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From: "Govind Salinas" <govind@sophiasuchtig.com>
To: "André Goddard Rosa" <andre.goddard@gmail.com>
Cc: "Junio C Hamano" <gitster@pobox.com>,
	"Ingo Molnar" <mingo@elte.hu>,
	git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: git annoyances
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 14:45:36 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5d46db230804101245yf4a0c22qaee99f2c01256938@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <b8bf37780804091656s2f24ebe5h758884e63cea4845@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 6:56 PM, André Goddard Rosa
<andre.goddard@gmail.com> wrote:
> >  > but it was a PITA and all of git's messages about the problem were not
>  >  > only unhelpful, they confused me into looking for problems where there
>  >  > were none IMO.
>  >
>  >  Yes, we need to teach "git" to do more mind-reading (I am not being
>  >  sarcastic).  There should be a pattern in common user errors that share
>  >  their roots to the same user misperception, and if we can identify that,
>  >  maybe we can make git guess what the user was really trying to do and give
>  >  better error messages than it currently does.
>
>  Something along the lines of:
>
>  Error description
>  Why it happened
>  How to solve/Sugestion
>

Hi,

This actually touches on one of my main purposes  behind Pyrite.  I intend to
do the following things to help the situation and I was wondering what the
git community's reaction is.

1) Since it will be designed for end users I intend to remove the options not
designed for end users.  This will also shorten up the help so that the entire
help can be shown to the user when they encounter an error.

2) No unnamed options.  I think this would have helped the above case
although it would have required a *bit* more typing.  The command would
have looked like "pyt pull/fetch -r x86 -b latest"  Combined with the above
the command would have spit out the help and a message stating what was
missing.

3) No syntax.  Git has a lot of syntax.  It has refspecs, revision ranges,
symbolic names (although i do like these) that a user has to learn.  I
think this
is one of the most error prone parts of the git for new users.
Hopefully, I will
be able to find simple and straightforward ways for the user to supply
this info.

Any comments/suggestions will be appreciated.

Thanks,
Govind.

  reply	other threads:[~2008-04-10 19:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 86+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-04-09 10:14 git annoyances Ingo Molnar
2008-04-09 10:41 ` Björn Steinbrink
2008-04-09 14:57 ` Jeff King
2008-04-09 15:15   ` [PATCH] git-remote: show all remotes with "git remote show" Jeff King
2008-04-09 16:54     ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-04-10 10:56       ` Junio C Hamano
2008-04-09 20:07     ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-10 19:59     ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-09 17:08   ` git annoyances Avery Pennarun
2008-04-10  8:41     ` Karl Hasselström
2008-04-10 15:05       ` Avery Pennarun
2008-04-11  7:00         ` Karl Hasselström
2008-04-09 20:08   ` Friendly refspecs (Was: Re: git annoyances) Teemu Likonen
2008-04-09 20:32     ` Avery Pennarun
2008-04-09 20:34     ` Jeff King
2008-04-09 22:25       ` Teemu Likonen
2008-04-09 22:51         ` Jeff King
2008-04-10  0:03           ` Jeff King
2008-04-10  0:11             ` Jeff King
2008-04-10  7:51               ` Friendly refspecs Junio C Hamano
2008-04-10  8:03                 ` Jeff King
     [not found]           ` <bd6139dc0804091616k53f4e0c1sf75aa9585c5a54c5@mail.gmail.com>
2008-04-10  0:33             ` Friendly refspecs (Was: Re: git annoyances) Jeff King
2008-04-10  7:58               ` Sverre Rabbelier
2008-04-13  9:31           ` Friendly refspecs Teemu Likonen
2008-04-13  9:34             ` [PATCH] Add examples section to 'git fetch' manual Teemu Likonen
2008-04-13 18:56               ` Junio C Hamano
2008-04-13 19:48                 ` Matt Graham
2008-04-13 20:05                 ` Teemu Likonen
2008-04-14  1:02                   ` Junio C Hamano
2008-04-16  3:48             ` Friendly refspecs Jeff King
2008-04-16  4:25               ` Jeff King
2008-04-16  4:41               ` Junio C Hamano
2008-04-16  4:47                 ` Jeff King
2008-04-16 15:42               ` Daniel Barkalow
2008-04-16 20:03                 ` Junio C Hamano
2008-04-22 10:56                   ` Jeff King
2008-04-22 16:52                     ` Junio C Hamano
2008-04-22 17:19                       ` Daniel Barkalow
2008-04-22 20:12                         ` Jeff King
2008-04-22 20:05                       ` Jeff King
2008-04-22 20:45                         ` Junio C Hamano
2008-04-22 21:52                           ` Jeff King
2008-04-23  4:24                           ` Teemu Likonen
2008-04-23  5:52                             ` Junio C Hamano
2008-04-23  6:24                               ` Andreas Ericsson
2008-04-23  9:16                               ` Jeff King
2008-04-23  9:21                                 ` Jeff King
2008-04-23 11:15                                   ` Teemu Likonen
2008-04-09 21:21     ` Junio C Hamano
2008-04-10  7:38       ` Teemu Likonen
2008-04-12 18:59   ` git annoyances Santiago Gala
2008-04-09 19:21 ` Daniel Barkalow
2008-04-09 20:41   ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-10 14:08     ` Daniel Barkalow
2008-04-09 21:04 ` Junio C Hamano
2008-04-09 21:39   ` Jon Loeliger
2008-04-09 23:45     ` Nicolas Pitre
2008-04-09 21:45   ` Jeff King
2008-04-09 23:56   ` André Goddard Rosa
2008-04-10 19:45     ` Govind Salinas [this message]
2008-04-10  6:08   ` Jean-Christian de Rivaz
2008-04-10  8:19     ` Sverre Rabbelier
2008-04-10 11:47 ` git-bisect annoyances Ingo Molnar
2008-04-11  5:41   ` Christian Couder
2008-04-11 11:41     ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-12  6:56       ` Christian Couder
2008-04-11  5:56   ` Junio C Hamano
2008-04-10 23:25 ` [PATCH] When a remote is added but not fetched, tell the user Gabriel
2008-04-11 15:21   ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-04-11 18:35     ` Gabriel
2008-04-11 18:39       ` [PATCH] Default to fetching a remote after adding it Gabriel
2008-04-11 19:17         ` Stephen Sinclair
2008-04-12 14:33         ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-04-12 15:13           ` Gabriel
2008-04-12 15:24             ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-04-11 19:08       ` [PATCH] When a remote is added but not fetched, tell the user Teemu Likonen
2008-04-11 21:39         ` Junio C Hamano
2008-04-11 22:35           ` Sverre Rabbelier
2008-04-11 23:15             ` Junio C Hamano
2008-04-11 23:20               ` Sverre Rabbelier
2008-04-15  3:15         ` Miles Bader
2008-04-11 19:29       ` [PATCH] Default to fetching a remote after adding it Gabriel
2008-04-11 19:36         ` Wincent Colaiuta
2008-04-11 19:46           ` Gabriel
2008-04-11 10:15 ` git annoyances Luciano Rocha
2008-04-11 10:27   ` Wincent Colaiuta

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