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From: Ralph Campbell <rcampbell@nvidia.com>
To: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>
Cc: <linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org>, <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	<nouveau@lists.freedesktop.org>, <kvm-ppc@vger.kernel.org>,
	<linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org>, <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Jerome Glisse" <jglisse@redhat.com>,
	John Hubbard <jhubbard@nvidia.com>,
	"Christoph Hellwig" <hch@lst.de>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Shuah Khan <shuah@kernel.org>, Ben Skeggs <bskeggs@redhat.com>,
	Bharata B Rao <bharata@linux.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 2/5] mm/migrate: add a direction parameter to migrate_vma
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2020 13:49:09 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <fdfde6a0-f2bf-c0b2-0283-c882aa755292@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200720195943.GH2021234@nvidia.com>


On 7/20/20 12:59 PM, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 12:54:53PM -0700, Ralph Campbell wrote:
>>>> diff --git a/include/linux/migrate.h b/include/linux/migrate.h
>>>> index 3e546cbf03dd..620f2235d7d4 100644
>>>> +++ b/include/linux/migrate.h
>>>> @@ -180,6 +180,11 @@ static inline unsigned long migrate_pfn(unsigned long pfn)
>>>>    	return (pfn << MIGRATE_PFN_SHIFT) | MIGRATE_PFN_VALID;
>>>>    }
>>>> +enum migrate_vma_direction {
>>>> +	MIGRATE_VMA_FROM_SYSTEM,
>>>> +	MIGRATE_VMA_FROM_DEVICE_PRIVATE,
>>>> +};
>>>
>>> I would have guessed this is more natural as _FROM_DEVICE_ and
>>> TO_DEVICE_ ?
>>
>> The caller controls where the destination memory is allocated so it isn't
>> necessarily device private memory, it could be from system to system.
>> The use case for system to system memory migration is for hardware
>> like ARM SMMU or PCIe ATS where a single set of page tables is shared by
>> the device and a CPU process over a coherent system memory bus.
>> Also many integrated GPUs in SOCs fall into this category too.
> 
> Maybe just TO/FROM_DEIVCE then? Even though the memory is not
> DEVICE_PRIVATE it is still device owned pages right?
> 
>> So to me, it makes more sense to specify the direction based on the
>> source location.
> 
> It feels strange because the driver doesn't always know or control the
> source?
> 
> Jason
> 

The driver can't really know where the source is currently located because the
API is designed to not initially hold the page locks, migrate_vma_setup() only knows
the source once it holds the page table locks and isolates/locks the pages being
migrated. The direction and pgmap_owner are supposed to filter which pages
the caller is interested in migrating.
Perhaps the direction should instead be a flags field with separate bits for
system memory and device private memory selecting source candidates for
migration. I can imagine use cases for all 4 combinations of
d->d, d->s, s->d, and s->s being valid.

I didn't really think a direction was needed, this was something that
Christoph Hellwig seemed to think made the API safer.

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Ralph Campbell <rcampbell@nvidia.com>
To: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>
Cc: linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	nouveau@lists.freedesktop.org, kvm-ppc@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Jerome Glisse <jglisse@redhat.com>,
	John Hubbard <jhubbard@nvidia.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Shuah Khan <shuah@kernel.org>, Ben Skeggs <bskeggs@redhat.com>,
	Bharata B Rao <bharata@linux.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 2/5] mm/migrate: add a direction parameter to migrate_vma
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2020 13:49:09 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <fdfde6a0-f2bf-c0b2-0283-c882aa755292@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200720195943.GH2021234@nvidia.com>


On 7/20/20 12:59 PM, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 12:54:53PM -0700, Ralph Campbell wrote:
>>>> diff --git a/include/linux/migrate.h b/include/linux/migrate.h
>>>> index 3e546cbf03dd..620f2235d7d4 100644
>>>> +++ b/include/linux/migrate.h
>>>> @@ -180,6 +180,11 @@ static inline unsigned long migrate_pfn(unsigned long pfn)
>>>>    	return (pfn << MIGRATE_PFN_SHIFT) | MIGRATE_PFN_VALID;
>>>>    }
>>>> +enum migrate_vma_direction {
>>>> +	MIGRATE_VMA_FROM_SYSTEM,
>>>> +	MIGRATE_VMA_FROM_DEVICE_PRIVATE,
>>>> +};
>>>
>>> I would have guessed this is more natural as _FROM_DEVICE_ and
>>> TO_DEVICE_ ?
>>
>> The caller controls where the destination memory is allocated so it isn't
>> necessarily device private memory, it could be from system to system.
>> The use case for system to system memory migration is for hardware
>> like ARM SMMU or PCIe ATS where a single set of page tables is shared by
>> the device and a CPU process over a coherent system memory bus.
>> Also many integrated GPUs in SOCs fall into this category too.
> 
> Maybe just TO/FROM_DEIVCE then? Even though the memory is not
> DEVICE_PRIVATE it is still device owned pages right?
> 
>> So to me, it makes more sense to specify the direction based on the
>> source location.
> 
> It feels strange because the driver doesn't always know or control the
> source?
> 
> Jason
> 

The driver can't really know where the source is currently located because the
API is designed to not initially hold the page locks, migrate_vma_setup() only knows
the source once it holds the page table locks and isolates/locks the pages being
migrated. The direction and pgmap_owner are supposed to filter which pages
the caller is interested in migrating.
Perhaps the direction should instead be a flags field with separate bits for
system memory and device private memory selecting source candidates for
migration. I can imagine use cases for all 4 combinations of
d->d, d->s, s->d, and s->s being valid.

I didn't really think a direction was needed, this was something that
Christoph Hellwig seemed to think made the API safer.

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Ralph Campbell <rcampbell@nvidia.com>
To: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>
Cc: linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	nouveau@lists.freedesktop.org, kvm-ppc@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Jerome Glisse <jglisse@redhat.com>,
	John Hubbard <jhubbard@nvidia.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Shuah Khan <shuah@kernel.org>, Ben Skeggs <bskeggs@redhat.com>,
	Bharata B Rao <bharata@linux.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 2/5] mm/migrate: add a direction parameter to migrate_vma
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2020 20:49:09 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <fdfde6a0-f2bf-c0b2-0283-c882aa755292@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200720195943.GH2021234@nvidia.com>


On 7/20/20 12:59 PM, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 12:54:53PM -0700, Ralph Campbell wrote:
>>>> diff --git a/include/linux/migrate.h b/include/linux/migrate.h
>>>> index 3e546cbf03dd..620f2235d7d4 100644
>>>> +++ b/include/linux/migrate.h
>>>> @@ -180,6 +180,11 @@ static inline unsigned long migrate_pfn(unsigned long pfn)
>>>>    	return (pfn << MIGRATE_PFN_SHIFT) | MIGRATE_PFN_VALID;
>>>>    }
>>>> +enum migrate_vma_direction {
>>>> +	MIGRATE_VMA_FROM_SYSTEM,
>>>> +	MIGRATE_VMA_FROM_DEVICE_PRIVATE,
>>>> +};
>>>
>>> I would have guessed this is more natural as _FROM_DEVICE_ and
>>> TO_DEVICE_ ?
>>
>> The caller controls where the destination memory is allocated so it isn't
>> necessarily device private memory, it could be from system to system.
>> The use case for system to system memory migration is for hardware
>> like ARM SMMU or PCIe ATS where a single set of page tables is shared by
>> the device and a CPU process over a coherent system memory bus.
>> Also many integrated GPUs in SOCs fall into this category too.
> 
> Maybe just TO/FROM_DEIVCE then? Even though the memory is not
> DEVICE_PRIVATE it is still device owned pages right?
> 
>> So to me, it makes more sense to specify the direction based on the
>> source location.
> 
> It feels strange because the driver doesn't always know or control the
> source?
> 
> Jason
> 

The driver can't really know where the source is currently located because the
API is designed to not initially hold the page locks, migrate_vma_setup() only knows
the source once it holds the page table locks and isolates/locks the pages being
migrated. The direction and pgmap_owner are supposed to filter which pages
the caller is interested in migrating.
Perhaps the direction should instead be a flags field with separate bits for
system memory and device private memory selecting source candidates for
migration. I can imagine use cases for all 4 combinations of
d->d, d->s, s->d, and s->s being valid.

I didn't really think a direction was needed, this was something that
Christoph Hellwig seemed to think made the API safer.

  reply	other threads:[~2020-07-20 20:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-07-13 17:21 [PATCH v2 0/5] mm/migrate: avoid device private invalidations Ralph Campbell
2020-07-13 17:21 ` Ralph Campbell
2020-07-13 17:21 ` Ralph Campbell
2020-07-13 17:21 ` [PATCH v2 1/5] nouveau: fix storing invalid ptes Ralph Campbell
2020-07-13 17:21   ` Ralph Campbell
2020-07-13 17:21   ` Ralph Campbell
2020-07-13 17:21 ` [PATCH v2 2/5] mm/migrate: add a direction parameter to migrate_vma Ralph Campbell
2020-07-13 17:21   ` Ralph Campbell
2020-07-13 17:21   ` Ralph Campbell
2020-07-20 18:36   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-07-20 18:36     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-07-20 18:36     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-07-20 19:54     ` Ralph Campbell
2020-07-20 19:54       ` Ralph Campbell
2020-07-20 19:54       ` Ralph Campbell
2020-07-20 19:59       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-07-20 19:59         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-07-20 19:59         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-07-20 20:49         ` Ralph Campbell [this message]
2020-07-20 20:49           ` Ralph Campbell
2020-07-20 20:49           ` Ralph Campbell
2020-07-20 23:16           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-07-20 23:16             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-07-20 23:16             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-07-20 23:53             ` Ralph Campbell
2020-07-20 23:53               ` Ralph Campbell
2020-07-20 23:53               ` Ralph Campbell
2020-07-13 17:21 ` [PATCH v2 3/5] mm/notifier: add migration invalidation type Ralph Campbell
2020-07-13 17:21   ` Ralph Campbell
2020-07-13 17:21   ` Ralph Campbell
2020-07-20 18:40   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-07-20 18:40     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-07-20 19:56     ` Ralph Campbell
2020-07-20 19:56       ` Ralph Campbell
2020-07-20 19:56       ` Ralph Campbell
2020-07-13 17:21 ` [PATCH v2 4/5] nouveau/svm: use the new migration invalidation Ralph Campbell
2020-07-13 17:21   ` Ralph Campbell
2020-07-13 17:21   ` Ralph Campbell
2020-07-13 17:21 ` [PATCH v2 5/5] mm/hmm/test: " Ralph Campbell
2020-07-13 17:21   ` Ralph Campbell
2020-07-13 17:21   ` Ralph Campbell
2020-07-20 18:41 ` [PATCH v2 0/5] mm/migrate: avoid device private invalidations Jason Gunthorpe
2020-07-20 18:41   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-07-20 18:41   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-07-20 19:58   ` Ralph Campbell
2020-07-20 19:58     ` Ralph Campbell
2020-07-20 19:58     ` Ralph Campbell

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