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From: Adrien Mazarguil <adrien.mazarguil@6wind.com>
To: Ori Kam <orika@mellanox.com>
Cc: Dekel Peled <dekelp@mellanox.com>,
	"wenzhuo.lu@intel.com" <wenzhuo.lu@intel.com>,
	"jingjing.wu@intel.com" <jingjing.wu@intel.com>,
	"bernard.iremonger@intel.com" <bernard.iremonger@intel.com>,
	Yongseok Koh <yskoh@mellanox.com>,
	Shahaf Shuler <shahafs@mellanox.com>,
	"dev@dpdk.org" <dev@dpdk.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 1/3] ethdev: add actions to modify TCP header fields
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2019 15:25:56 +0200
Message-ID: <20190404132556.GS4889@6wind.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <AM4PR05MB342559B6EA39BF745EC3690DDB500@AM4PR05MB3425.eurprd05.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Ori,

(trimming message down a bit)

On Thu, Apr 04, 2019 at 09:01:52AM +0000, Ori Kam wrote:
> Hi Adrien,
> 
> PSB
<snip>
> 
> > From: Adrien Mazarguil <adrien.mazarguil@6wind.com>
<snip>
> > On Wed, Apr 03, 2019 at 10:49:09AM +0000, Dekel Peled wrote:
> > > Thanks, PSB.
<snip>
> > > > From: Adrien Mazarguil <adrien.mazarguil@6wind.com>
<snip>
> > > > I still don't agree with the wording as it implies one must combine this
> > action
> > > > with the TCP pattern item or else, while one should simply ensure the
> > > > presence of TCP traffic somehow. This may be done by a prior filtering rule.
> > > >
> > > > So here's a generic suggestion which could be used with pretty much all
> > > > modifying actions (other actions have the same problem and will have to be
> > > > fixed as well eventually):
> > > >
> > > >  Using this action on non-matching traffic results in undefined behavior.
> > > >
> > > > This comment applies to all instances in this patch.
> > >
> > > I accept your suggestion, indeed the existing actions have the problematic
> > condition.
> > > However I would like to currently leave this patch as-is for consistency.
> > > I will send a fix patch for next release, applying the updated text to all
> > modify-header actions.
> > 
> > Please do it now as it's much more difficult to change an existing API
> > later (think deprecation notices and endless discussions); even seemingly
> > minor documentation issues like this one may affect applications.
> > 
> I agree that changing API is not easy. This is why I think we should keep Dekel patch,
> there is a number of API and consistency is very important. Also the PMD is based on the current
> description that such command should fail.
> 
> So lets keep it this way if you want to change all API then and only then this API should be changed.

Wait, I'm not asking Delek to modify existing code/APIs right now, only to
document these new actions properly from the start so we don't have to do it
later (you even acknowledged it's more difficult that way).

So I fail to understand why it's so important for their documentation to be
consistent with unrelated and badly documented actions?

Note the change I'm asking for at the API level doesn't affect PMD code,
which remains free to put extra limitations (namely the presence of TCP
pattern items). It's just that these limitations have nothing to do in the
API itself.

<snip>
> > > It's either 2 actions with 1 parameters, or 1 action with 2 parameters.
> > > The current implementation is more straight-forward in my opinion.
> > 
> > I generally also prefer the one action per thing to do approach, but seeing
> > the kind of actions you're adding, I fear we'll soon end up with lots of
> > similar rte_flow_action_* structures modifying a single 32-bit value in some
> > way.
> > 
> > So for the same reasons as above, I think it's the right time to define a
> > shared structure to rule them all, or maybe even let users provide a
> > rte_be32_t/uint32_t/whatever pointer directly as a conf pointer (not
> > as straightforward to document though).
> > 
> > An object to rule them all would look something like that:
> > 
> >  union rte_flow_integer {
> >      rte_be64_t be64;
> >      rte_le64_t le64;
> >      uint64_t u64;
> >      int64_t i64;
> >      rte_be32_t be32;
> >      rte_le32_t le32;
> >      uint32_t u32;
> >      int32_t i32;
> >      uint8_t u8;
> >      int8_t i8;
> >  };
> > 
> > Then actions that need a single integer value only have to document which
> > field is relevant to them. How about that?
> > 
> 
> Like my previous comment. I understand your idea, but it has no huge advantage compared to the
> suggested one by Dekel which also match all other API.
> 
> Currently for each action we have a direct command, which is easy to understand by using your idea we break this concept.

Yes, although not all actions have a configuration structure. Those that do
indeed have a rte_flow_action_* counterpart, but it doesn't have to be
unique, see RTE_FLOW_ITEM_GTP/GTPC/GTPU for instance.

Likewise this patch adds struct rte_flow_action_modify_tcp_seq shared by
RTE_FLOW_ACTION_TYPE_INC_TCP_SEQ and RTE_FLOW_ACTION_TYPE_DEC_TCP_SEQ
although they lack a common prefix (inc_tcp/dec_tcp vs. modify_tcp). The
type to use is covered by documentation and that's fine.

So why not go a little further and share the exact same structure with
RTE_FLOW_ACTION_TYPE_INC_TCP_ACK and RTE_FLOW_ACTION_TYPE_DEC_TCP_ACK?

And while there, why not plan for subsequent actions that take a single
integer value of some kind, because modifying existing APIs once upstream is
complicated... See where I'm going?

> There is no issue with having a large number of actions, it is even easer to read and document if each action is dedicated,
> as you can also see from OVS.

I'm actually fine with a large number of actions (rte_flow can support 2^31
unique actions). Not so much with a large number of identical configuration
structures that only differ by name associated with them. This is what I'd
like to avoid before it's too late.

> So I vote to keep Dekel patch as is.

I don't, I guess another vote is needed to decide :)

-- 
Adrien Mazarguil
6WIND

  reply index

Thread overview: 76+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-03-21 14:18 [PATCH 0/3] add actions to modify " Dekel Peled
2019-03-21 14:18 ` [PATCH 1/3] ethdev: add actions to modify TCP " Dekel Peled
2019-03-26  9:24   ` Dekel Peled
2019-03-29 13:58   ` Adrien Mazarguil
2019-03-31 13:09     ` Dekel Peled
2019-03-21 14:18 ` [PATCH 2/3] app/testpmd: " Dekel Peled
2019-03-29 13:58   ` Adrien Mazarguil
2019-03-31 13:10     ` Dekel Peled
2019-03-21 14:18 ` [PATCH 3/3] net/mlx5: update modify header using Direct Verbs Dekel Peled
2019-04-02 15:13 ` [PATCH v2 0/3] add actions to modify header fields Dekel Peled
2019-04-10 11:26   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 " Dekel Peled
2019-04-10 11:26     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 1/3] ethdev: add actions to modify TCP " Dekel Peled
2019-04-10 11:26     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 2/3] app/testpmd: " Dekel Peled
2019-04-10 11:26     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 3/3] net/mlx5: update modify header using Direct Verbs Dekel Peled
2019-04-10 11:50     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 0/3] add actions to modify header fields Dekel Peled
2019-04-10 11:50       ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 1/3] ethdev: add actions to modify TCP " Dekel Peled
2019-04-18 12:30         ` Adrien Mazarguil
2019-04-22  7:15           ` Dekel Peled
2019-04-10 11:50       ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 2/3] app/testpmd: " Dekel Peled
2019-04-10 11:50       ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 3/3] net/mlx5: update modify header using Direct Verbs Dekel Peled
2019-04-22 11:22       ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 0/3] add actions to modify header fields Dekel Peled
2019-04-22 11:22         ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 1/3] ethdev: add actions to modify TCP " Dekel Peled
2019-04-22 11:22         ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 2/3] app/testpmd: " Dekel Peled
2019-04-22 11:22         ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 3/3] net/mlx5: update modify header using Direct Verbs Dekel Peled
2019-06-02  8:18         ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 0/3] add actions to modify header fields Dekel Peled
2019-06-04  5:13           ` Dekel Peled
2019-06-04  8:14             ` Dekel Peled
2019-06-17  6:12         ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 " Dekel Peled
2019-06-17  6:12           ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 1/3] ethdev: add actions to modify TCP " Dekel Peled
2019-06-17  6:12           ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 2/3] app/testpmd: " Dekel Peled
2019-06-17  6:12           ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 3/3] net/mlx5: update modify header using Direct Verbs Dekel Peled
2019-06-27 17:39           ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v7 0/3] add actions to modify header fields Dekel Peled
2019-06-30  7:59             ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v8 " Dekel Peled
2019-06-30  7:59               ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v8 1/3] ethdev: add actions to modify TCP " Dekel Peled
2019-07-01  8:55                 ` Adrien Mazarguil
2019-07-01  9:58                   ` Dekel Peled
2019-06-30  7:59               ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v8 2/3] app/testpmd: " Dekel Peled
2019-06-30  7:59               ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v8 3/3] net/mlx5: update modify header using Direct Verbs Dekel Peled
     [not found]           ` <cover.1561656977.git.dekelp@mellanox.com>
2019-06-27 17:39             ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v7 1/3] ethdev: add actions to modify TCP header fields Dekel Peled
2019-06-27 17:54               ` Andrew Rybchenko
2019-06-28 16:18                 ` Adrien Mazarguil
2019-06-27 17:39             ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v7 2/3] app/testpmd: " Dekel Peled
2019-06-27 17:39             ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v7 3/3] net/mlx5: update modify header using Direct Verbs Dekel Peled
2019-04-02 15:13 ` [PATCH v2 1/3] ethdev: add actions to modify TCP header fields Dekel Peled
2019-04-02 16:33   ` Ori Kam
2019-04-03  9:14   ` Adrien Mazarguil
2019-04-03 10:49     ` Dekel Peled
2019-04-03 12:49       ` Adrien Mazarguil
2019-04-04  9:01         ` Ori Kam
2019-04-04 13:25           ` Adrien Mazarguil [this message]
2019-04-05 11:54             ` [dpdk-dev] " Andrew Rybchenko
2019-04-08 13:36             ` Dekel Peled
2019-04-08 13:53               ` Andrew Rybchenko
2019-04-08 14:21                 ` Adrien Mazarguil
2019-04-02 15:13 ` [PATCH v2 2/3] app/testpmd: " Dekel Peled
2019-04-02 16:33   ` Ori Kam
2019-04-02 15:13 ` [PATCH v2 3/3] net/mlx5: update modify header using Direct Verbs Dekel Peled
2019-04-02 16:34   ` Ori Kam
2019-04-03  8:27   ` Shahaf Shuler
2019-07-01 15:43 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v9 0/3] add actions to modify header fields Dekel Peled
2019-07-01 15:43   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v9 1/3] ethdev: add actions to modify TCP " Dekel Peled
2019-07-02  8:14     ` Andrew Rybchenko
2019-07-02  9:52       ` Dekel Peled
2019-07-02 10:33         ` Adrien Mazarguil
2019-07-02 12:01           ` Dekel Peled
2019-07-01 15:43   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v9 2/3] app/testpmd: " Dekel Peled
2019-07-01 15:43   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v9 3/3] net/mlx5: update modify header using Direct Verbs Dekel Peled
2019-07-02 14:44 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v10 0/3] add actions to modify header fields Dekel Peled
2019-07-02 14:44   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v10 1/3] ethdev: add actions to modify TCP " Dekel Peled
2019-07-03  5:04     ` Slava Ovsiienko
2019-07-02 14:44   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v10 2/3] app/testpmd: " Dekel Peled
2019-07-03  6:30     ` Slava Ovsiienko
2019-07-02 14:44   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v10 3/3] net/mlx5: update modify header using Direct Verbs Dekel Peled
2019-07-03  6:30     ` Slava Ovsiienko
2019-07-02 15:15   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v10 0/3] add actions to modify header fields Adrien Mazarguil
2019-07-03 14:59     ` Ferruh Yigit

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