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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>
Cc: Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>,
	Jeff Vander Stoep <jeffv@google.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@kernel.org>,
	Alexander Shishkin <alexander.shishkin@linux.intel.com>,
	"linux-doc@vger.kernel.org" <linux-doc@vger.kernel.org>,
	"kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com"
	<kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>
Subject: Re: [kernel-hardening] Re: [PATCH 1/2] security, perf: allow further restriction of perf_event_open
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2016 17:37:42 +0200
Message-ID: <20160804153742.GN6879@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87y44c1s9y.fsf@x220.int.ebiederm.org>

On Thu, Aug 04, 2016 at 10:13:29AM -0500, Eric W. Biederman wrote:

> The bits useful to the perf situation are:
> - user namespaces nest.
> - anyone can create a user namespace.
> - a sysctl can be bound to the userns that takes local privilege to
>   change so you can't override it arbitrarily.
> 
> Which is a long way of saying a user namespace is one way of marking
> processes that may or may not use perf.
> 
> It was given in this case as an example of something that has been
> looked at that appears to solve peoples concerns.

> What is attractive to me semantically about something like this is
> applications that have perf_event disabled can still be traced with perf.

> > So far I'm still liking the new capability bit better, assuming I
> > understood those right.
> 
> Your subsystem your call.  I have never had much luck with capability
> bits.  They are not particularly flexible, and are hard to get rid of
> permanently any suid root app gains them all.

Right, so I've no experience with any of this.

But from what I understood amluto recently made capabilities much more
useful with: 58319057b784 ("capabilities: ambient capabilities").

And the thing I like is having file capabilities, so even though the
user cannot in general create perf events, we could mark the
/usr/bin/perf executable as having CAP_PERF and allow it to create them,
because its a 'trusted' executable.

Can something like that be done with userns? Afaiu once you create a
userns with perf disabled, even a nested one cannot re-enable it,
otherwise you cannot create sandboxes.

  reply index

Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-07-27 14:45 [kernel-hardening] " Jeff Vander Stoep
2016-07-27 20:43 ` Kees Cook
2016-08-02  9:52 ` [kernel-hardening] " Peter Zijlstra
2016-08-02 13:04   ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2016-08-02 13:10     ` Daniel Micay
2016-08-02 13:16   ` Daniel Micay
2016-08-02 19:04   ` Kees Cook
2016-08-02 20:30     ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-08-02 20:51       ` Kees Cook
2016-08-02 21:06         ` Jeffrey Vander Stoep
2016-08-03  8:28         ` Ingo Molnar
2016-08-03 12:28           ` Daniel Micay
2016-08-03 12:53             ` Daniel Micay
2016-08-03 13:36             ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-08-03 14:41         ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-08-03 15:42           ` Schaufler, Casey
2016-08-03 17:25         ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-08-03 18:53           ` Kees Cook
2016-08-03 21:44             ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-08-04  2:50               ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-08-04  9:11                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-08-04 15:13                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-08-04 15:37                     ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2016-08-03 19:36           ` Daniel Micay
2016-08-04 10:28             ` Mark Rutland
2016-08-04 13:45               ` Daniel Micay
2016-08-04 14:11                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-08-04 15:44                   ` Daniel Micay
2016-08-04 15:55                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-08-04 16:10                     ` Mark Rutland
2016-08-04 16:32                       ` Daniel Micay
2016-08-04 17:09                         ` Mark Rutland
2016-08-04 17:36                           ` Daniel Micay
2016-08-02 21:16       ` Jeffrey Vander Stoep
2016-10-17 13:44 ` [kernel-hardening] " Mark Rutland
2016-10-17 14:54   ` Daniel Micay
2016-10-19  9:41     ` Mark Rutland
2016-10-19 15:16       ` Daniel Micay
2016-10-18 20:48   ` Kees Cook
2016-10-18 21:15     ` Daniel Micay
2016-10-19  9:56       ` Mark Rutland
2016-10-19 10:01       ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-10-19 10:26         ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2016-10-19 10:40           ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-10-19 15:39           ` Daniel Micay

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