From: Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu>
To: "Artem S. Tashkinov" <aros@gmx.com>
Cc: Konstantin Ryabitsev <konstantin@linuxfoundation.org>,
"Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>,
Thorsten Leemhuis <linux@leemhuis.info>,
Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
workflows@vger.kernel.org, LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
"regressions@lists.linux.dev" <regressions@lists.linux.dev>,
ksummit@lists.linux.dev,
Mario Limonciello <mario.limonciello@amd.com>
Subject: Re: Planned changes for bugzilla.kernel.org to reduce the "Bugzilla blues"
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2022 22:54:30 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20221002205430.GC22129@1wt.eu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <b594681b-6b8c-ffb7-f526-3da847d160a8@gmx.com>
On Sun, Oct 02, 2022 at 07:43:19PM +0000, Artem S. Tashkinov wrote:
> Again, to remind everyone, bugzilla sees around ~20 bug reports
> _weekly_. There are hundreds of active of kernel developers. That means
> for a single bug report maybe a couple of people will receive maybe a
> few emails per week.
>
> Is this really an _issue_?
>
> Why are people are now blowing stuff out of proportion for no reason?
Because the approach is wrong. As I explained it gives a false sense to
the reporter that their issue is being handled while the simple fact that
a message was sent to a person is in no way an engagement to do anything
about it. LKML is a broadcast area. Everyone hopes someone else will
respond and that eventually happens. When the reports are targetted, it
puts pressure on the few developers receiving the message who know that
it's unlikely anyone else will deal with that report.
> This conversation alone has already seen close to three dozen emails and
> no one is complaining.
Because it's easy to ignore. Try to setup this conversation in your
favorite bug tracker and you'll feel alone discussing with yourself.
This is a great indication that participation is much more powerful
in the mailing list model than in the bug tracker model.
Willy
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2022-09-29 11:33 ` Planned changes for bugzilla.kernel.org to reduce the "Bugzilla blues" Thorsten Leemhuis
2022-09-29 12:22 ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-09-29 12:52 ` Greg KH
2022-09-29 13:09 ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-09-29 13:21 ` Greg KH
2022-09-29 13:23 ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2022-09-29 13:04 ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2022-09-29 13:31 ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-09-29 13:43 ` Greg KH
2022-09-29 13:53 ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2022-09-29 14:22 ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-09-29 14:54 ` Slade Watkins
2022-09-29 16:42 ` Laurent Pinchart
2022-09-29 19:00 ` Slade Watkins
2022-09-30 9:35 ` Thorsten Leemhuis
2022-09-30 13:23 ` Laurent Pinchart
2022-09-30 16:19 ` Bird, Tim
2022-09-30 16:34 ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-09-30 16:47 ` Laurent Pinchart
2022-10-01 1:18 ` Theodore Ts'o
2022-10-01 2:47 ` Slade Watkins
2022-10-01 7:57 ` Bagas Sanjaya
2022-10-01 13:01 ` Theodore Ts'o
2022-10-03 6:55 ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-09-30 17:36 ` Slade Watkins
2022-09-30 16:36 ` Laurent Pinchart
2022-09-30 17:28 ` Luck, Tony
2022-09-30 17:49 ` Slade Watkins
2022-09-30 20:04 ` Randy Dunlap
2022-09-30 20:29 ` Thorsten Leemhuis
2022-09-29 15:31 ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2022-09-29 15:39 ` Slade Watkins
2022-09-29 16:06 ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-09-29 20:26 ` Slade Watkins
2022-09-30 8:47 ` Thorsten Leemhuis
2022-09-30 9:03 ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-09-30 10:37 ` Slade Watkins
2022-09-30 15:32 ` Laurent Pinchart
2022-10-03 11:44 ` Jani Nikula
2022-09-29 15:26 ` James Bottomley
2022-09-30 8:52 ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-09-29 13:47 ` Steven Rostedt
2022-09-29 14:02 ` Thorsten Leemhuis
2022-09-29 14:12 ` Steven Rostedt
2022-10-01 10:30 ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-10-01 10:39 ` Greg KH
2022-10-01 10:47 ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-10-01 10:57 ` Thorsten Leemhuis
2022-10-01 11:21 ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-10-01 11:34 ` Thorsten Leemhuis
2022-10-01 13:07 ` Theodore Ts'o
2022-10-01 14:58 ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-10-02 12:18 ` Theodore Ts'o
2022-10-02 12:49 ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-10-02 14:35 ` Greg KH
2022-10-02 19:27 ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-10-02 20:46 ` Linus Torvalds
2022-10-02 20:56 ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-10-02 21:07 ` Linus Torvalds
2022-10-02 21:27 ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-10-02 21:40 ` Willy Tarreau
2022-10-02 21:57 ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-10-02 14:48 ` Slade Watkins
2022-10-02 19:37 ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-10-02 21:11 ` Laurent Pinchart
2022-10-02 21:38 ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-10-02 15:05 ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2022-10-02 19:43 ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-10-02 20:54 ` Willy Tarreau [this message]
2022-10-02 21:07 ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-10-02 21:32 ` Willy Tarreau
2022-10-02 21:53 ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-10-03 6:37 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2022-10-03 7:49 ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-10-03 10:04 ` Willy Tarreau
2022-10-02 15:56 ` Al Viro
2022-10-02 17:22 ` Slade Watkins
2022-10-02 16:08 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2022-10-02 16:10 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2022-10-02 16:32 ` Joe Perches
2022-10-02 18:56 ` Joe Perches
2022-10-02 19:46 ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-10-02 17:57 ` Willy Tarreau
2022-10-02 19:55 ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-10-02 20:40 ` Willy Tarreau
2022-10-02 18:13 ` Steven Rostedt
2022-10-02 20:14 ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-10-02 22:08 ` Steven Rostedt
2022-10-02 22:20 ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-10-02 22:28 ` Steven Rostedt
2022-10-02 23:04 ` Al Viro
2022-10-02 23:21 ` Steven Rostedt
2022-10-03 7:41 ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-10-03 8:55 ` Mike Rapoport
2022-10-03 9:15 ` David Laight
2022-10-03 9:16 ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-10-03 9:26 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2022-10-03 9:40 ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-10-03 10:26 ` Mike Rapoport
2022-10-03 14:20 ` Steven Rostedt
2022-10-03 18:24 ` Al Viro
2022-10-03 19:07 ` Steven Rostedt
2022-10-03 20:28 ` Slade Watkins
2022-10-04 12:16 ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-10-04 12:32 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2022-10-04 22:45 ` Steven Rostedt
2022-10-03 14:22 ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2022-10-04 12:21 ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-10-04 14:20 ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2022-10-03 15:37 ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2022-10-04 7:37 ` Thorsten Leemhuis
2022-10-04 7:56 ` Conor Dooley
2022-10-04 12:24 ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-10-04 14:48 ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2022-10-02 20:41 ` Slade Watkins
2022-10-02 20:52 ` Slade Watkins
2022-10-02 21:06 ` Laurent Pinchart
2022-10-02 22:18 ` Steven Rostedt
2022-10-02 22:41 ` Laurent Pinchart
2022-10-02 23:59 ` Slade Watkins
2022-10-02 18:17 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2022-10-02 20:17 ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-10-02 20:48 ` Willy Tarreau
2022-10-02 19:59 ` Laurent Pinchart
2022-10-02 20:19 ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-10-02 20:26 ` Laurent Pinchart
2022-10-02 13:25 ` Slade Watkins
2022-10-02 9:03 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2022-10-02 9:06 ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-10-02 9:25 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2022-10-02 7:37 ` Takashi Iwai
2022-10-02 8:23 ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-10-02 8:53 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2022-10-02 9:14 ` Takashi Iwai
2022-10-03 10:10 ` Thorsten Leemhuis
2022-10-03 11:18 ` Slade Watkins
2022-10-03 12:59 ` Thorsten Leemhuis
2022-10-03 15:26 ` Steven Rostedt
2022-10-03 15:44 ` Laurent Pinchart
2022-10-03 15:51 ` Steven Rostedt
2022-10-03 15:59 ` Laurent Pinchart
2022-10-03 16:03 ` Steven Rostedt
2022-10-04 8:41 ` Thorsten Leemhuis
2022-10-04 9:20 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2022-10-04 10:16 ` Thorsten Leemhuis
2022-10-04 10:45 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
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2022-10-04 18:13 ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
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2022-10-04 20:25 ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
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2022-10-05 9:57 ` Hans de Goede
2022-10-12 16:12 ` Thorsten Leemhuis
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