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From: Jeff King <peff@peff.net>
To: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
Cc: "Felipe Contreras" <felipe.contreras@gmail.com>,
	"Elijah Newren" <newren@gmail.com>,
	"Jacob Keller" <jacob.keller@gmail.com>,
	"Git Mailing List" <git@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Vít Ondruch" <vondruch@redhat.com>,
	"Alex Henrie" <alexhenrie24@gmail.com>,
	"Philip Oakley" <philipoakley@iee.email>,
	"Theodore Y . Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>,
	"John Keeping" <john@keeping.me.uk>,
	"Richard Hansen" <rhansen@rhansen.org>,
	"Brian M. Carlson" <sandals@crustytoothpaste.net>,
	"W. Trevor King" <wking@tremily.us>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 02/14] pull: improve default warning
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 21:31:31 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <X9ggAxk/z0D9Qom+@coredump.intra.peff.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <xmqqtussirsl.fsf@gitster.c.googlers.com>

On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 11:17:01PM -0800, Junio C Hamano wrote:

> You want to let the user express: "I do not want to choose either
> rebase or merge.  I want 'pull' to fail when it needs to deal with
> non-ff history.  But I do not need to be told about command line
> option and configuration every time."
> 
> I said I don't (I view that disabling half the "git pull" just a
> safe fallback behaviour until the user chooses between merge and
> rebase), but if we wanted to offer it as a valid choice to users, we
> can do so.  We just make it possible to squelch the latter two parts
> of the three-part message---you leave pull.rebase unconfigured and
> squelch the latter two parts of the message, and you got the "stop
> me, I do not merge or rebase, but don't even tell me how to further
> configure" already.

FWIW, I would be such a user who would want to squelch the error but
keep the ff-only behavior (and have been doing so for years via
pull.ff=only).

I primarily use "git pull" only with branches where I am tracking
upstream work, but don't have any of my own (e.g., if I do all of my
work on topic branches, I may still keep a "master" branch that mirrors
"origin/master", and use "git checkout master && git pull" to
fast-forward it).

So I think this is a valuable thing to have. And it does work just fine
already, without pull.mode. The reasons to care about pull.mode (IMHO)
are mostly about explaining it:

  - it isn't respected with rebase. So if you set pull.rebase=true, now
    pull.ff=only does nothing. This is arguably confusing, though I
    doubt it comes up much in practice.

  - having a single tri-state of merge/rebase/error for "what do I do
    when pulling a non-fast-forward merge" is conceptually simple and
    easy to explain.

So I like pull.mode in that sense. But it is also weighed against the
fact that we'd still have to support pull.rebase, and we'd still have to
support pull.ff, and explain how those interact with pull.mode (and I
think any new error in this area must be squelched by those existing
variables, or it would be a regression for people who already picked
their default long ago).

> But there is an established way used in this project when we allow
> squelching overly-helpful help messages, and we can apply it here as
> well.  That way:
> 
>  - unconfigured folks would get all the three parts of the messages,
>    just like the current system.
> 
>  - if you tell rebase or merge, you do not see any.
> 
>  - if you do not choose between rebase or merge, you can still
>    squelch the latter two by setting advice.pullNonFF to false.
> 
> The last one is "keep the more dangerous half of 'git pull' disabled,
> without getting told how to enable it over and over", which is what
> you want to be able to specify.

Using advice.* to squelch the advice would be fine with me, provided it
was _also_ squelched by the existing config options.

Which I think is where your thinking is ending up.

-Peff

  parent reply	other threads:[~2020-12-15  2:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 79+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-12-04  6:16 [PATCH v2 00/14] pull: default warning improvements Felipe Contreras
2020-12-04  6:16 ` [PATCH v2 01/14] doc: pull: explain what is a fast-forward Felipe Contreras
2020-12-04 22:55   ` Elijah Newren
2020-12-05  1:21   ` Jacob Keller
2020-12-04  6:16 ` [PATCH v2 02/14] pull: improve default warning Felipe Contreras
2020-12-04 22:59   ` Elijah Newren
2020-12-05  0:12     ` Felipe Contreras
2020-12-05  0:56       ` Elijah Newren
2020-12-05  1:56         ` Felipe Contreras
2020-12-05  9:23           ` Chris Torek
2020-12-05 11:47             ` Felipe Contreras
2020-12-05 16:28           ` Elijah Newren
2020-12-05 21:27             ` Felipe Contreras
2020-12-06  1:01               ` Elijah Newren
2020-12-06 14:31                 ` Felipe Contreras
2020-12-07  7:26                 ` Junio C Hamano
2020-12-07  9:16                   ` Felipe Contreras
2020-12-07 18:16                     ` Junio C Hamano
2020-12-07 19:09                       ` Felipe Contreras
2020-12-07 19:53                         ` Junio C Hamano
2020-12-07 22:14                           ` Felipe Contreras
2020-12-07 23:30                           ` Jacob Keller
2020-12-08  2:23                             ` Junio C Hamano
2020-12-08  3:15                               ` Felipe Contreras
2020-12-08 20:16                                 ` Junio C Hamano
2020-12-09  9:52                                   ` Felipe Contreras
2020-12-09 19:05                                     ` Elijah Newren
2020-12-10  2:39                                       ` Felipe Contreras
2020-12-10  6:45                                       ` Junio C Hamano
2020-12-10  9:08                                         ` Felipe Contreras
2020-12-10 10:01                                           ` Felipe Contreras
2020-12-11  7:17                                           ` Junio C Hamano
2020-12-11 11:33                                             ` Felipe Contreras
2020-12-14 21:04                                               ` Junio C Hamano
2020-12-14 22:30                                                 ` Felipe Contreras
2020-12-14 23:14                                                   ` Junio C Hamano
2020-12-15  2:36                                                     ` Felipe Contreras
2020-12-15  2:31                                             ` Jeff King [this message]
2020-12-15  3:49                                               ` Felipe Contreras
2020-12-15 11:18                                               ` Junio C Hamano
2020-12-15 12:53                                                 ` Felipe Contreras
2020-12-07  9:23         ` Felipe Contreras
2020-12-04  6:16 ` [PATCH v2 03/14] pull: refactor fast-forward check Felipe Contreras
2020-12-04  6:16 ` [PATCH v2 04/14] pull: cleanup autostash check Felipe Contreras
2020-12-04 23:07   ` Elijah Newren
2020-12-05  0:47     ` Felipe Contreras
2020-12-05  0:57       ` Elijah Newren
2020-12-04  6:16 ` [PATCH v2 05/14] pull: trivial cleanup Felipe Contreras
2020-12-04 23:09   ` Elijah Newren
2020-12-05  0:48     ` Felipe Contreras
2020-12-04  6:16 ` [PATCH v2 06/14] pull: move default warning Felipe Contreras
2020-12-04 23:18   ` Elijah Newren
2020-12-04 23:36     ` Felipe Contreras
2020-12-04  6:16 ` [PATCH v2 07/14] pull: display default warning only when non-ff Felipe Contreras
2020-12-04 23:24   ` Elijah Newren
2020-12-05  1:03     ` Felipe Contreras
2020-12-04  6:16 ` [PATCH v2 08/14] pull: trivial whitespace style fix Felipe Contreras
2020-12-04  6:16 ` [PATCH v2 09/14] pull: introduce --merge option Felipe Contreras
2020-12-04 23:27   ` Elijah Newren
2020-12-05  1:06     ` Felipe Contreras
2020-12-04  6:16 ` [PATCH v2 10/14] pull: add proper error with --ff-only Felipe Contreras
2020-12-04 23:34   ` Elijah Newren
2020-12-05  1:18     ` Felipe Contreras
2020-12-04  6:16 ` [PATCH v2 11/14] tentative: pull: change the semantics of --ff-only Felipe Contreras
2020-12-04 23:39   ` Elijah Newren
2020-12-05  4:01     ` Felipe Contreras
2020-12-05  4:06       ` [PATCH] experiment: pull: change --ff-only and default mode Felipe Contreras
2020-12-05 17:29         ` Elijah Newren
2020-12-05 18:16           ` Felipe Contreras
2020-12-07  7:34           ` Junio C Hamano
2020-12-05 11:37       ` [PATCH v2 11/14] tentative: pull: change the semantics of --ff-only Felipe Contreras
2020-12-04  6:16 ` [PATCH v2 12/14] pull: show warning with --ff Felipe Contreras
2020-12-04 23:41   ` Elijah Newren
2020-12-05  1:25     ` Felipe Contreras
2020-12-04  6:16 ` [PATCH v2 13/14] test: merge-pull-config: trivial cleanup Felipe Contreras
2020-12-04 23:41   ` Elijah Newren
2020-12-04  6:16 ` [PATCH v2 14/14] test: pull-options: revert unnecessary changes Felipe Contreras
2020-12-04 23:49   ` Elijah Newren
2020-12-05  1:28     ` Felipe Contreras

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