4.19   |          |     x     |     x     |
>> +----------+----------+-----------+-----------+
>>
>> So far, the details of when the support is expected to end haven't been explicitly called out for Core components. It would be good to rectify this in order to set expectations and gather feedback from the user community.
>>
>> In addition, it will be helpful in estimating the required effort and planning to resource the projects appropriately.
>>
>> To start the conversation, I would like to propose the following target EOL dates for each of the supported combination.
>>
>> Note: All the dates are in YYYY-MM-DD format
>>
>> +----------+--------------+--------------+--------------+
>> |          |   Debian 8   |   Debian 9   |  Debian 10   |
>> |          |    Jessie    |   Stretch    |    Buster    |
>> |  Kernel  |              |              |              |
>> +----------+--------------+--------------+--------------+
>> |   v4.4   |  2025-04-26  |  2026-01-10  |              |
>> +----------+--------------+--------------+--------------+
>> |  v4.19   |              |  2027-06-17  |  2019-10-18  |
>> +----------+--------------+--------------+--------------+
>>
>> The proposed dates have been calculated as
>>
>>     earlier of (Kernel, Debian) release date + 10 yrs
>>
>> The choice of duration (10 yrs) is arbitrary and should be adjusted based on requirement and available resources. Also, some of the combinations could be dropped if there are no users for them.
>>
>> Ideally, the dates for the Core components should be aligned with CIP maintained kernels but there doesn't seem to be any public documentation for the CIP kernel EOL dates. Let me know if this is written down somewhere.
>>
>> All feedback welcome.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Punit
>>
>>
>> The relevant Debian[0][1][2] and Kernel[3] release dates are copied below for reference.
>>
>> Debian Release Dates
>> --------------------
>> Jessie  - 2015-04-26
>> Stretch - 2017-06-17
>> Buster  - 2019-07-06
>>
>> Linux Kernel Release Dates
>> --------------------------
>> v4.4  - 2016-01-10
>> v4.19 - 2018-10-18
>>
>>
>> [0] https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/
>> [1] https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/
>> [2] https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/
>> [3] https://www.kernel.org/category/releases.html
>>
>> 
>
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