* GTI TAC Meeting Notes 2022-11-09
@ 2022-11-09 17:47 Carlos O'Donell
2022-11-09 18:28 ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2022-11-09 19:08 ` Jeff Law
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From: Carlos O'Donell @ 2022-11-09 17:47 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: gti-tac
GTI TAC Meeting Notes 2022-11-09
Meeting URL: https://8x8.vc/gti-infrastructure/gti-tac
- Using FOSS Jitsi hosted by 8x8's Meet service.
- No scalability issues.
- Jose had video issues.
IRC on OFTC #gti-tac.
Technical issues:
- Unable to login to 8x8's systems and authenticate as moderator
- Timeout from sign-on systems.
- Unable to "record" the meeting, instead Carlos took quick notes
on the discussion as it happened. These notes are inaccurate
or even misleading, please take them with a grain of salt and
reply to correct them if required :-)
Agenda:
The agenda for the GTI TAC meeting would be to
discuss the next steps for the current proposal:
the GNU Toolchain moving to managed infrastructure
at the LF IT. We could additionally discuss some of
the mechanics of the TAC, like where we'll put our
documents, notes
Present:
Joseph Myers
Jose Marchesi
Nick Clifton
Siddhesh Poyarekar
Frank Ch. Eigler
David Edelsohn
Simon Marchi
Carlos O'Donell
Regrets:
Joel Broebecker
Agenda:
- Discussing the mechanics of TAC documents.
- git site / read-the-docs or sphinx
- Get access to TAC for that.
- ssh keys for gitolite
- Domain for the GTI.
- Joseph notes gti-tac.org is available
- David suggests using a more general domain
- Jose notes is this for all of the projects or just GTI
- Carlos notes that this would be for GTI
- Ask LF IT to set that up.
- TAC mechanics
- Simon: Could we use this domain for services?
- David: There is a distinction here between GTI and the
services GTI offers.
- David: Have a number of domains:
- Have gnutoolchain.org
- Have gnutools.org
- David: There is a longer discussion about trademark for GNU
- Siddhesh: Could we just use some of the LF and OpenSSF stuff?
- David: Some of that could be non-FOSS
- Siddhesh: Do we have concerns about non-FOSS for the TAC?
- David: Yes.
- Siddhesh: Yes, a simple solution would work.
- David: Also have.
- toolchains.dev
- tollchain-infrastructure.org
- Regarding the GNU Toolchain infrastrucutre at the LF IT proposal
- Next steps?
- Create a working group.
- Detailed assessment of the current technoloyg and services.
- Enumerate the features.
- Wether the GTI TAC or subgroup, working with the LF IT
- Use the more detailed list to do the analysis and sizing
of effort and expense for:
- Steady state provisioning of the services.
- Transitioning the services.
- With that plan and budget, the GTI TAC votes on that.
- Plan goes out for review.
- Jose: Do I have your permission to be a little bit naive here.
- The GNU Toolchain projects are GNU projects.
- The projects have had a historical process.
- How do we make that decision?
- Carlos: That would be for the GNU Toolchain projects to decide that.
- David: Yes, this needs to go out to those projects to make their decisions.
- Jose: That's clear.
- Siddhesh: Yes, there is a bit of word soup here. The "Leadership" is the
general term here because multiple projects use different nomenclature.
- Joseph: Details of LF services.
- Each of the individual cron jobs run by gccadmin
- What do those services do.
- What are their inputs and ouputs.
- Similarly we need to understand which ways the git hooks come in and out.
- Anonymous rsync.
- Readonly svn, cvs.
- Misc. legacy.
- Scripts that update regression markers via direct SQL access.
- David: Completely agree with you Joseph.
- Carlos: Before changing the topic. Jose did we answer that topic?
- Jose: Yes, just raising this because of controversy and a desire for clarity.
- Carlos: Absolutely, that makes sense. More clarity is good.
- David: A concrete step. Consensus of next steps?
- Refine the proposal by enumerating services.
- Carlos: Agree on setting up a working group.
- I would want to be on the one for glibc to enumerate services.
- David: We need the enumeration of current services in detail.
- There are two here.
- Siddhesh: Does it make sense to have an in-principle vote early?
- Have the GNU Toolchain leadership endorse the exploration?
- David: The support letter is sufficient to indicate the direction.
- Siddhesh: Jeff Law mentioned voting.
- Carlos: Yes, for the final decision to move, the projects must make that decision.
- Create working group to enumerate project services.
- Jose: Agree. It would be useful.
- Nick: Agree.
- Simon: Agree. Not much experience.
- David: Agree.
- Frank:
- Note: Frank was muted and did not appear to unmute, or be on IRC.
- Joseph: Agree. Nothing to add. Important first step.
- Siddhesh: Agree. Its good. I can help out with services like patchwork.
- Carlos: Agree. Like Jose said, having this is an important task for any project.
- Action items:
- Create the working group via GTI TAC mailing list discussion.
- Identify members.
- Initial taks of the WG is to enumerate existing services.
- Create GTI TAC website with storage for notes and meetings.
- Done via GTI TAC mailing list discussion.
--
Cheers,
Carlos.
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* Re: GTI TAC Meeting Notes 2022-11-09
2022-11-09 17:47 GTI TAC Meeting Notes 2022-11-09 Carlos O'Donell
@ 2022-11-09 18:28 ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
[not found] ` <874jv7x384.fsf@gnu.org>
2022-11-09 19:08 ` Jeff Law
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From: Siddhesh Poyarekar @ 2022-11-09 18:28 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Carlos O'Donell, gti-tac
On 2022-11-09 12:47, Carlos O'Donell wrote:
> - Siddhesh: Could we just use some of the LF and OpenSSF stuff?
> - David: Some of that could be non-FOSS
> - Siddhesh: Do we have concerns about non-FOSS for the TAC?
Specifically, I wanted to know if reusing their github project
namespaces was acceptable.
> - David: Yes.
> - Siddhesh: Yes, a simple solution would work.
> - David: Also have.
> - toolchains.dev
> - tollchain-infrastructure.org
> - Regarding the GNU Toolchain infrastrucutre at the LF IT proposal
> - Next steps?
> - Create a working group.
> - Detailed assessment of the current technoloyg and services.
> - Enumerate the features.
> - Wether the GTI TAC or subgroup, working with the LF IT
> - Use the more detailed list to do the analysis and sizing
> of effort and expense for:
> - Steady state provisioning of the services.
> - Transitioning the services.
> - With that plan and budget, the GTI TAC votes on that.
> - Plan goes out for review.
> - Jose: Do I have your permission to be a little bit naive here.
> - The GNU Toolchain projects are GNU projects.
> - The projects have had a historical process.
> - How do we make that decision?
> - Carlos: That would be for the GNU Toolchain projects to decide that.
> - David: Yes, this needs to go out to those projects to make their decisions.
> - Jose: That's clear.
> - Siddhesh: Yes, there is a bit of word soup here. The "Leadership" is the
> general term here because multiple projects use different nomenclature.
To add some more detail (since this question has come up multiple times
in previous years), we have:
- gcc: GCC Steering committee as the GNU/FSF representatives
- glibc: FSF Stewards. GNU maintainers (i.e. on Savannah) don't have
special powers in this context
- gdb: FSF appointed GDB Maintainers
- binutils: Nick and Alan (what do y'all call yourselves? The GNU
maintainer list on savannah looks different :) )
Sid
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* Re: GTI TAC Meeting Notes 2022-11-09
2022-11-09 17:47 GTI TAC Meeting Notes 2022-11-09 Carlos O'Donell
2022-11-09 18:28 ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
@ 2022-11-09 19:08 ` Jeff Law
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From: Jeff Law @ 2022-11-09 19:08 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Carlos O'Donell, gti-tac
On 11/9/22 10:47, Carlos O'Donell wrote:
> GTI TAC Meeting Notes 2022-11-09
[ ... ]
THanks. I'll review these over the next couple days. I thought I was
going to be able to make it this morning, but a medical issue got in the
way (I'm going to be fine).
Jeff
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