From: Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net>,
Giovanni Gherdovich <ggherdovich@suse.com>,
Viresh Kumar <viresh.kumar@linaro.org>,
Julia Lawall <julia.lawall@inria.fr>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
kernel-janitors@vger.kernel.org,
Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>,
Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
Ben Segall <bsegall@google.com>,
Daniel Bristot de Oliveira <bristot@redhat.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Valentin Schneider <valentin.schneider@arm.com>,
Gilles Muller <Gilles.Muller@inria.fr>,
srinivas.pandruvada@linux.intel.com,
Linux PM <linux-pm@vger.kernel.org>,
Len Brown <len.brown@intel.com>
Subject: Re: default cpufreq gov, was: [PATCH] sched/fair: check for idle core
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2020 16:29:43 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20201022162943.GL32041@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20201022152514.GJ2611@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net>
On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 05:25:14PM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 03:52:50PM +0100, Mel Gorman wrote:
>
> > There are some questions
> > currently on whether schedutil is good enough when HWP is not available.
>
> Srinivas and Rafael will know better, but Intel does run a lot of tests
> and IIRC it was found that schedutil was on-par for !HWP. That was the
> basis for commit:
>
> 33aa46f252c7 ("cpufreq: intel_pstate: Use passive mode by default without HWP")
>
> But now it turns out that commit results in running intel_pstate-passive
> on ondemand, which is quite horrible.
>
I know Intel ran a lot of tests, no question about it and no fingers are
being pointed. I know I've had enough bugs patches tested with a battery
of tests on various machines and still ended up with bug reports :)
> > There was some evidence (I don't have the data, Giovanni was looking into
> > it) that HWP was a requirement to make schedutil work well.
>
> That seems to be the question; Rafael just said the opposite.
>
> > For distros, switching to schedutil by default would be nice because
> > frequency selection state would follow the task instead of being per-cpu
> > and we could stop worrying about different HWP implementations but it's
>
> s/HWP/cpufreq-governors/ ? But yes.
>
I've seen cases where HWP had variable behaviour between CPU
generations. It was hard to quantify and/or figure out because HWP is a
black box.
> > not at the point where the switch is advisable. I would expect hard data
> > before switching the default and still would strongly advise having a
> > period of time where we can fall back when someone inevitably finds a
> > new corner case or exception.
>
> Which is why I advocated to make it 'difficult' to use the old ones and
> only later remove them.
>
That's fair.
--
Mel Gorman
SUSE Labs
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2020-10-22 16:29 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2020-10-20 16:37 [PATCH] sched/fair: check for idle core Julia Lawall
2020-10-21 7:29 ` Vincent Guittot
2020-10-21 11:13 ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-10-21 12:27 ` Vincent Guittot
2020-10-21 11:20 ` Mel Gorman
2020-10-21 11:56 ` Julia Lawall
2020-10-21 12:19 ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-10-21 12:42 ` Julia Lawall
2020-10-21 12:52 ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-10-21 18:18 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2020-10-21 18:15 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2020-10-21 19:47 ` Julia Lawall
2020-10-21 20:25 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2020-10-21 13:10 ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-10-21 18:11 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2020-10-22 4:53 ` Viresh Kumar
2020-10-22 7:11 ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-10-22 10:59 ` Viresh Kumar
2020-10-22 11:45 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2020-10-22 12:02 ` default cpufreq gov, was: " Peter Zijlstra
2020-10-22 12:19 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2020-10-22 12:29 ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-10-22 14:52 ` Mel Gorman
2020-10-22 14:58 ` Colin Ian King
2020-10-22 15:12 ` Phil Auld
2020-10-22 16:35 ` Mel Gorman
2020-10-22 17:59 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2020-10-22 20:32 ` Mel Gorman
2020-10-22 20:39 ` Phil Auld
2020-10-22 15:25 ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-10-22 15:55 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2020-10-22 16:29 ` Mel Gorman [this message]
2020-10-22 20:10 ` Giovanni Gherdovich
2020-10-22 20:16 ` Giovanni Gherdovich
2020-10-23 7:03 ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-10-23 17:46 ` Tom Lendacky
2020-10-26 19:52 ` Fontenot, Nathan
2020-10-22 15:45 ` A L
2020-10-22 15:55 ` Vincent Guittot
2020-10-23 5:23 ` Viresh Kumar
2020-10-22 16:23 ` [PATCH] cpufreq: Avoid configuring old governors as default with intel_pstate Rafael J. Wysocki
2020-10-23 6:29 ` Viresh Kumar
2020-10-23 11:59 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2020-10-23 15:15 ` [PATCH v2] " Rafael J. Wysocki
2020-10-27 3:13 ` Viresh Kumar
2020-10-27 11:11 ` default cpufreq gov, was: [PATCH] sched/fair: check for idle core Qais Yousef
2020-10-27 11:26 ` Valentin Schneider
2020-10-27 11:42 ` Qais Yousef
2020-10-27 11:48 ` Viresh Kumar
2020-10-23 6:24 ` Viresh Kumar
2020-10-23 15:06 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2020-10-27 3:13 ` Viresh Kumar
2020-10-22 11:21 ` AW: " Walter Harms
2020-10-21 12:28 ` Mel Gorman
2020-10-21 12:25 ` Vincent Guittot
2020-10-21 12:47 ` Mel Gorman
2020-10-21 12:56 ` Julia Lawall
2020-10-21 13:18 ` Mel Gorman
2020-10-21 13:24 ` Julia Lawall
2020-10-21 15:08 ` Mel Gorman
2020-10-21 15:18 ` Julia Lawall
2020-10-21 15:23 ` Vincent Guittot
2020-10-21 15:33 ` Julia Lawall
2020-10-21 15:19 ` Vincent Guittot
2020-10-21 17:00 ` Mel Gorman
2020-10-21 17:39 ` Julia Lawall
2020-10-21 13:48 ` Julia Lawall
2020-10-21 15:26 ` Mel Gorman
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