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From: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
To: Patrick Steinhardt <ps@pks.im>
Cc: "Neeraj Singh" <nksingh85@gmail.com>,
	"Neeraj Singh via GitGitGadget" <gitgitgadget@gmail.com>,
	"Git List" <git@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Randall S. Becker" <rsbecker@nexbridge.com>,
	"Bagas Sanjaya" <bagasdotme@gmail.com>,
	"Elijah Newren" <newren@gmail.com>,
	"Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason" <avarab@gmail.com>,
	"Neeraj K. Singh" <neerajsi@microsoft.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 2/4] core.fsync: introduce granular fsync control
Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2022 12:03:11 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <xmqqpmmuki68.fsf@gitster.g> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YiiuqK/tCnQOXrSV@ncase> (Patrick Steinhardt's message of "Wed, 9 Mar 2022 14:42:00 +0100")

Patrick Steinhardt <ps@pks.im> writes:

>> If the user cares about fsynching loose object files in the right
>> way, we shouldn't leave loose ref files not following the safe
>> safety level, regardless of how this new core.fsync knobs would look
>> like.
>> 
>> I think we three are in agreement on that.
>
> Is there anything I can specifically do to help out with this topic? We
> have again hit data loss in production because we don't sync loose refs
> to disk before renaming them into place, so I'd really love to sort out
> this issue somehow so that I can revive my patch series which fixes the
> known repository corruption [1].

How about doing a series to unconditionally sync loose ref creation
and modification?

Alternatively, we could link it to the existing configuration to
control synching of object files.

I do not think core.fsyncObjectFiles having "object" in its name is
a good reason not to think those who set it to true only care about
the loose object files and nothing else.  It is more sensible to
consider that those who set it to true cares about the repository
integrity more than those who set it to false, I would think.

But that (i.e. doing it conditionally and choose which knob to use)
is one extra thing that needs justification, so starting from
unconditional fsync_or_die() may be the best way to ease it in.


  parent reply	other threads:[~2022-03-09 20:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 122+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-12-04  3:28 [PATCH 0/2] A design for future-proofing fsync() configuration Neeraj K. Singh via GitGitGadget
2021-12-04  3:28 ` [PATCH 1/2] fsync: add writeout-only mode for fsyncing repo data Neeraj Singh via GitGitGadget
2021-12-06  7:54   ` Neeraj Singh
2021-12-04  3:28 ` [PATCH 2/2] core.fsync: introduce granular fsync control Neeraj Singh via GitGitGadget
2021-12-07  2:46 ` [PATCH v2 0/3] A design for future-proofing fsync() configuration Neeraj K. Singh via GitGitGadget
2021-12-07  2:46   ` [PATCH v2 1/3] core.fsyncmethod: add writeout-only mode Neeraj Singh via GitGitGadget
2021-12-07 11:44     ` Patrick Steinhardt
2021-12-07 12:14       ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-12-07 23:29       ` Neeraj Singh
2021-12-07 12:18     ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-12-07 23:58       ` Neeraj Singh
2021-12-07  2:46   ` [PATCH v2 2/3] core.fsync: introduce granular fsync control Neeraj Singh via GitGitGadget
2021-12-07 11:53     ` Patrick Steinhardt
2021-12-07 20:46       ` Neeraj Singh
2021-12-07 12:29     ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-12-07 21:44       ` Neeraj Singh
2021-12-08 10:05         ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-12-09  0:14           ` Neeraj Singh
2021-12-09  0:44             ` Junio C Hamano
2021-12-09  4:08             ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-12-09  6:18               ` Neeraj Singh
2022-01-18 23:50                 ` Neeraj Singh
2022-01-19 15:28                   ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-01-19 14:52                 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-01-28  1:28                   ` Neeraj Singh
2021-12-07  2:46   ` [PATCH v2 3/3] core.fsync: new option to harden the index Neeraj Singh via GitGitGadget
2021-12-07 11:56   ` [PATCH v2 0/3] A design for future-proofing fsync() configuration Patrick Steinhardt
2021-12-08  0:44     ` Neeraj Singh
2021-12-09  0:57   ` [PATCH v3 0/4] " Neeraj K. Singh via GitGitGadget
2021-12-09  0:57     ` [PATCH v3 1/4] core.fsyncmethod: add writeout-only mode Neeraj Singh via GitGitGadget
2021-12-09  0:57     ` [PATCH v3 2/4] core.fsync: introduce granular fsync control Neeraj Singh via GitGitGadget
2021-12-09  0:57     ` [PATCH v3 3/4] core.fsync: new option to harden the index Neeraj Singh via GitGitGadget
2021-12-09  0:57     ` [PATCH v3 4/4] core.fsync: add a `derived-metadata` aggregate option Neeraj Singh via GitGitGadget
2022-01-08  1:13     ` [PATCH v3 0/4] A design for future-proofing fsync() configuration Neeraj Singh
2022-01-09  0:55       ` rsbecker
2022-01-10 19:00         ` Neeraj Singh
2022-02-01  3:33     ` [PATCH v4 " Neeraj K. Singh via GitGitGadget
2022-02-01  3:33       ` [PATCH v4 1/4] core.fsyncmethod: add writeout-only mode Neeraj Singh via GitGitGadget
2022-02-01  3:33       ` [PATCH v4 2/4] core.fsync: introduce granular fsync control Neeraj Singh via GitGitGadget
2022-02-02  0:51         ` Junio C Hamano
2022-02-02  1:42           ` Junio C Hamano
2022-02-11 21:18             ` Neeraj Singh
2022-02-11 22:19               ` Junio C Hamano
2022-02-11 23:04                 ` Neeraj Singh
2022-02-11 23:15                   ` Junio C Hamano
2022-02-12  0:39                     ` rsbecker
2022-02-14  7:04                     ` Patrick Steinhardt
2022-02-14 17:17                       ` Junio C Hamano
2022-03-09 13:42                         ` Patrick Steinhardt
2022-03-09 18:50                           ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-03-09 20:03                           ` Junio C Hamano [this message]
2022-03-10 12:33                             ` Patrick Steinhardt
2022-03-10 17:15                               ` Junio C Hamano
2022-03-09 20:05                           ` Neeraj Singh
2022-02-11 20:38           ` Neeraj Singh
2022-02-01  3:33       ` [PATCH v4 3/4] core.fsync: new option to harden the index Neeraj Singh via GitGitGadget
2022-02-01  3:33       ` [PATCH v4 4/4] core.fsync: add a `derived-metadata` aggregate option Neeraj Singh via GitGitGadget
2022-03-09 23:03       ` [PATCH v5 0/5] A design for future-proofing fsync() configuration Neeraj K. Singh via GitGitGadget
2022-03-09 23:03         ` [PATCH v5 1/5] wrapper: move inclusion of CSPRNG headers the wrapper.c file Neeraj Singh via GitGitGadget
2022-03-09 23:29           ` Junio C Hamano
2022-03-10  1:21             ` Neeraj Singh
2022-03-10  1:26           ` brian m. carlson
2022-03-10  1:56             ` Neeraj Singh
2022-03-09 23:03         ` [PATCH v5 2/5] core.fsyncmethod: add writeout-only mode Neeraj Singh via GitGitGadget
2022-03-09 23:48           ` Junio C Hamano
2022-03-09 23:03         ` [PATCH v5 3/5] core.fsync: introduce granular fsync control Neeraj Singh via GitGitGadget
2022-03-10  0:21           ` Junio C Hamano
2022-03-10  2:53             ` Neeraj Singh
2022-03-10  7:19               ` Junio C Hamano
2022-03-10 18:38                 ` Neeraj Singh
2022-03-10 18:44                   ` Junio C Hamano
2022-03-10 19:57                     ` Junio C Hamano
2022-03-10 20:25                       ` Neeraj Singh
2022-03-10 21:17                         ` Junio C Hamano
2022-03-10 13:11               ` Johannes Schindelin
2022-03-10 17:18               ` Junio C Hamano
2022-03-09 23:03         ` [PATCH v5 4/5] core.fsync: new option to harden the index Neeraj Singh via GitGitGadget
2022-03-09 23:03         ` [PATCH v5 5/5] core.fsync: documentation and user-friendly aggregate options Neeraj Singh via GitGitGadget
2022-03-10  9:53         ` Future-proofed syncing of refs Patrick Steinhardt
2022-03-10  9:53         ` [PATCH 6/8] core.fsync: add `fsync_component()` wrapper which doesn't die Patrick Steinhardt
2022-03-10 17:34           ` Junio C Hamano
2022-03-10 18:40             ` Neeraj Singh
2022-03-10  9:53         ` [PATCH 7/8] core.fsync: new option to harden loose references Patrick Steinhardt
2022-03-10 18:25           ` Junio C Hamano
2022-03-10 19:03             ` Neeraj Singh
2022-03-10 22:54           ` Neeraj Singh
2022-03-11  6:40           ` Junio C Hamano
2022-03-11  9:15             ` Patrick Steinhardt
2022-03-11  9:36               ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-03-10  9:53         ` [PATCH 8/8] core.fsync: new option to harden packed references Patrick Steinhardt
2022-03-10 18:28           ` Junio C Hamano
2022-03-11  9:10             ` Patrick Steinhardt
2022-03-10 22:43         ` [PATCH v6 0/6] A design for future-proofing fsync() configuration Neeraj K. Singh via GitGitGadget
2022-03-10 22:43           ` [PATCH v6 1/6] wrapper: make inclusion of Windows csprng header tightly scoped Neeraj Singh via GitGitGadget
2022-03-10 22:43           ` [PATCH v6 2/6] core.fsyncmethod: add writeout-only mode Neeraj Singh via GitGitGadget
2022-03-10 22:43           ` [PATCH v6 3/6] core.fsync: introduce granular fsync control infrastructure Neeraj Singh via GitGitGadget
2022-03-10 22:43           ` [PATCH v6 4/6] core.fsync: add configuration parsing Neeraj Singh via GitGitGadget
2022-03-28 11:06             ` Jiang Xin
2022-03-28 19:45               ` Neeraj Singh
2022-03-10 22:43           ` [PATCH v6 5/6] core.fsync: new option to harden the index Neeraj Singh via GitGitGadget
2022-03-10 22:43           ` [PATCH v6 6/6] core.fsync: documentation and user-friendly aggregate options Neeraj Singh via GitGitGadget
2022-03-15 19:12             ` [PATCH v7] " Neeraj Singh
2022-03-15 19:32               ` Junio C Hamano
2022-03-15 19:56                 ` Neeraj Singh
2022-03-23 14:20               ` do we have too much fsync() configuration in 'next'? (was: [PATCH v7] core.fsync: documentation and user-friendly aggregate options) Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-03-25 21:24                 ` Neeraj Singh
2022-03-26  0:24                   ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-03-26  1:23                     ` do we have too much fsync() configuration in 'next'? Junio C Hamano
2022-03-26  1:25                     ` do we have too much fsync() configuration in 'next'? (was: [PATCH v7] core.fsync: documentation and user-friendly aggregate options) Neeraj Singh
2022-03-26 15:31                       ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-03-27  5:27                         ` Neeraj Singh
2022-03-27 12:43                           ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-03-28 10:56                             ` Patrick Steinhardt
2022-03-28 11:25                               ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-03-28 19:56                                 ` Neeraj Singh
2022-03-30 16:59                                   ` Neeraj Singh
2022-03-10 23:34           ` [PATCH v6 0/6] A design for future-proofing fsync() configuration Junio C Hamano
2022-03-11  0:03             ` Neeraj Singh
2022-03-11 18:50               ` Neeraj Singh
2022-03-13 23:50             ` Junio C Hamano
2022-03-11  9:58           ` [PATCH v2] core.fsync: new option to harden references Patrick Steinhardt
2022-03-25  6:11             ` SZEDER Gábor

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