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From: Alex Deucher <alexdeucher@gmail.com>
To: Pekka Paalanen <ppaalanen@gmail.com>
Cc: "Sean Paul" <sean@poorly.run>,
	"Pekka Paalanen" <pekka.paalanen@collabora.com>,
	"Karol Herbst" <kherbst@redhat.com>,
	"Daniel Vetter" <daniel.vetter@ffwll.ch>,
	"Maling list - DRI developers" <dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org>,
	"Dave Airlie" <airlied@redhat.com>,
	"Ben Skeggs" <skeggsb@gmail.com>,
	"Harry Wentland" <hwentlan@amd.com>,
	"Christian König" <christian.koenig@amd.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4] drm/doc: device hot-unplug for userspace
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2020 12:56:07 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CADnq5_POxOtQ5dWreJKtLBJ1j2KAAdZYr0GAyJaR=5u6Z8uQrA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200622140516.10830-1-ppaalanen@gmail.com>

On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 10:06 AM Pekka Paalanen <ppaalanen@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: Pekka Paalanen <pekka.paalanen@collabora.com>
>
> Set up the expectations on how hot-unplugging a DRM device should look like to
> userspace.
>
> Written by Daniel Vetter's request and largely based on his comments in IRC and
> from https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/dri-devel/2020-May/265484.html .
>
> A related Wayland protocol change proposal is at
> https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/wayland-protocols/-/merge_requests/35
>
> Signed-off-by: Pekka Paalanen <pekka.paalanen@collabora.com>
> Reviewed-by: Daniel Vetter <daniel.vetter@ffwll.ch>
> Cc: Andrey Grodzovsky <andrey.grodzovsky@amd.com>
> Cc: Dave Airlie <airlied@redhat.com>
> Cc: Sean Paul <sean@poorly.run>
> Cc: Simon Ser <contact@emersion.fr>
> Cc: Noralf Trønnes <noralf@tronnes.org>
> Cc: Ben Skeggs <skeggsb@gmail.com>
> Cc: Christian König <christian.koenig@amd.com>
> Cc: Harry Wentland <hwentlan@amd.com>
> Cc: Karol Herbst <kherbst@redhat.com>
>
> ---
>
> Harry and Christian, could one of you ack this on behalf of AMD
> drivers?
>
> Ben or Karol, could you ack on behalf of Nouveau?
>
> Noralf, would this work for the tiny drivers etc.?
>
> This is only about laying out plans for the future, not about what
> drivers do today. We'd just like to be sure the goals are reasonable and
> everyone is aware of the idea.
>
> Thanks,
> pq
>
> v4:
> - two typo fixes (Daniel)
>
> v3:
> - update ENODEV doc (Daniel)
> - clarify existing vs. new mmaps (Andrey)
> - split into KMS and render/cross sections (Andrey, Daniel)
> - open() returns ENXIO (open(2) man page)
> - ioctls may return ENODEV (Andrey, Daniel)
> - new wayland-protocols MR
>
> v2:
> - mmap reads/writes undefined (Daniel)
> - make render ioctl behaviour driver-specific (Daniel)
> - restructure the mmap paragraphs (Daniel)
> - chardev minor notes (Simon)
> - open behaviour (Daniel)
> - DRM leasing behaviour (Daniel)
> - added links
>
> Disclaimer: I am a userspace developer writing for other userspace developers.
> I took some liberties in defining what should happen without knowing what is
> actually possible or what existing drivers already implement.
> ---
>  Documentation/gpu/drm-uapi.rst | 114 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++-
>  1 file changed, 113 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)
>
> diff --git a/Documentation/gpu/drm-uapi.rst b/Documentation/gpu/drm-uapi.rst
> index 56fec6ed1ad8..b2585ea6a83e 100644
> --- a/Documentation/gpu/drm-uapi.rst
> +++ b/Documentation/gpu/drm-uapi.rst
> @@ -1,3 +1,5 @@
> +.. Copyright 2020 DisplayLink (UK) Ltd.
> +
>  ===================
>  Userland interfaces
>  ===================
> @@ -162,6 +164,116 @@ other hand, a driver requires shared state between clients which is
>  visible to user-space and accessible beyond open-file boundaries, they
>  cannot support render nodes.
>
> +Device Hot-Unplug
> +=================
> +
> +.. note::
> +   The following is the plan. Implementation is not there yet
> +   (2020 May).
> +
> +Graphics devices (display and/or render) may be connected via USB (e.g.
> +display adapters or docking stations) or Thunderbolt (e.g. eGPU). An end
> +user is able to hot-unplug this kind of devices while they are being
> +used, and expects that the very least the machine does not crash. Any
> +damage from hot-unplugging a DRM device needs to be limited as much as
> +possible and userspace must be given the chance to handle it if it wants
> +to. Ideally, unplugging a DRM device still lets a desktop continue to
> +run, but that is going to need explicit support throughout the whole
> +graphics stack: from kernel and userspace drivers, through display
> +servers, via window system protocols, and in applications and libraries.
> +
> +Other scenarios that should lead to the same are: unrecoverable GPU
> +crash, PCI device disappearing off the bus, or forced unbind of a driver
> +from the physical device.
> +
> +In other words, from userspace perspective everything needs to keep on
> +working more or less, until userspace stops using the disappeared DRM
> +device and closes it completely. Userspace will learn of the device
> +disappearance from the device removed uevent, ioctls returning ENODEV
> +(or driver-specific ioctls returning driver-specific things), or open()
> +returning ENXIO.
> +
> +Only after userspace has closed all relevant DRM device and dmabuf file
> +descriptors and removed all mmaps, the DRM driver can tear down its
> +instance for the device that no longer exists. If the same physical
> +device somehow comes back in the mean time, it shall be a new DRM
> +device.
> +
> +Similar to PIDs, chardev minor numbers are not recycled immediately. A
> +new DRM device always picks the next free minor number compared to the
> +previous one allocated, and wraps around when minor numbers are
> +exhausted.
> +
> +The goal raises at least the following requirements for the kernel and
> +drivers.
> +
> +Requirements for KMS UAPI
> +-------------------------
> +
> +- KMS connectors must change their status to disconnected.
> +
> +- Legacy modesets and pageflips, and atomic commits, both real and
> +  TEST_ONLY, and any other ioctls either fail with ENODEV or fake
> +  success.
> +
> +- Pending non-blocking KMS operations deliver the DRM events userspace
> +  is expecting. This applies also to ioctls that faked success.
> +
> +- open() on a device node whose underlying device has disappeared will
> +  fail with ENXIO.
> +
> +- Attempting to create a DRM lease on a disappeared DRM device will
> +  fail with ENODEV. Existing DRM leases remain and work as listed
> +  above.
> +
> +Requirements for Render and Cross-Device UAPI
> +---------------------------------------------
> +
> +- All GPU jobs that can no longer run must have their fences
> +  force-signalled to avoid inflicting hangs on userspace.
> +  The associated error code is ENODEV.
> +
> +- Some userspace APIs already define what should happen when the device
> +  disappears (OpenGL, GL ES: `GL_KHR_robustness`_; `Vulkan`_:
> +  VK_ERROR_DEVICE_LOST; etc.). DRM drivers are free to implement this
> +  behaviour the way they see best, e.g. returning failures in
> +  driver-specific ioctls and handling those in userspace drivers, or
> +  rely on uevents, and so on.
> +
> +- dmabuf which point to memory that has disappeared will either fail to
> +  import with ENODEV or continue to be successfully imported if it would
> +  have succeeded before the disappearance. See also about memory maps
> +  below for already imported dmabufs.
> +
> +- Attempting to import a dmabuf to a disappeared device will either fail
> +  with ENODEV or succeed if it would have succeeded without the
> +  disappearance.
> +
> +- open() on a device node whose underlying device has disappeared will
> +  fail with ENXIO.
> +
> +.. _GL_KHR_robustness: https://www.khronos.org/registry/OpenGL/extensions/KHR/KHR_robustness.txt
> +.. _Vulkan: https://www.khronos.org/vulkan/
> +
> +Requirements for Memory Maps
> +----------------------------
> +
> +Memory maps have further requirements that apply to both existing maps
> +and maps created after the device has disappeared. If the underlying
> +memory disappeared, the map is created or modified such that reads and

disappeared -> disappears

> +writes will still complete successfully but the result is undefined.
> +This applies to both userspace mmap()'d memory and memory pointed to by
> +dmabuf which might be mapped to other devices (cross-device dmabuf
> +imports).
> +
> +Raising SIGBUS is not an option, because userspace cannot realistically
> +handle it. Signal handlers are global, which makes them extremely
> +difficult to use correctly from libraries like those that Mesa produces.
> +Signal handlers are not composable, you can't have different handlers
> +for GPU1 and GPU2 from different vendors, and a third handler for
> +mmapped regular files. Threads cause additional pain with signal
> +handling as well.
> +
>  .. _drm_driver_ioctl:
>
>  IOCTL Support on Device Nodes
> @@ -199,7 +311,7 @@ EPERM/EACCES:
>          difference between EACCES and EPERM.
>
>  ENODEV:
> -        The device is not (yet) present or fully initialized.
> +        The device is not anymore present or is not yet fully initialized.

The ordering of this sentence should be fixed up like so:
The device is not present anymore or is not yet fully initialized.

With those fixed the patch is:
Reviewed-by: Alex Deucher <alexander.deucher@amd.com>

Alex

>
>  EOPNOTSUPP:
>          Feature (like PRIME, modesetting, GEM) is not supported by the driver.
> --
> 2.20.1
>
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  reply	other threads:[~2020-06-22 16:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-05-19 10:06 [PATCH] drm/doc: device hot-unplug for userspace Pekka Paalanen
2020-05-19 14:37 ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2020-05-20 11:19   ` Pekka Paalanen
2020-05-20 12:46     ` Daniel Vetter
2020-05-20 14:50       ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2020-05-25 12:13         ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2020-05-25 14:28         ` Daniel Vetter
2020-05-25 14:55           ` Pekka Paalanen
2020-05-25 15:09             ` Daniel Vetter
2020-05-28 12:27               ` Pekka Paalanen
2020-05-28 14:45                 ` Daniel Vetter
2020-06-01 12:04                   ` Pekka Paalanen
2020-05-20 12:55 ` Daniel Vetter
2020-05-20 13:20   ` Simon Ser
2020-05-20 14:19     ` Daniel Vetter
2020-05-22  9:54       ` Pekka Paalanen
2020-05-25 14:29         ` Daniel Vetter
2020-05-25 12:46 ` [PATCH v2] " Pekka Paalanen
2020-05-25 13:51   ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2020-05-25 14:30     ` Daniel Vetter
2020-05-25 15:02       ` Pekka Paalanen
2020-05-25 14:41     ` Pekka Paalanen
2020-05-26 14:30 ` [PATCH] " Andrey Grodzovsky
2020-05-27  6:44   ` Pekka Paalanen
2020-05-27 13:51     ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2020-05-27 14:39       ` Daniel Vetter
2020-05-27 15:23         ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2020-05-27 19:44           ` Christian König
2020-05-27 20:25             ` Daniel Vetter
2020-05-28 12:13               ` Pekka Paalanen
2020-05-28 21:28               ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2020-06-01 14:32 ` [PATCH v3] " Pekka Paalanen
2020-06-02 14:00   ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2020-06-03  8:19     ` Daniel Vetter
2020-06-08 16:05   ` Pekka Paalanen
2020-06-10 15:40   ` Daniel Vetter
2020-06-22 14:05 ` [PATCH v4] " Pekka Paalanen
2020-06-22 16:56   ` Alex Deucher [this message]
2020-06-27 10:02   ` Noralf Trønnes
2020-07-07 11:38 ` [PATCH v5] " Pekka Paalanen
2020-07-07 11:49   ` Karol Herbst
2020-07-07 12:13     ` Daniel Vetter
2020-07-07 12:59   ` Simon Ser
2020-07-30 13:35   ` drm/doc: missing SPDX license identifier (Was: Re: [PATCH v5] drm/doc: device hot-unplug for userspace) Emil Velikov

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