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From: Stephen Rothwell <sfr@canb.auug.org.au>
To: Dave Airlie <airlied@gmail.com>
Cc: Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	tech-board-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	ksummit <ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org>
Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [PATCH] CodingStyle: Inclusive Terminology
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2020 12:12:16 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200705121216.2ce2dd46@canb.auug.org.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAPM=9txOgRYc7RM3fzohB4=Ejcp_xMGLBX_OOCOD=r+W6D678A@mail.gmail.com>


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Hi Dave,

On Sun, 5 Jul 2020 09:34:57 +1000 Dave Airlie <airlied@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Sun, 5 Jul 2020 at 06:45, Stephen Rothwell <sfr@canb.auug.org.au> wrote:
> >
> > On Sat, 04 Jul 2020 13:02:51 -0700 Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com> wrote:  
> > >
> > > +The Linux kernel is a global software project, and in 2020 there was a
> > > +global reckoning on race relations that caused many organizations to
> > > +re-evaluate their policies and practices relative to the inclusion of
> > > +people of African descent. This document describes why the 'Naming'  
> >
> > I feel a need to point out that racial issues are wider than just
> > people of African descent ...  Also, others have pointed out that
> > slavery is not just restricted to those of African descent.  
> 
> The racial issues are wider than that, and even wider again I'm sure,
> but in 2020 this is as good a place to start as any, and the trigger
> as that sentence says was in 2020, there was a reckoning about it
> mainly due to people of African descent. That trigger has had flow on
> effects in other countries, but I'm not sure that sentence in any way
> diminishes that, it's merely an introduction to why this change is
> happening now.

And reading it again in the (actual) light of day, I see you are right
and I misinterpreted this.

> As for the non-black slavery, others have never pointed this out

(I did not say "non-black")

> before in 30 years of master/slave terminology? surely if white
> slavery was as big a problem, they be as supportive of this, even more

(nor did I say "white slavery")

> so. It speaks volumes that I've never heard white slavery as a problem
> once in 30 years, but now I'm hearing about it a few times, and
> somehow as an excuse not to support this.

I was merely referring to some of the posts in the
users@linux.kernel.org mailing list.  Also, I made no statement about
my support (or otherwise) for any of this.

-- 
Cheers,
Stephen Rothwell

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Thread overview: 90+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-07-04 20:02 [Ksummit-discuss] [PATCH] CodingStyle: Inclusive Terminology Dan Williams
2020-07-04 20:31 ` Randy Dunlap
2020-07-04 23:41   ` Dave Airlie
2020-07-05  0:10     ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-07-05  1:10       ` [Ksummit-discuss] [Tech-board-discuss] " Kees Cook
2020-07-05  2:44         ` Randy Dunlap
2020-07-06 11:15         ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2020-07-06 15:53           ` Kees Cook
2020-07-05  2:54       ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Dave Airlie
2020-07-04 20:44 ` Stephen Rothwell
2020-07-04 23:34   ` Dave Airlie
2020-07-05  2:12     ` Stephen Rothwell [this message]
2020-07-05  2:56       ` Dave Airlie
2020-07-05  3:23         ` James Bottomley
2020-07-05  3:26         ` Stephen Rothwell
2020-07-04 21:14 ` Olof Johansson
2020-07-04 21:25 ` [Ksummit-discuss] [Tech-board-discuss] " James Bottomley
2020-07-04 21:51   ` Joe Perches
2020-07-04 23:39   ` Dave Airlie
2020-07-05  0:08     ` Joe Perches
2020-07-05  1:32     ` Kees Cook
2020-07-05 17:50     ` opal hart
2020-07-04 23:42 ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Dave Airlie
2020-07-05  0:12 ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-07-06  7:06   ` NeilBrown
2020-07-06  7:10   ` NeilBrown
2020-07-06  7:22     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2020-07-06  7:53       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2020-07-06 10:22         ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2020-07-06 12:51         ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-07-06 12:59           ` Joe Perches
2020-07-06 13:04             ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-07-06 13:30               ` Joe Perches
2020-07-09 11:11                 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2020-07-13  4:25                   ` Vinod Koul
2020-07-13 15:55                     ` Dan Williams
2020-07-05  0:41 ` Kees Cook
2020-07-07  4:30   ` Dan Williams
2020-07-10 16:52     ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-07-05  4:55 ` Willy Tarreau
2020-07-06  3:13   ` Daniel Palmer
2020-07-06 12:45   ` Chris Mason via Ksummit-discuss
2020-07-06 14:06     ` Laurent Pinchart
2020-07-06 15:55       ` Chris Mason via Ksummit-discuss
2020-07-06 16:06     ` Mike Rapoport
2020-07-07  4:17       ` Dan Williams
2020-07-06 15:22   ` Arvind Sankar
2020-07-06 15:40     ` [Ksummit-discuss] [Tech-board-discuss] " Steven Rostedt
2020-07-06 13:23 ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Tibor Raschko
2020-07-06 16:29 ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-07-07  4:00   ` Dan Williams
2020-07-07  5:56   ` Kees Cook
2020-07-07  6:49     ` Mike Rapoport
2020-07-07 13:37       ` [Ksummit-discuss] [Tech-board-discuss] " Steven Rostedt
2020-07-07 15:24         ` Bird, Tim
2020-07-07 15:33           ` Randy Dunlap
2020-07-07 15:41             ` Steven Rostedt
2020-07-07 15:55               ` Bird, Tim
2020-07-07  6:56     ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Harrosh, Boaz
2020-07-07  8:54       ` Kees Cook
2020-07-07 13:41         ` [Ksummit-discuss] [Tech-board-discuss] " Steven Rostedt
2020-07-07 14:45           ` Mike Rapoport
2020-07-07 20:56             ` Kees Cook
2020-07-07 21:48         ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Arvind Sankar
2020-07-07 12:13       ` Mark Brown
2020-07-06 18:30 ` [Ksummit-discuss] [Tech-board-discuss] " Shuah Khan
2020-07-06 23:58   ` Tibor Raschko
     [not found]     ` <20200709124327.369781a0@coco.lan>
2020-07-09 16:01       ` Shuah Khan
2020-07-09 16:13         ` Mark Brown
2020-07-09 16:32           ` James Bottomley
2020-07-09 16:35           ` Steven Rostedt
2020-07-07  4:04   ` Dan Williams
2020-07-06 19:15 ` Mark Brown
2020-07-07  0:48   ` Tibor Raschko
2020-07-07 21:26     ` Arvind Sankar
2020-07-07 23:54       ` Tibor Raschko
2020-07-07  4:08   ` Dan Williams
2020-07-07  9:36     ` Mark Brown
2020-07-06 21:31 ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Pavel Begunkov
2020-07-06 22:10   ` [Ksummit-discuss] [Tech-board-discuss] " Steven Rostedt
2020-07-06 22:17     ` Pavel Begunkov
2020-07-06 22:28       ` Steven Rostedt
2020-07-06 23:03         ` Pavel Begunkov
2020-07-08  3:42           ` Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-07  6:56 ` [Ksummit-discuss] " SeongJae Park via Ksummit-discuss
2020-07-08  7:12   ` Dan Williams
2020-07-08  9:28     ` SeongJae Park via Ksummit-discuss
2020-07-07  7:51 ` Christian Brauner
2020-07-17  8:35 ` Pavel Machek
2020-07-26 15:30 ` Laurent Pinchart

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