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From: David Laight <David.Laight@ACULAB.COM>
To: 'Arnd Bergmann' <arnd@arndb.de>,
	Linus Walleij <linus.walleij@linaro.org>
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Subject: RE: [RFC 1/1] drivers/dma/*: replace tasklets with workqueue
Date: Wed, 25 May 2022 15:14:55 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <9947cfa64667406996de191f07b9e8b9@AcuMS.aculab.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAK8P3a0j_rziihsgHnG5bHMxmPbOkAhT6_+CCE4iFZy7HzQrLw@mail.gmail.com>

From: Arnd Bergmann
> Sent: 25 May 2022 12:04
> 
> On Wed, May 25, 2022 at 11:24 AM Linus Walleij <linus.walleij@linaro.org> wrote:
> > On Tue, Apr 19, 2022 at 11:17 PM Allen Pais <apais@linux.microsoft.com> wrote:
> >
> > > The tasklet is an old API which will be deprecated, workqueue API
> > > cab be used instead of them.
> > >
> > > This patch replaces the tasklet usage in drivers/dma/* with a
> > > simple work.
> > >
> > > Github: https://github.com/KSPP/linux/issues/94
> > >
> > > Signed-off-by: Allen Pais <apais@linux.microsoft.com>
> >
> > Paging Vincent Guittot and Arnd Bergmann on the following question
> > on this patch set:
> >
> > - Will replacing tasklets with workque like this negatively impact the
> >   performance on DMA engine bottom halves?
> 
> I think it will in some cases but not others. The problem I see is that
> the short patch description makes it sound like a trivial conversion of a
> single subsystem, but in reality this interacts with all the drivers using
> DMA engines, including tty/serial, sound, mmc and spi.
> 
> In many cases, the change is an improvement, but I can see a number
> of ways this might go wrong:

If the 'tasklet' API is based on the softint (or similar)
then changing to workqueue will cause serious grief in many cases
unless the workqueue process runs at a high priority.

Currently softint callbacks are usually higher priority than
any task/process.
So on a busy system they almost always run.
(They can get caught out by a need_resched() call and suddenly
be fighting with normal user processes for cpu time.)

As arnd said, I suspect this will break anything using tasklets
to chain together audio or video buffers.
Any process code doing that would need probbaly to run at a
'middling' RT priority.

	David

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  reply	other threads:[~2022-05-25 15:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-04-19 21:16 [RFC 0/1] refactor all tasklet users into other APIs Allen Pais
2022-04-19 21:16 ` [RFC 1/1] drivers/dma/*: replace tasklets with workqueue Allen Pais
2022-04-20  2:31   ` Kees Cook
2022-04-22 16:48     ` Allen Pais
2022-04-25 15:06   ` Linus Walleij
2022-04-25 23:59     ` Allen Pais
2022-04-25 15:56   ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2022-04-25 19:55     ` Gustavo A. R. Silva
2022-04-28  9:29       ` Andy Shevchenko
     [not found]         ` <DA101ED8-F99F-4DCB-9CB7-370A62C44B65@linux.microsoft.com>
2022-05-12 21:54           ` Linus Walleij
2022-05-16 11:40             ` Vinod Koul
2022-04-26  0:04     ` Allen Pais
2022-04-27  2:45   ` Vinod Koul
2022-04-27 15:20     ` Dave Jiang
2022-04-27 15:58       ` Allen Pais
2022-04-27 15:53     ` Allen Pais
2022-05-25  9:24   ` Linus Walleij
2022-05-25  9:52     ` Vincent Guittot
2022-05-25 11:03     ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-05-25 15:14       ` David Laight [this message]
     [not found]         ` <6E248F41-6687-4F2B-B847-DB5459BA1344@linux.microsoft.com>
2022-05-25 17:48           ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-05-25 18:04             ` Allen Pais
2022-05-27  8:06       ` Vinod Koul
2022-05-27 10:59         ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-05-31  6:56           ` Vinod Koul
     [not found]             ` <0A9EDEDC-9E6C-47F8-89C0-48DCDD3F9DE3@linux.microsoft.com>
2022-05-31 18:02               ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-05-31 18:19                 ` Allen Pais
2022-05-31 19:27                   ` Arnd Bergmann

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