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From: Jeff Layton <jlayton@kernel.org>
To: Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>
Cc: "Arnd Bergmann" <arnd@arndb.de>,
	"Alexander Viro" <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	"Linus Torvalds" <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
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	"Ian Kent" <raven@themaw.net>,
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	"Jeffle Xu" <jefflexu@linux.alibaba.com>,
	"Namjae Jeon" <linkinjeon@kernel.org>,
	"Sungjong Seo" <sj1557.seo@samsung.com>,
	"Jan Kara" <jack@suse.com>,
	"Andreas Dilger" <adilger.kernel@dilger.ca>,
	"Jaegeuk Kim" <jaegeuk@kernel.org>,
	"OGAWA Hirofumi" <hirofumi@mail.parknet.co.jp>,
	"Christoph Hellwig" <hch@infradead.org>,
	"Miklos Szeredi" <miklos@szeredi.hu>,
	"Bob Peterson" <rpeterso@redhat.com>,
	"Andreas Gruenbacher" <agruenba@redhat.com>,
	"Richard Weinberger" <richard@nod.at>,
	"Anton Ivanov" <anton.ivanov@cambridgegreys.com>,
	"Johannes Berg" <johannes@sipsolutions.net>,
	"Mikulas Patocka" <mikulas@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz>,
	"Mike Kravetz" <mike.kravetz@oracle.com>,
	"Muchun Song" <muchun.song@linux.dev>, "Jan Kara" <jack@suse.cz>,
	"David Woodhouse" <dwmw2@infradead.org>,
	"Dave Kleikamp" <shaggy@kernel.org>, "Tejun Heo" <tj@kernel.org>,
	"Trond Myklebust" <trond.myklebust@hammerspace.com>,
	"Anna Schumaker" <anna@kernel.org>,
	"Chuck Lever" <chuck.lever@oracle.com>,
	"Neil Brown" <neilb@suse.de>,
	"Olga Kornievskaia" <kolga@netapp.com>,
	"Dai Ngo" <Dai.Ngo@oracle.com>, "Tom Talpey" <tom@talpey.com>,
	"Ryusuke Konishi" <konishi.ryusuke@gmail.com>,
	"Anton Altaparmakov" <anton@tuxera.com>,
	"Konstantin Komarov" <almaz.alexandrovich@paragon-software.com>,
	"Mark Fasheh" <mark@fasheh.com>,
	"Joseph Qi" <joseph.qi@linux.alibaba.com>,
	"Bob Copeland" <me@bobcopeland.com>,
	"Mike Marshall" <hubcap@omnibond.com>,
	"Martin Brandenburg" <martin@omnibond.com>,
	"Luis Chamberlain" <mcgrof@kernel.org>,
	"Iurii Zaikin" <yzaikin@google.com>,
	"Tony Luck" <tony.luck@intel.com>,
	"Guilherme G. Piccoli" <gpiccoli@igalia.com>,
	"Anders Larsen" <al@alarsen.net>,
	"Steve French" <sfrench@samba.org>,
	"Paulo Alcantara" <pc@manguebit.com>,
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	"Shyam Prasad N" <sprasad@microsoft.com>,
	"Sergey Senozhatsky" <senozhatsky@chromium.org>,
	"Phillip Lougher" <phillip@squashfs.org.uk>,
	"Steven Rostedt" <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	"Masami Hiramatsu" <mhiramat@kernel.org>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 86/87] fs: switch timespec64 fields in inode to discrete integers
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2023 06:16:57 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <d52b4330cd26e8ef9b2999281b05e50bd7106b3a.camel@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20230929-yuppie-unzweifelhaft-434bf13bc964@brauner>

On Fri, 2023-09-29 at 11:44 +0200, Christian Brauner wrote:
> > It is a lot of churn though.
> 
> I think that i_{a,c,m}time shouldn't be accessed directly by
> filesystems same as no filesystem should really access i_{g,u}id which
> we also provide i_{g,u}id_{read,write}() accessors for. The mode is
> another example where really most often should use helpers because of all
> the set*id stripping that we need to do (and the bugs that we had
> because of this...).
> 
> The interdependency between ctime and mtime is enough to hide this in
> accessors. The other big advantage is simply grepability. So really I
> would like to see this change even without the type switch.
> 
> In other words, there's no need to lump the two changes together. Do the
> conversion part and we can argue about the switch to discrete integers
> separately.
> 
> The other adavantage is that we have a cycle to see any possible
> regression from the conversion.
> 
> Thoughts anyone?

That works for me, and sort of what I was planning anyway. I mostly just
did the change to timestamp storage to see what it would look like
afterward.

FWIW, I'm planning to do a v2 patchbomb early next week, with the
changes that Chuck suggested (specific helpers for fetching the _sec and
_nsec fields). For now, I'll drop the change from timespec64 to discrete
fields. We can do that in a separate follow-on set.
-- 
Jeff Layton <jlayton@kernel.org>

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From: Jeff Layton <jlayton@kernel.org>
To: Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>
Cc: "Latchesar Ionkov" <lucho@ionkov.net>,
	"Konstantin Komarov" <almaz.alexandrovich@paragon-software.com>,
	"Rafael J . Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org>,
	"Darrick J. Wong" <djwong@kernel.org>,
	"Anders Larsen" <al@alarsen.net>,
	"Carlos Llamas" <cmllamas@google.com>,
	"Andrii Nakryiko" <andrii@kernel.org>,
	"Mattia Dongili" <malattia@linux.it>,
	"Hugh Dickins" <hughd@google.com>,
	"John Johansen" <john.johansen@canonical.com>,
	"Yonghong Song" <yonghong.song@linux.dev>,
	"Alexander Gordeev" <agordeev@linux.ibm.com>,
	"Christoph Hellwig" <hch@lst.de>,
	"Mike Marshall" <hubcap@omnibond.com>,
	"Paulo Alcantara" <pc@manguebit.com>,
	linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org,
	"Michael Ellerman" <mpe@ellerman.id.au>,
	"James Morris" <jmorris@namei.org>,
	"Christophe Leroy" <christophe.leroy@csgroup.eu>,
	"Christoph Hellwig" <hch@infradead.org>,
	"Christian Borntraeger" <borntraeger@linux.ibm.com>,
	devel@lists.orangefs.org,
	"Shyam Prasad N" <sprasad@microsoft.com>,
	linux-um@lists.infradead.org,
	"Nicholas Piggin" <npiggin@gmail.com>,
	"Alexander Viro" <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	"Eric Van Hensbergen" <ericvh@kernel.org>,
	"Suren Baghdasaryan" <surenb@google.com>,
	"Trond Myklebust" <trond.myklebust@hammerspace.com>,
	"Anton Altaparmakov" <anton@tuxera.com>,
	"Greg Kroah-Hartman" <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	"Stephen Smalley" <stephen.smalley.work@gmail.com>,
	linux-usb@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	"Ronnie Sahlberg" <lsahlber@redhat.com>,
	"Sergey Senozhatsky" <senozhatsky@chromium.org>,
	"Arve Hjønnevåg" <arve@android.com>,
	"Chuck Lever" <chuck.lever@oracle.com>,
	"Sven Schnelle" <svens@linux.ibm.com>,
	"Jiri Olsa" <jolsa@kernel.org>, "Jan Kara" <jack@suse.com>,
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	"Dave Kleikamp" <shaggy@kernel.org>,
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	"Eric Dumazet" <edumazet@google.com>,
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	"Luis Chamberlain" <mcgrof@kernel.org>,
	codalist@coda.cs.cmu.edu, "Iurii Zaikin" <yzaikin@google.com>,
	"Namjae Jeon" <linkinjeon@kernel.org>,
	"Masami Hiramatsu" <mhiramat@kernel.org>,
	"Todd Kjos" <tkjos@android.com>,
	"Vasily Gorbik" <gor@linux.ibm.com>,
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	"Miklos Szeredi" <miklos@szeredi.hu>,
	"Yue Hu" <huyue2@coolpad.com>, "Jaegeuk Kim" <jaegeuk@kernel.org>,
	"Martijn Coenen" <maco@android.com>,
	"OGAWA Hirofumi" <hirofumi@mail.parknet.co.jp>,
	"Hao Luo" <haoluo@google.com>, "Tony Luck" <tony.luck@intel.com>,
	"Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>,
	"Nicolas Pitre" <nico@fluxnic.net>,
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	"Guilherme G. Piccoli" <gpiccoli@igalia.com>,
	gfs2@lists.linux.dev, "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
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	"Brad Warrum" <bwarrum@linux.ibm.com>,
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	linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org, coda@cs.cmu.edu,
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	"Ilya Dryomov" <idryomov@gmail.com>,
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	"Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@hallyn.com>,
	"Christian Schoenebeck" <linux_oss@crudebyte.com>,
	"Kees Cook" <keescook@chromium.org>,
	"Arnd Bergmann" <arnd@arndb.de>,
	autofs@vger.kernel.org, "Steven Rostedt" <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	"Mark Gross" <markgross@kernel.org>,
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	"Eric Paris" <eparis@parisplace.org>,
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	"Jan Harkes" <jaharkes@cs.cmu.edu>,
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	"Song Liu" <song@kernel.org>,
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	"Steve French" <sfrench@samba.org>, "Jeremy Kerr" <jk@ozlabs.org>,
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	"Neil Brown" <neilb@suse.de>,
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	"Amir Goldstein" <amir73il@gmail.com>,
	"Bob Copeland" <me@bobcopeland.com>,
	"KP Singh" <kpsingh@kernel.org>,
	linux-unionfs@vger.kernel.org,
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	"Joseph Qi" <joseph.qi@linux.alibaba.com>,
	"Andreas Dilger" <adilger.kernel@dilger.ca>,
	"Mikulas Patocka" <mikulas@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz>,
	"Ard Biesheuvel" <ardb@kernel.org>,
	"Anton Ivanov" <anton.ivanov@cambridgegreys.com>,
	"Andreas Gruenbacher" <agruenba@redhat.com>,
	"Richard Weinberger" <richard@nod.at>,
	"Mark Fasheh" <mark@fasheh.com>, "Dai Ngo" <Dai.Ngo@oracle.com>,
	"Jason Gunthorpe" <jgg@ziepe.ca>,
	linux-serial@vger.kernel.org, "Jakub Kicinski" <kuba@kernel.org>,
	"Salah Triki" <salah.triki@gmail.com>,
	"Evgeniy Dushistov" <dushistov@mail.ru>,
	linux-cifs@vger.kernel.org, "Heiko Carstens" <hca@linux.ibm.com>,
	apparmor@lists.ubuntu.com, "Josef Bacik" <josef@toxicpanda.com>,
	"Tom Talpey" <tom@talpey.com>,
	"Hans de Goede" <hdegoede@redhat.com>,
	"Tigran A. Aivazian" <aivazian.tigran@gmail.com>,
	"David Sterba" <dsterba@suse.com>, "Xiubo Li" <xiubli@redhat.com>,
	"Ryusuke Konishi" <konishi.ryusuke@gmail.com>,
	"Johannes Thumshirn" <jth@kernel.org>,
	"Ritu Agarwal" <rituagar@linux.ibm.com>,
	"Luis de Bethencourt" <luisbg@kernel.org>,
	"Martin KaFai Lau" <martin.lau@linux.dev>,
	v9fs@lists.linux.dev, "David Sterba" <dsterba@suse.cz>,
	linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org,
	"Jeffle Xu" <jefflexu@linux.alibaba.com>,
	"Phillip Lougher" <phillip@squashfs.org.uk>,
	"Johannes Berg" <johannes@sipsolutions.net>,
	"Sungjong Seo" <sj1557.seo@samsung.com>,
	"David Woodhouse" <dwmw2@infradead.org>,
	linux-karma-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
	linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org, "Joel Becker" <jlbec@evilplan.org>
Subject: Re: [f2fs-dev] [PATCH 86/87] fs: switch timespec64 fields in inode to discrete integers
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2023 06:16:57 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <d52b4330cd26e8ef9b2999281b05e50bd7106b3a.camel@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20230929-yuppie-unzweifelhaft-434bf13bc964@brauner>

On Fri, 2023-09-29 at 11:44 +0200, Christian Brauner wrote:
> > It is a lot of churn though.
> 
> I think that i_{a,c,m}time shouldn't be accessed directly by
> filesystems same as no filesystem should really access i_{g,u}id which
> we also provide i_{g,u}id_{read,write}() accessors for. The mode is
> another example where really most often should use helpers because of all
> the set*id stripping that we need to do (and the bugs that we had
> because of this...).
> 
> The interdependency between ctime and mtime is enough to hide this in
> accessors. The other big advantage is simply grepability. So really I
> would like to see this change even without the type switch.
> 
> In other words, there's no need to lump the two changes together. Do the
> conversion part and we can argue about the switch to discrete integers
> separately.
> 
> The other adavantage is that we have a cycle to see any possible
> regression from the conversion.
> 
> Thoughts anyone?

That works for me, and sort of what I was planning anyway. I mostly just
did the change to timestamp storage to see what it would look like
afterward.

FWIW, I'm planning to do a v2 patchbomb early next week, with the
changes that Chuck suggested (specific helpers for fetching the _sec and
_nsec fields). For now, I'll drop the change from timespec64 to discrete
fields. We can do that in a separate follow-on set.
-- 
Jeff Layton <jlayton@kernel.org>


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WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Jeff Layton <jlayton@kernel.org>
To: Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>
Cc: "Arnd Bergmann" <arnd@arndb.de>,
	"Alexander Viro" <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	"Linus Torvalds" <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	"David Sterba" <dsterba@suse.cz>,
	"Amir Goldstein" <amir73il@gmail.com>,
	"Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>,
	"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	"Kees Cook" <keescook@chromium.org>,
	"Jeremy Kerr" <jk@ozlabs.org>,
	"Michael Ellerman" <mpe@ellerman.id.au>,
	"Nicholas Piggin" <npiggin@gmail.com>,
	"Christophe Leroy" <christophe.leroy@csgroup.eu>,
	"Heiko Carstens" <hca@linux.ibm.com>,
	"Vasily Gorbik" <gor@linux.ibm.com>,
	"Alexander Gordeev" <agordeev@linux.ibm.com>,
	"Christian Borntraeger" <borntraeger@linux.ibm.com>,
	"Sven Schnelle" <svens@linux.ibm.com>,
	"Greg Kroah-Hartman" <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	"Arve Hjønnevåg" <arve@android.com>,
	"Todd Kjos" <tkjos@android.com>,
	"Martijn Coenen" <maco@android.com>,
	"Joel Fernandes" <joel@joelfernandes.org>,
	"Carlos Llamas" <cmllamas@google.com>,
	"Suren Baghdasaryan" <surenb@google.com>,
	"Mattia Dongili" <malattia@linux.it>,
	"Dennis Dalessandro" <dennis.dalessandro@cornelisnetworks.com>,
	"Jason Gunthorpe" <jgg@ziepe.ca>,
	"Leon Romanovsky" <leon@kernel.org>,
	"Brad Warrum" <bwarrum@linux.ibm.com>,
	"Ritu Agarwal" <rituagar@linux.ibm.com>,
	"Hans de Goede" <hdegoede@redhat.com>,
	"Ilpo Järvinen" <ilpo.jarvinen@linux.intel.com>,
	"Mark Gross" <markgross@kernel.org>,
	"Jiri Slaby" <jirislaby@kernel.org>,
	"Eric Van Hensbergen" <ericvh@kernel.org>,
	"Latchesar Ionkov" <lucho@ionkov.net>,
	"Dominique Martinet" <asmadeus@codewreck.org>,
	"Christian Schoenebeck" <linux_oss@crudebyte.com>,
	"David Sterba" <dsterba@suse.com>,
	"David Howells" <dhowells@redhat.com>,
	"Marc Dionne" <marc.dionne@auristor.com>,
	"Ian Kent" <raven@themaw.net>,
	"Luis de Bethencourt" <luisbg@kernel.org>,
	"Salah Triki" <salah.triki@gmail.com>,
	"Tigran A. Aivazian" <aivazian.tigran@gmail.com>,
	"Chris Mason" <clm@fb.com>, "Josef Bacik" <josef@toxicpanda.com>,
	"Xiubo Li" <xiubli@redhat.com>,
	"Ilya Dryomov" <idryomov@gmail.com>,
	"Jan Harkes" <jaharkes@cs.cmu.edu>,
	coda@cs.cmu.edu, "Joel Becker" <jlbec@evilplan.org>,
	"Christoph Hellwig" <hch@lst.de>,
	"Nicolas Pitre" <nico@fluxnic.net>,
	"Rafael J . Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org>,
	"Ard Biesheuvel" <ardb@kernel.org>,
	"Gao Xiang" <xiang@kernel.org>, "Chao Yu" <chao@kernel.org>,
	"Yue Hu" <huyue2@coolpad.com>,
	"Jeffle Xu" <jefflexu@linux.alibaba.com>,
	"Namjae Jeon" <linkinjeon@kernel.org>,
	"Sungjong Seo" <sj1557.seo@samsung.com>,
	"Jan Kara" <jack@suse.com>,
	"Andreas Dilger" <adilger.kernel@dilger.ca>,
	"Jaegeuk Kim" <jaegeuk@kernel.org>,
	"OGAWA Hirofumi" <hirofumi@mail.parknet.co.jp>,
	"Christoph Hellwig" <hch@infradead.org>,
	"Miklos Szeredi" <miklos@szeredi.hu>,
	"Bob Peterson" <rpeterso@redhat.com>,
	"Andreas Gruenbacher" <agruenba@redhat.com>,
	"Richard Weinberger" <richard@nod.at>,
	"Anton Ivanov" <anton.ivanov@cambridgegreys.com>,
	"Johannes Berg" <johannes@sipsolutions.net>,
	"Mikulas Patocka" <mikulas@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz>,
	"Mike Kravetz" <mike.kravetz@oracle.com>,
	"Muchun Song" <muchun.song@linux.dev>, "Jan Kara" <jack@suse.cz>,
	"David Woodhouse" <dwmw2@infradead.org>,
	"Dave Kleikamp" <shaggy@kernel.org>, "Tejun Heo" <tj@kernel.org>,
	"Trond Myklebust" <trond.myklebust@hammerspace.com>,
	"Anna Schumaker" <anna@kernel.org>,
	"Chuck Lever" <chuck.lever@oracle.com>,
	"Neil Brown" <neilb@suse.de>,
	"Olga Kornievskaia" <kolga@netapp.com>,
	"Dai Ngo" <Dai.Ngo@oracle.com>, "Tom Talpey" <tom@talpey.com>,
	"Ryusuke Konishi" <konishi.ryusuke@gmail.com>,
	"Anton Altaparmakov" <anton@tuxera.com>,
	"Konstantin Komarov" <almaz.alexandrovich@paragon-software.com>,
	"Mark Fasheh" <mark@fasheh.com>,
	"Joseph Qi" <joseph.qi@linux.alibaba.com>,
	"Bob Copeland" <me@bobcopeland.com>,
	"Mike Marshall" <hubcap@omnibond.com>,
	"Martin Brandenburg" <martin@omnibond.com>,
	"Luis Chamberlain" <mcgrof@kernel.org>,
	"Iurii Zaikin" <yzaikin@google.com>,
	"Tony Luck" <tony.luck@intel.com>,
	"Guilherme G. Piccoli" <gpiccoli@igalia.com>,
	"Anders Larsen" <al@alarsen.net>,
	"Steve French" <sfrench@samba.org>,
	"Paulo Alcantara" <pc@manguebit.com>,
	"Ronnie Sahlberg" <lsahlber@redhat.com>,
	"Shyam Prasad N" <sprasad@microsoft.com>,
	"Sergey Senozhatsky" <senozhatsky@chromium.org>,
	"Phillip Lougher" <phillip@squashfs.org.uk>,
	"Steven Rostedt" <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	"Masami Hiramatsu" <mhiramat@kernel.org>,
	"Evgeniy Dushistov" <dushistov@mail.ru>,
	"Chandan Babu R" <chandan.babu@oracle.com>,
	"Darrick J. Wong" <djwong@kernel.org>,
	"Damien Le Moal" <dlemoal@kernel.org>,
	"Naohiro Aota" <naohiro.aota@wdc.com>,
	"Johannes Thumshirn" <jth@kernel.org>,
	"Alexei Starovoitov" <ast@kernel.org>,
	"Daniel Borkmann" <daniel@iogearbox.net>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 86/87] fs: switch timespec64 fields in inode to discrete integers
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2023 06:16:57 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <d52b4330cd26e8ef9b2999281b05e50bd7106b3a.camel@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20230929-yuppie-unzweifelhaft-434bf13bc964@brauner>

On Fri, 2023-09-29 at 11:44 +0200, Christian Brauner wrote:
> > It is a lot of churn though.
> 
> I think that i_{a,c,m}time shouldn't be accessed directly by
> filesystems same as no filesystem should really access i_{g,u}id which
> we also provide i_{g,u}id_{read,write}() accessors for. The mode is
> another example where really most often should use helpers because of all
> the set*id stripping that we need to do (and the bugs that we had
> because of this...).
> 
> The interdependency between ctime and mtime is enough to hide this in
> accessors. The other big advantage is simply grepability. So really I
> would like to see this change even without the type switch.
> 
> In other words, there's no need to lump the two changes together. Do the
> conversion part and we can argue about the switch to discrete integers
> separately.
> 
> The other adavantage is that we have a cycle to see any possible
> regression from the conversion.
> 
> Thoughts anyone?

That works for me, and sort of what I was planning anyway. I mostly just
did the change to timestamp storage to see what it would look like
afterward.

FWIW, I'm planning to do a v2 patchbomb early next week, with the
changes that Chuck suggested (specific helpers for fetching the _sec and
_nsec fields). For now, I'll drop the change from timespec64 to discrete
fields. We can do that in a separate follow-on set.
-- 
Jeff Layton <jlayton@kernel.org>

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To: Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>
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	"Alexander Viro" <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	"Linus Torvalds" <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	"David Sterba" <dsterba@suse.cz>,
	"Amir Goldstein" <amir73il@gmail.com>,
	"Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>,
	"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	"Kees Cook" <keescook@chromium.org>,
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	"Michael Ellerman" <mpe@ellerman.id.au>,
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	"Christophe Leroy" <christophe.leroy@csgroup.eu>,
	"Heiko Carstens" <hca@linux.ibm.com>,
	"Vasily Gorbik" <gor@linux.ibm.com>,
	"Alexander Gordeev" <agordeev@linux.ibm.com>,
	"Christian Borntraeger" <borntraeger@linux.ibm.com>,
	"Sven Schnelle" <svens@linux.ibm.com>,
	"Greg Kroah-Hartman" <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	"Arve Hjønnevåg" <arve@android.com>,
	"Todd Kjos" <tkjos@android.com>,
	"Martijn Coenen" <maco@android.com>,
	"Joel Fernandes" <joel@joelfernandes.org>,
	"Carlos Llamas" <cmllamas@google.com>,
	"Suren Baghdasaryan" <surenb@google.com>,
	"Mattia Dongili" <malattia@linux.it>,
	"Dennis Dalessandro" <dennis.dalessandro@cornelisnetworks.com>,
	"Jason Gunthorpe" <jgg@ziepe.ca>,
	"Leon Romanovsky" <leon@kernel.org>,
	"Brad Warrum" <bwarrum@linux.ibm.com>,
	"Ritu Agarwal" <rituagar@linux.ibm.com>,
	"Hans de Goede" <hdegoede@redhat.com>,
	"Ilpo Järvinen" <ilpo.jarvinen@linux.intel.com>,
	"Mark Gross" <markgross@kernel.org>,
	"Jiri Slaby" <jirislaby@kernel.org>,
	"Eric Van Hensbergen" <ericvh@kernel.org>,
	"Latchesar Ionkov" <lucho@ionkov.net>,
	"Dominique Martinet" <asmadeus@codewreck.org>,
	"Christian Schoenebeck" <linux_oss@crudebyte.com>,
	"David Sterba" <dsterba@suse.com>,
	"David Howells" <dhowells@redhat.com>,
	"Marc Dionne" <marc.dionne@auristor.com>,
	"Ian Kent" <raven@themaw.net>,
	"Luis de Bethencourt" <luisbg@kernel.org>,
	"Salah Triki" <salah.triki@gmail.com>,
	"Tigran A. Aivazian" <aivazian.tigran@gmail.com>,
	"Chris Mason" <clm@fb.com>, "Josef Bacik" <josef@toxicpanda.com>,
	"Xiubo Li" <xiubli@redhat.com>,
	"Ilya Dryomov" <idryomov@gmail.com>,
	"Jan Harkes" <jaharkes@cs.cmu.edu>,
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	"Christoph Hellwig" <hch@lst.de>,
	"Nicolas Pitre" <nico@fluxnic.net>,
	"Rafael J . Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org>,
	"Ard Biesheuvel" <ardb@kernel.org>,
	"Gao Xiang" <xiang@kernel.org>, "Chao Yu" <chao@kernel.org>,
	"Yue Hu" <huyue2@coolpad.com>,
	"Jeffle Xu" <jefflexu@linux.alibaba.com>,
	"Namjae Jeon" <linkinjeon@kernel.org>,
	"Sungjong Seo" <sj1557.seo@samsung.com>,
	"Jan Kara" <jack@suse.com>,
	"Andreas Dilger" <adilger.kernel@dilger.ca>,
	"Jaegeuk Kim" <jaegeuk@kernel.org>,
	"OGAWA Hirofumi" <hirofumi@mail.parknet.co.jp>,
	"Christoph Hellwig" <hch@infradead.org>,
	"Miklos Szeredi" <miklos@szeredi.hu>,
	"Bob Peterson" <rpeterso@redhat.com>,
	"Andreas Gruenbacher" <agruenba@redhat.com>,
	"Richard Weinberger" <richard@nod.at>,
	"Anton Ivanov" <anton.ivanov@cambridgegreys.com>,
	"Johannes Berg" <johannes@sipsolutions.net>,
	"Mikulas Patocka" <mikulas@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz>,
	"Mike Kravetz" <mike.kravetz@oracle.com>,
	"Muchun Song" <muchun.song@linux.dev>, "Jan Kara" <jack@suse.cz>,
	"David Woodhouse" <dwmw2@infradead.org>,
	"Dave Kleikamp" <shaggy@kernel.org>, "Tejun Heo" <tj@kernel.org>,
	"Trond Myklebust" <trond.myklebust@hammerspace.com>,
	"Anna Schumaker" <anna@kernel.org>,
	"Chuck Lever" <chuck.lever@oracle.com>,
	"Neil Brown" <neilb@suse.de>,
	"Olga Kornievskaia" <kolga@netapp.com>,
	"Dai Ngo" <Dai.Ngo@oracle.com>, "Tom Talpey" <tom@talpey.com>,
	"Ryusuke Konishi" <konishi.ryusuke@gmail.com>,
	"Anton Altaparmakov" <anton@tuxera.com>,
	"Konstantin Komarov" <almaz.alexandrovich@paragon-software.com>,
	"Mark Fasheh" <mark@fasheh.com>,
	"Joseph Qi" <joseph.qi@linux.alibaba.com>,
	"Bob Copeland" <me@bobcopeland.com>,
	"Mike Marshall" <hubcap@omnibond.com>,
	"Martin Brandenburg" <martin@omnibond.com>,
	"Luis Chamberlain" <mcgrof@kernel.org>,
	"Iurii Zaikin" <yzaikin@google.com>,
	"Tony Luck" <tony.luck@intel.com>,
	"Guilherme G. Piccoli" <gpiccoli@igalia.com>,
	"Anders Larsen" <al@alarsen.net>,
	"Steve French" <sfrench@samba.org>,
	"Paulo Alcantara" <pc@manguebit.com>,
	"Ronnie Sahlberg" <lsahlber@redhat.com>,
	"Shyam Prasad N" <sprasad@microsoft.com>,
	"Sergey Senozhatsky" <senozhatsky@chromium.org>,
	"Phillip Lougher" <phillip@squashfs.org.uk>,
	"Steven Rostedt" <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	"Masami Hiramatsu" <mhiramat@kernel.org>,
	"Evgeniy Dushistov" <dushistov@mail.ru>,
	"Chandan Babu R" <chandan.babu@oracle.com>,
	"Darrick J. Wong" <djwong@kernel.org>,
	"Damien Le Moal" <dlemoal@kernel.org>,
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	"Johannes Thumshirn" <jth@kernel.org>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 86/87] fs: switch timespec64 fields in inode to discrete integers
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2023 06:16:57 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <d52b4330cd26e8ef9b2999281b05e50bd7106b3a.camel@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20230929-yuppie-unzweifelhaft-434bf13bc964@brauner>

On Fri, 2023-09-29 at 11:44 +0200, Christian Brauner wrote:
> > It is a lot of churn though.
> 
> I think that i_{a,c,m}time shouldn't be accessed directly by
> filesystems same as no filesystem should really access i_{g,u}id which
> we also provide i_{g,u}id_{read,write}() accessors for. The mode is
> another example where really most often should use helpers because of all
> the set*id stripping that we need to do (and the bugs that we had
> because of this...).
> 
> The interdependency between ctime and mtime is enough to hide this in
> accessors. The other big advantage is simply grepability. So really I
> would like to see this change even without the type switch.
> 
> In other words, there's no need to lump the two changes together. Do the
> conversion part and we can argue about the switch to discrete integers
> separately.
> 
> The other adavantage is that we have a cycle to see any possible
> regression from the conversion.
> 
> Thoughts anyone?

That works for me, and sort of what I was planning anyway. I mostly just
did the change to timestamp storage to see what it would look like
afterward.

FWIW, I'm planning to do a v2 patchbomb early next week, with the
changes that Chuck suggested (specific helpers for fetching the _sec and
_nsec fields). For now, I'll drop the change from timespec64 to discrete
fields. We can do that in a separate follow-on set.
-- 
Jeff Layton <jlayton@kernel.org>

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To: Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>
Cc: "Arnd Bergmann" <arnd@arndb.de>,
	"Alexander Viro" <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	"Linus Torvalds" <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	"David Sterba" <dsterba@suse.cz>,
	"Amir Goldstein" <amir73il@gmail.com>,
	"Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>,
	"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	"Kees Cook" <keescook@chromium.org>,
	"Jeremy Kerr" <jk@ozlabs.org>,
	"Michael Ellerman" <mpe@ellerman.id.au>,
	"Nicholas Piggin" <npiggin@gmail.com>,
	"Christophe Leroy" <christophe.leroy@csgroup.eu>,
	"Heiko Carstens" <hca@linux.ibm.com>,
	"Vasily Gorbik" <gor@linux.ibm.com>,
	"Alexander Gordeev" <agordeev@linux.ibm.com>,
	"Christian Borntraeger" <borntraeger@linux.ibm.com>,
	"Sven Schnelle" <svens@linux.ibm.com>,
	"Greg Kroah-Hartman" <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	"Arve Hjønnevåg" <arve@android.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 86/87] fs: switch timespec64 fields in inode to discrete integers
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2023 06:16:57 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <d52b4330cd26e8ef9b2999281b05e50bd7106b3a.camel@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20230929-yuppie-unzweifelhaft-434bf13bc964@brauner>

On Fri, 2023-09-29 at 11:44 +0200, Christian Brauner wrote:
> > It is a lot of churn though.
> 
> I think that i_{a,c,m}time shouldn't be accessed directly by
> filesystems same as no filesystem should really access i_{g,u}id which
> we also provide i_{g,u}id_{read,write}() accessors for. The mode is
> another example where really most often should use helpers because of all
> the set*id stripping that we need to do (and the bugs that we had
> because of this...).
> 
> The interdependency between ctime and mtime is enough to hide this in
> accessors. The other big advantage is simply grepability. So really I
> would like to see this change even without the type switch.
> 
> In other words, there's no need to lump the two changes together. Do the
> conversion part and we can argue about the switch to discrete integers
> separately.
> 
> The other adavantage is that we have a cycle to see any possible
> regression from the conversion.
> 
> Thoughts anyone?

That works for me, and sort of what I was planning anyway. I mostly just
did the change to timestamp storage to see what it would look like
afterward.

FWIW, I'm planning to do a v2 patchbomb early next week, with the
changes that Chuck suggested (specific helpers for fetching the _sec and
_nsec fields). For now, I'll drop the change from timespec64 to discrete
fields. We can do that in a separate follow-on set.
-- 
Jeff Layton <jlayton@kernel.org>

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From: Jeff Layton <jlayton@kernel.org>
To: Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>
Cc: "Latchesar Ionkov" <lucho@ionkov.net>,
	"Konstantin Komarov" <almaz.alexandrovich@paragon-software.com>,
	"Rafael J . Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org>,
	"Darrick J. Wong" <djwong@kernel.org>,
	"Anders Larsen" <al@alarsen.net>,
	"Carlos Llamas" <cmllamas@google.com>,
	"Andrii Nakryiko" <andrii@kernel.org>,
	"Mattia Dongili" <malattia@linux.it>,
	"Hugh Dickins" <hughd@google.com>,
	"John Johansen" <john.johansen@canonical.com>,
	"Yonghong Song" <yonghong.song@linux.dev>,
	"Alexander Gordeev" <agordeev@linux.ibm.com>,
	"Christoph Hellwig" <hch@lst.de>,
	"Mike Marshall" <hubcap@omnibond.com>,
	"Paulo Alcantara" <pc@manguebit.com>,
	linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org, "James Morris" <jmorris@namei.org>,
	"Christoph Hellwig" <hch@infradead.org>,
	"Christian Borntraeger" <borntraeger@linux.ibm.com>,
	devel@lists.orangefs.org,
	"Shyam Prasad N" <sprasad@microsoft.com>,
	linux-um@lists.infradead.org,
	"Nicholas Piggin" <npiggin@gmail.com>,
	"Alexander Viro" <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	"Eric Van Hensbergen" <ericvh@kernel.org>,
	"Suren Baghdasaryan" <surenb@google.com>,
	"Trond Myklebust" <trond.myklebust@hammerspace.com>,
	"Anton Altaparmakov" <anton@tuxera.com>,
	"Greg Kroah-Hartman" <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	"Stephen Smalley" <stephen.smalley.work@gmail.com>,
	linux-usb@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	"Ronnie Sahlberg" <lsahlber@redhat.com>,
	"Sergey Senozhatsky" <senozhatsky@chromium.org>,
	"Arve Hjønnevåg" <arve@android.com>,
	"Chuck Lever" <chuck.lever@oracle.com>,
	"Sven Schnelle" <svens@linux.ibm.com>,
	"Jiri Olsa" <jolsa@kernel.org>, "Jan Kara" <jack@suse.com>,
	"Tejun Heo" <tj@kernel.org>,
	"Andrew Morton" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-trace-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	"Linus Torvalds" <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	"Dave Kleikamp" <shaggy@kernel.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, "Joel Fernandes" <joel@joelfernandes.org>,
	"Eric Dumazet" <edumazet@google.com>,
	"Stanislav Fomichev" <sdf@google.com>,
	linux-s390@vger.kernel.org, linux-nilfs@vger.kernel.org,
	"Paul Moore" <paul@paul-moore.com>,
	"Leon Romanovsky" <leon@kernel.org>,
	"John Fastabend" <john.fastabend@gmail.com>,
	"Luis Chamberlain" <mcgrof@kernel.org>,
	codalist@coda.cs.cmu.edu, "Iurii Zaikin" <yzaikin@google.co>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 86/87] fs: switch timespec64 fields in inode to discrete integers
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2023 06:16:57 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <d52b4330cd26e8ef9b2999281b05e50bd7106b3a.camel@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20230929-yuppie-unzweifelhaft-434bf13bc964@brauner>

On Fri, 2023-09-29 at 11:44 +0200, Christian Brauner wrote:
> > It is a lot of churn though.
> 
> I think that i_{a,c,m}time shouldn't be accessed directly by
> filesystems same as no filesystem should really access i_{g,u}id which
> we also provide i_{g,u}id_{read,write}() accessors for. The mode is
> another example where really most often should use helpers because of all
> the set*id stripping that we need to do (and the bugs that we had
> because of this...).
> 
> The interdependency between ctime and mtime is enough to hide this in
> accessors. The other big advantage is simply grepability. So really I
> would like to see this change even without the type switch.
> 
> In other words, there's no need to lump the two changes together. Do the
> conversion part and we can argue about the switch to discrete integers
> separately.
> 
> The other adavantage is that we have a cycle to see any possible
> regression from the conversion.
> 
> Thoughts anyone?

That works for me, and sort of what I was planning anyway. I mostly just
did the change to timestamp storage to see what it would look like
afterward.

FWIW, I'm planning to do a v2 patchbomb early next week, with the
changes that Chuck suggested (specific helpers for fetching the _sec and
_nsec fields). For now, I'll drop the change from timespec64 to discrete
fields. We can do that in a separate follow-on set.
-- 
Jeff Layton <jlayton@kernel.org>

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
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To: Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>
Cc: "Latchesar Ionkov" <lucho@ionkov.net>,
	"Konstantin Komarov" <almaz.alexandrovich@paragon-software.com>,
	"Rafael J . Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org>,
	"Darrick J. Wong" <djwong@kernel.org>,
	"Anders Larsen" <al@alarsen.net>,
	"Carlos Llamas" <cmllamas@google.com>,
	"Andrii Nakryiko" <andrii@kernel.org>,
	"Mattia Dongili" <malattia@linux.it>,
	"Hugh Dickins" <hughd@google.com>,
	"John Johansen" <john.johansen@canonical.com>,
	"Yonghong Song" <yonghong.song@linux.dev>,
	"Alexander Gordeev" <agordeev@linux.ibm.com>,
	"Christoph Hellwig" <hch@lst.de>,
	"Mike Marshall" <hubcap@omnibond.com>,
	"Paulo Alcantara" <pc@manguebit.com>,
	linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org,
	"Michael Ellerman" <mpe@ellerman.id.au>,
	"James Morris" <jmorris@namei.org>,
	"Christophe Leroy" <christophe.leroy@csgroup.eu>,
	"Christoph Hellwig" <hch@infradead.org>,
	"Christian Borntraeger" <borntraeger@linux.ibm.com>,
	devel@lists.orangefs.org,
	"Shyam Prasad N" <sprasad@microsoft.com>,
	linux-um@lists.infradead.org,
	"Nicholas Piggin" <npiggin@gmail.com>,
	"Alexander Viro" <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	"Eric Van Hensbergen" <ericvh@kernel.org>,
	"Suren Baghdasaryan" <surenb@google.com>,
	"Trond Myklebust" <trond.myklebust@hammerspace.com>,
	"Anton Altaparmakov" <anton@tuxera.com>,
	"Greg Kroah-Hartman" <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	"Stephen Smalley" <stephen.smalley.work@gmail.com>,
	linux-usb@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	"Ronnie Sahlberg" <lsahlber@redhat.com>,
	"Sergey Senozhatsky" <senozhatsky@chromium.org>,
	"Arve Hjønnevåg" <arve@android.com>,
	"Chuck Lever" <chuck.lever@oracle.com>,
	"Sven Schnelle" <svens@linux.ibm.com>,
	"Jiri Olsa" <jolsa@kernel.org>, "Jan Kara" <jack@suse.com>,
	"Tejun Heo" <tj@kernel.org>,
	"Andrew Morton" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-trace-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	"Linus Torvalds" <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	"Dave Kleikamp" <shaggy@kernel.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, "Joel Fernandes" <joel@joelfernandes.org>,
	"Eric Dumazet" <edumazet@google.com>,
	"Stanislav Fomichev" <sdf@google.com>,
	linux-s390@vger.kernel.org, linux-nilfs@vger.kernel.org,
	"Paul Moore" <paul@paul-moore.com>,
	"Leon Romanovsky" <leon@kernel.org>,
	"John Fastabend" <john.fastabend@gmail.com>,
	"Luis Cha mberlain" <mcgrof@kernel.org>,
	codalist@coda.cs.cmu.edu, "Iurii Zaikin" <yzaikin@google.com>,
	"Namjae Jeon" <linkinjeon@kernel.org>,
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	"OGAWA Hirofumi" <hirofumi@mail.parknet.co.jp>,
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	linux-efi@vger.kernel.org,
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	ocfs2-devel@lists.linux.dev,
	"Alexei Starovoitov" <ast@kernel.org>,
	platform-driver-x86@vger.kernel.org, "Chris Mason" <clm@fb.com>,
	linux-mtd@lists.infradead.org, linux-hardening@vger.kernel.org,
	"Marc Dionne" <marc.dionne@auristor.com>,
	"Jiri Slaby" <jirislaby@kernel.org>,
	linux-afs@lists.infradead.org, "Ian Kent" <raven@themaw.net>,
	"Naohiro Aota" <naohiro.aota@wdc.com>,
	"Daniel Borkmann" <daniel@iogearbox.net>,
	"Dennis Dalessandro" <dennis.dalessandro@cornelisnetworks.com>,
	linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org, coda@cs.cmu.edu,
	"Ilpo Järvinen" <ilpo.jarvinen@linux.intel.com>,
	"Ilya Dryomov" <idryomov@gmail.com>,
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	"Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@hallyn.com>,
	"Christian Schoenebeck" <linux_oss@c>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 86/87] fs: switch timespec64 fields in inode to discrete integers
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2023 06:16:57 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <d52b4330cd26e8ef9b2999281b05e50bd7106b3a.camel@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20230929-yuppie-unzweifelhaft-434bf13bc964@brauner>

On Fri, 2023-09-29 at 11:44 +0200, Christian Brauner wrote:
> > It is a lot of churn though.
> 
> I think that i_{a,c,m}time shouldn't be accessed directly by
> filesystems same as no filesystem should really access i_{g,u}id which
> we also provide i_{g,u}id_{read,write}() accessors for. The mode is
> another example where really most often should use helpers because of all
> the set*id stripping that we need to do (and the bugs that we had
> because of this...).
> 
> The interdependency between ctime and mtime is enough to hide this in
> accessors. The other big advantage is simply grepability. So really I
> would like to see this change even without the type switch.
> 
> In other words, there's no need to lump the two changes together. Do the
> conversion part and we can argue about the switch to discrete integers
> separately.
> 
> The other adavantage is that we have a cycle to see any possible
> regression from the conversion.
> 
> Thoughts anyone?

That works for me, and sort of what I was planning anyway. I mostly just
did the change to timestamp storage to see what it would look like
afterward.

FWIW, I'm planning to do a v2 patchbomb early next week, with the
changes that Chuck suggested (specific helpers for fetching the _sec and
_nsec fields). For now, I'll drop the change from timespec64 to discrete
fields. We can do that in a separate follow-on set.
-- 
Jeff Layton <jlayton@kernel.org>

  reply	other threads:[~2023-09-29 10:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 161+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-09-28 11:05 [PATCH 85/87] fs: rename i_atime and i_mtime fields to __i_atime and __i_mtime Jeff Layton
2023-09-28 11:05 ` Jeff Layton
2023-09-28 11:05 ` Jeff Layton
2023-09-28 11:05 ` Jeff Layton
2023-09-28 11:05 ` Jeff Layton
2023-09-28 11:05 ` [f2fs-dev] " Jeff Layton
2023-09-28 11:05 ` [PATCH 86/87] fs: switch timespec64 fields in inode to discrete integers Jeff Layton
2023-09-28 11:05   ` Jeff Layton
2023-09-28 11:05   ` Jeff Layton
2023-09-28 11:05   ` Jeff Layton
2023-09-28 11:05   ` Jeff Layton
2023-09-28 11:05   ` [f2fs-dev] " Jeff Layton
2023-09-28 15:48   ` Arnd Bergmann
2023-09-28 15:48     ` Arnd Bergmann
2023-09-28 15:48     ` Arnd Bergmann
2023-09-28 15:48     ` Arnd Bergmann
2023-09-28 15:48     ` [f2fs-dev] " Arnd Bergmann
2023-09-28 15:48     ` Arnd Bergmann
2023-09-28 17:06     ` Jeff Layton
2023-09-28 17:06       ` Jeff Layton
2023-09-28 17:06       ` Jeff Layton
2023-09-28 17:06       ` Jeff Layton
2023-09-28 17:06       ` Jeff Layton
2023-09-28 17:06       ` [f2fs-dev] " Jeff Layton
2023-09-28 17:19       ` Darrick J. Wong
2023-09-28 17:19         ` Darrick J. Wong
2023-09-28 17:19         ` Darrick J. Wong
2023-09-28 17:19         ` Darrick J. Wong
2023-09-28 17:19         ` Darrick J. Wong
2023-09-28 17:19         ` Darrick J. Wong
2023-09-28 17:19         ` [f2fs-dev] " Darrick J. Wong
2023-09-28 17:40         ` Jeff Layton
2023-09-28 17:40           ` Jeff Layton
2023-09-28 17:40           ` Jeff Layton
2023-09-28 17:40           ` Jeff Layton
2023-09-28 17:40           ` Jeff Layton
2023-09-28 17:40           ` Jeff Layton
2023-09-28 17:40           ` [f2fs-dev] " Jeff Layton
2023-09-28 20:21           ` Arnd Bergmann
2023-09-28 20:21             ` Arnd Bergmann
2023-09-28 20:21             ` Arnd Bergmann
2023-09-28 20:21             ` Arnd Bergmann
2023-09-28 20:21             ` Arnd Bergmann
2023-09-28 20:21             ` Arnd Bergmann
2023-09-28 20:21             ` [f2fs-dev] " Arnd Bergmann
2023-09-28 21:26           ` Theodore Ts'o
2023-09-28 21:26             ` Theodore Ts'o
2023-09-28 21:26             ` Theodore Ts'o
2023-09-28 21:26             ` Theodore Ts'o
2023-09-28 21:26             ` Theodore Ts'o
2023-09-28 21:26             ` Theodore Ts'o
2023-09-28 21:26             ` [f2fs-dev] " Theodore Ts'o
2023-09-29  0:18             ` Linus Torvalds
2023-09-29  0:18               ` Linus Torvalds
2023-09-29  0:18               ` Linus Torvalds
2023-09-29  0:18               ` Linus Torvalds
2023-09-29  0:18               ` Linus Torvalds
2023-09-29  0:18               ` Linus Torvalds
2023-09-29  0:18               ` [f2fs-dev] " Linus Torvalds
2023-09-29  3:50               ` Amir Goldstein
2023-09-29  3:50                 ` Amir Goldstein
2023-09-29  3:50                 ` Amir Goldstein
2023-09-29  3:50                 ` Amir Goldstein
2023-09-29  3:50                 ` Amir Goldstein
2023-09-29  3:50                 ` Amir Goldstein
2023-09-29  3:50                 ` [f2fs-dev] " Amir Goldstein
2023-09-29 16:22                 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-09-29 16:22                   ` Linus Torvalds
2023-09-29 16:22                   ` Linus Torvalds
2023-09-29 16:22                   ` Linus Torvalds
2023-09-29 16:22                   ` Linus Torvalds
2023-09-29 16:22                   ` [f2fs-dev] " Linus Torvalds
2023-09-29 16:22                   ` Linus Torvalds
2023-09-29  3:27         ` Amir Goldstein
2023-09-29  3:27           ` Amir Goldstein
2023-09-29  3:27           ` Amir Goldstein
2023-09-29  3:27           ` Amir Goldstein
2023-09-29  3:27           ` Amir Goldstein
2023-09-29  3:27           ` Amir Goldstein
2023-09-29  3:27           ` [f2fs-dev] " Amir Goldstein
2023-09-29  6:32         ` David Howells
2023-09-29  6:32           ` David Howells
2023-09-29  6:32           ` David Howells
2023-09-29  6:32           ` David Howells
2023-09-29  6:32           ` David Howells
2023-09-29  6:32           ` David Howells
2023-09-29  6:32           ` [f2fs-dev] " David Howells
2023-09-30 14:50           ` Steve French
2023-09-30 14:50             ` Steve French
2023-09-30 14:50             ` Steve French
2023-09-30 14:50             ` Steve French
2023-09-30 14:50             ` Steve French
2023-09-30 14:50             ` Steve French
2023-09-30 14:50             ` [f2fs-dev] " Steve French
2023-10-01  5:01             ` [OT] " Gabriel Paubert
2023-10-01  5:01               ` Gabriel Paubert
2023-10-01  5:01               ` Gabriel Paubert
2023-10-01  5:01               ` Gabriel Paubert
2023-10-01  5:01               ` [f2fs-dev] " Gabriel Paubert
2023-10-01  5:01               ` Gabriel Paubert
2023-09-29  9:44       ` Christian Brauner
2023-09-29  9:44         ` Christian Brauner
2023-09-29  9:44         ` Christian Brauner
2023-09-29  9:44         ` Christian Brauner
2023-09-29  9:44         ` Christian Brauner
2023-09-29  9:44         ` Christian Brauner
2023-09-29  9:44         ` [f2fs-dev] " Christian Brauner
2023-09-29 10:16         ` Jeff Layton [this message]
2023-09-29 10:16           ` Jeff Layton
2023-09-29 10:16           ` Jeff Layton
2023-09-29 10:16           ` Jeff Layton
2023-09-29 10:16           ` Jeff Layton
2023-09-29 10:16           ` Jeff Layton
2023-09-29 10:16           ` [f2fs-dev] " Jeff Layton
2023-09-28 17:09   ` Jeff Layton
2023-09-28 17:09     ` Jeff Layton
2023-09-28 17:09     ` Jeff Layton
2023-09-28 17:09     ` Jeff Layton
2023-09-28 17:09     ` Jeff Layton
2023-09-28 17:09     ` [f2fs-dev] " Jeff Layton
2023-09-28 11:05 ` [PATCH 87/87] fs: move i_blocks up a few places in struct inode Jeff Layton
2023-09-28 11:05   ` Jeff Layton
2023-09-28 11:05   ` Jeff Layton
2023-09-28 11:05   ` Jeff Layton
2023-09-28 11:05   ` Jeff Layton
2023-09-28 11:05   ` [f2fs-dev] " Jeff Layton
2023-09-28 11:35   ` Amir Goldstein
2023-09-28 11:35     ` Amir Goldstein
2023-09-28 11:35     ` Amir Goldstein
2023-09-28 11:35     ` Amir Goldstein
2023-09-28 11:35     ` Amir Goldstein
2023-09-28 11:35     ` Amir Goldstein
2023-09-28 11:35     ` [f2fs-dev] " Amir Goldstein
2023-09-28 12:01     ` Jeff Layton
2023-09-28 12:01       ` Jeff Layton
2023-09-28 12:01       ` Jeff Layton
2023-09-28 12:01       ` Jeff Layton
2023-09-28 12:01       ` Jeff Layton
2023-09-28 12:01       ` Jeff Layton
2023-09-28 12:01       ` [f2fs-dev] " Jeff Layton
2023-09-28 17:41   ` Linus Torvalds
2023-09-28 17:41     ` Linus Torvalds
2023-09-28 17:41     ` Linus Torvalds
2023-09-28 17:41     ` Linus Torvalds
2023-09-28 17:41     ` Linus Torvalds
2023-09-28 17:41     ` [f2fs-dev] " Linus Torvalds
2023-09-28 17:41     ` Linus Torvalds
2023-09-28 18:01     ` Jeff Layton
2023-09-28 18:01       ` Jeff Layton
2023-09-28 18:01       ` Jeff Layton
2023-09-28 18:01       ` Jeff Layton
2023-09-28 18:01       ` Jeff Layton
2023-09-28 18:01       ` Jeff Layton
2023-09-28 18:01       ` [f2fs-dev] " Jeff Layton
2023-09-29  9:32     ` Christian Brauner
2023-09-29  9:32       ` Christian Brauner
2023-09-29  9:32       ` Christian Brauner
2023-09-29  9:32       ` Christian Brauner
2023-09-29  9:32       ` Christian Brauner
2023-09-29  9:32       ` Christian Brauner
2023-09-29  9:32       ` [f2fs-dev] " Christian Brauner

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