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From: Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@redhat.com>
To: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>
Cc: Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, Andi Kleen <ak@linux.intel.com>,
	Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>,
	kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com, X86 ML <x86@kernel.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Alan Cox <alan@linux.intel.com>
Subject: [kernel-hardening] Re: [PATCH v2 07/19] x86: introduce __uaccess_begin_nospec and ASM_IFENCE
Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2018 12:58:15 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180112185815.meiwnnb5vmnrbsdt@treble> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAPcyv4heW2FqxpCa0NZeTsa5V7pgpzA-MdHYJA+y9C5L2GTP9w@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 10:21:43AM -0800, Dan Williams wrote:
> > That just sounds wrong.  What if the speculation starts *after* the
> > access_ok() check?  Then the barrier has no purpose.
> >
> > Most access_ok/get_user/copy_from_user calls are like this:
> >
> >   if (copy_from_user(...uptr..))  /* or access_ok() or get_user() */
> >         return -EFAULT;
> >
> > So in other words, the usercopy function is called *before* the branch.
> >
> > But to halt speculation, the lfence needs to come *after* the branch.
> > So putting lfences *before* the branch doesn't solve anything.
> >
> > So what am I missing?
> 
> We're trying to prevent a pointer under user control from being
> de-referenced inside the kernel, before we know it has been limited to
> something safe. In the following sequence the branch we are worried
> about speculating is the privilege check:
> 
> if (access_ok(uptr))  /* <--- Privelege Check */
>     if (copy_from_user_(uptr))
> 
> The cpu can speculatively skip that access_ok() check and cause a read
> of kernel memory.

Converting your example code to assembly:

	call	access_ok # no speculation which started before this point is allowed to continue past this point
	test	%rax, %rax
	jne	error_path
dereference_uptr:
	(do nefarious things with the user pointer)

error_path:
	mov -EINVAL, %rax
	ret

So the CPU is still free to speculately execute the dereference_uptr
block because the lfence was before the 'jne error_path' branch.

-- 
Josh

  reply	other threads:[~2018-01-12 18:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-01-12  0:46 [kernel-hardening] [PATCH v2 00/19] prevent bounds-check bypass via speculative execution Dan Williams
2018-01-12  0:46 ` [kernel-hardening] [PATCH v2 01/19] Documentation: document array_ptr Dan Williams
2018-01-12 10:38   ` [kernel-hardening] " Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-01-16 21:01   ` Kees Cook
2018-01-12  0:46 ` [kernel-hardening] [PATCH v2 02/19] arm64: implement ifence_array_ptr() Dan Williams
2018-01-12  0:46 ` [kernel-hardening] [PATCH v2 03/19] arm: " Dan Williams
2018-01-12  0:46 ` [kernel-hardening] [PATCH v2 04/19] x86: implement ifence() Dan Williams
2018-01-12  2:27   ` [kernel-hardening] " Eric W. Biederman
2018-01-12  3:39     ` Dan Williams
2018-01-12  0:46 ` [kernel-hardening] [PATCH v2 05/19] x86: implement ifence_array_ptr() and array_ptr_mask() Dan Williams
2018-01-12  0:46 ` [kernel-hardening] [PATCH v2 06/19] asm-generic/barrier: mask speculative execution flows Dan Williams
2018-01-12  2:42   ` [kernel-hardening] " Eric W. Biederman
2018-01-12  9:12   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-01-13  0:41     ` Dan Williams
2018-01-15  8:46       ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-01-12  0:47 ` [kernel-hardening] [PATCH v2 07/19] x86: introduce __uaccess_begin_nospec and ASM_IFENCE Dan Williams
2018-01-12 17:51   ` [kernel-hardening] " Josh Poimboeuf
2018-01-12 18:21     ` Dan Williams
2018-01-12 18:58       ` Josh Poimboeuf [this message]
2018-01-12 19:26         ` Dan Williams
2018-01-12 20:01           ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-12 20:41             ` Josh Poimboeuf
2018-01-12  0:47 ` [kernel-hardening] [PATCH v2 08/19] x86: use __uaccess_begin_nospec and ASM_IFENCE in get_user paths Dan Williams
2018-01-12  1:11   ` [kernel-hardening] " Linus Torvalds
2018-01-12  1:14     ` Dan Williams
2018-01-12  0:47 ` [kernel-hardening] [PATCH v2 09/19] ipv6: prevent bounds-check bypass via speculative execution Dan Williams
2018-01-12  0:47 ` [kernel-hardening] [PATCH v2 10/19] ipv4: " Dan Williams
2018-01-12  7:59   ` [kernel-hardening] " Greg KH
2018-01-12 18:47     ` Dan Williams
2018-01-13  8:56       ` Greg KH
2018-01-12  0:47 ` [kernel-hardening] [PATCH v2 11/19] vfs, fdtable: " Dan Williams
2018-01-12  0:47 ` [kernel-hardening] [PATCH v2 12/19] userns: " Dan Williams
2018-01-12  0:47 ` [kernel-hardening] [PATCH v2 13/19] udf: " Dan Williams
2018-01-15 10:32   ` [kernel-hardening] " Jan Kara
2018-01-15 17:49     ` Dan Williams
2018-01-12  0:47 ` [kernel-hardening] [PATCH v2 14/19] [media] uvcvideo: " Dan Williams
2018-08-06 21:40   ` Laurent Pinchart
2018-01-12  0:47 ` [kernel-hardening] [PATCH v2 15/19] carl9170: " Dan Williams
2018-01-12 14:42   ` [kernel-hardening] " Christian Lamparter
2018-01-12 18:39     ` Dan Williams
2018-01-12 20:01       ` Christian Lamparter
2018-01-12 23:05         ` Dan Williams
2018-01-12  0:47 ` [kernel-hardening] [PATCH v2 16/19] p54: " Dan Williams
2018-01-12  0:47 ` [kernel-hardening] [PATCH v2 17/19] qla2xxx: " Dan Williams
2018-01-12  1:19   ` [kernel-hardening] " James Bottomley
2018-01-12  5:38     ` Dan Williams
2018-01-12  6:05       ` James Bottomley
2018-01-12  0:48 ` [kernel-hardening] [PATCH v2 18/19] cw1200: " Dan Williams
2018-01-12  0:48 ` [kernel-hardening] [PATCH v2 19/19] net: mpls: " Dan Williams
2018-01-12  1:19 ` [kernel-hardening] Re: [PATCH v2 00/19] " Linus Torvalds
2018-01-12  1:41   ` Dan Williams
2018-01-18 13:18     ` Will Deacon
2018-01-18 16:58       ` Dan Williams
2018-01-18 17:05         ` Will Deacon
2018-01-18 21:41           ` Laurent Pinchart
2018-01-13  0:15   ` Tony Luck
2018-01-13 18:51     ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-16 19:21       ` Tony Luck
2018-01-12 10:02 ` Russell King - ARM Linux

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