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From: Konstantin Ryabitsev <konstantin@linuxfoundation.org>
To: Thorsten Leemhuis <linux@leemhuis.info>
Cc: "Artem S. Tashkinov" <aros@gmx.com>,
	ksummit <ksummit@lists.linux.dev>,
	workflows@vger.kernel.org, LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	"regressions@lists.linux.dev" <regressions@lists.linux.dev>
Subject: Re: Planned changes for bugzilla.kernel.org to reduce the "Bugzilla blues"
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2022 16:25:40 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20221004202540.etokkm3jk6sk7z7y@meerkat.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <c74d9d75-4428-e22d-1adb-334b1173d871@leemhuis.info>

On Tue, Oct 04, 2022 at 10:06:28PM +0200, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote:
> Your plan would afaics mean that we invest further into a software
> abandoned by its upstream and already becoming more and more of a
> maintenance burden. That investment would also further increase our
> dependency on that software by establishing workflows that rely on it.
> Is that really wise at this point? Wouldn't it be better to spend that
> time and effort to build something better that is more future proof?

Unfortunately, there's no such thing. ;) And maybe we'll even help tip the
course of history into the other direction -- Red Hat uses bugzilla, and so
does OpenSuse, so there's a pretty good core of well-funded companies that
would be in a position to help keep bugzilla going if it's looking like the
platform is still alive. Or that could all be wishful thinking and they'll all
migrate to Jira or something equally horrible, who knows.

I'm hoping that by keeping the bulk of this exchange relying on established
decentralized end-to-end messaging, we won't be painting ourselves into the
corner quite as much as with a tool that requires all interaction to happen
strictly via the web interface.

The alternative is to hire the folks behind patchwork to write "bugwork".

-K

  parent reply	other threads:[~2022-10-04 20:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 155+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <aa876027-1038-3e4a-b16a-c144f674c0b0@leemhuis.info>
2022-09-29 11:33 ` Planned changes for bugzilla.kernel.org to reduce the "Bugzilla blues" Thorsten Leemhuis
2022-09-29 12:22   ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-09-29 12:52     ` Greg KH
2022-09-29 13:09       ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-09-29 13:21         ` Greg KH
2022-09-29 13:23         ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2022-09-29 13:04     ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2022-09-29 13:31       ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-09-29 13:43         ` Greg KH
2022-09-29 13:53         ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2022-09-29 14:22           ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-09-29 14:54             ` Slade Watkins
2022-09-29 16:42               ` Laurent Pinchart
2022-09-29 19:00                 ` Slade Watkins
2022-09-30  9:35                 ` Thorsten Leemhuis
2022-09-30 13:23                   ` Laurent Pinchart
2022-09-30 16:19                     ` Bird, Tim
2022-09-30 16:34                       ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-09-30 16:47                         ` Laurent Pinchart
2022-10-01  1:18                           ` Theodore Ts'o
2022-10-01  2:47                             ` Slade Watkins
2022-10-01  7:57                             ` Bagas Sanjaya
2022-10-01 13:01                               ` Theodore Ts'o
2022-10-03  6:55                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-09-30 17:36                         ` Slade Watkins
2022-09-30 16:36                       ` Laurent Pinchart
2022-09-30 17:28                       ` Luck, Tony
2022-09-30 17:49                         ` Slade Watkins
2022-09-30 20:04                         ` Randy Dunlap
2022-09-30 20:29                           ` Thorsten Leemhuis
2022-09-29 15:31             ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2022-09-29 15:39               ` Slade Watkins
2022-09-29 16:06               ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-09-29 20:26                 ` Slade Watkins
2022-09-30  8:47       ` Thorsten Leemhuis
2022-09-30  9:03         ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-09-30 10:37           ` Slade Watkins
2022-09-30 15:32           ` Laurent Pinchart
2022-10-03 11:44             ` Jani Nikula
2022-09-29 15:26     ` James Bottomley
2022-09-30  8:52       ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-09-29 13:47   ` Steven Rostedt
2022-09-29 14:02     ` Thorsten Leemhuis
2022-09-29 14:12       ` Steven Rostedt
2022-10-01 10:30   ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-10-01 10:39     ` Greg KH
2022-10-01 10:47       ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-10-01 10:57         ` Thorsten Leemhuis
2022-10-01 11:21           ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-10-01 11:34             ` Thorsten Leemhuis
2022-10-01 13:07               ` Theodore Ts'o
2022-10-01 14:58                 ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-10-02 12:18                   ` Theodore Ts'o
2022-10-02 12:49                     ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-10-02 14:35                       ` Greg KH
2022-10-02 19:27                         ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-10-02 20:46                           ` Linus Torvalds
2022-10-02 20:56                             ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-10-02 21:07                               ` Linus Torvalds
2022-10-02 21:27                                 ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-10-02 21:40                                   ` Willy Tarreau
2022-10-02 21:57                                     ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-10-02 14:48                       ` Slade Watkins
2022-10-02 19:37                         ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-10-02 21:11                           ` Laurent Pinchart
2022-10-02 21:38                             ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-10-02 15:05                       ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2022-10-02 19:43                         ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-10-02 20:54                           ` Willy Tarreau
2022-10-02 21:07                             ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-10-02 21:32                               ` Willy Tarreau
2022-10-02 21:53                                 ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-10-03  6:37                                   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2022-10-03  7:49                                     ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-10-03 10:04                                       ` Willy Tarreau
2022-10-02 15:56                       ` Al Viro
2022-10-02 17:22                         ` Slade Watkins
2022-10-02 16:08                       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2022-10-02 16:10                         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2022-10-02 16:32                         ` Joe Perches
2022-10-02 18:56                           ` Joe Perches
2022-10-02 19:46                         ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-10-02 17:57                       ` Willy Tarreau
2022-10-02 19:55                         ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-10-02 20:40                           ` Willy Tarreau
2022-10-02 18:13                       ` Steven Rostedt
2022-10-02 20:14                         ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-10-02 22:08                           ` Steven Rostedt
2022-10-02 22:20                             ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-10-02 22:28                               ` Steven Rostedt
2022-10-02 23:04                               ` Al Viro
2022-10-02 23:21                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2022-10-03  7:41                                 ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-10-03  8:55                                   ` Mike Rapoport
2022-10-03  9:15                                     ` David Laight
2022-10-03  9:16                                     ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-10-03  9:26                                       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2022-10-03  9:40                                         ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-10-03 10:26                                           ` Mike Rapoport
2022-10-03 14:20                                           ` Steven Rostedt
2022-10-03 18:24                                             ` Al Viro
2022-10-03 19:07                                               ` Steven Rostedt
2022-10-03 20:28                                                 ` Slade Watkins
2022-10-04 12:16                                             ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-10-04 12:32                                               ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2022-10-04 22:45                                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2022-10-03 14:22                                       ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2022-10-04 12:21                                         ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-10-04 14:20                                           ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2022-10-03 15:37                                     ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2022-10-04  7:37                                       ` Thorsten Leemhuis
2022-10-04  7:56                                         ` Conor Dooley
2022-10-04 12:24                                       ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-10-04 14:48                                         ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2022-10-02 20:41                         ` Slade Watkins
2022-10-02 20:52                           ` Slade Watkins
2022-10-02 21:06                         ` Laurent Pinchart
2022-10-02 22:18                           ` Steven Rostedt
2022-10-02 22:41                             ` Laurent Pinchart
2022-10-02 23:59                             ` Slade Watkins
2022-10-02 18:17                       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2022-10-02 20:17                         ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-10-02 20:48                           ` Willy Tarreau
2022-10-02 19:59                       ` Laurent Pinchart
2022-10-02 20:19                         ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-10-02 20:26                           ` Laurent Pinchart
2022-10-02 13:25                     ` Slade Watkins
2022-10-02  9:03             ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2022-10-02  9:06               ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-10-02  9:25                 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2022-10-02  7:37     ` Takashi Iwai
2022-10-02  8:23       ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-10-02  8:53         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2022-10-02  9:14         ` Takashi Iwai
2022-10-03 10:10   ` Thorsten Leemhuis
2022-10-03 11:18     ` Slade Watkins
2022-10-03 12:59       ` Thorsten Leemhuis
2022-10-03 15:26         ` Steven Rostedt
2022-10-03 15:44           ` Laurent Pinchart
2022-10-03 15:51             ` Steven Rostedt
2022-10-03 15:59               ` Laurent Pinchart
2022-10-03 16:03                 ` Steven Rostedt
2022-10-04  8:41           ` Thorsten Leemhuis
2022-10-04  9:20             ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2022-10-04 10:16               ` Thorsten Leemhuis
2022-10-04 10:45                 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
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     [not found]   ` <Yzx1T05Ut0of55KY@kroah.com>
2022-10-04 18:13     ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
     [not found]   ` <87fsg3s8co.fsf@intel.com>
2022-10-04 19:24     ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
     [not found]   ` <c74d9d75-4428-e22d-1adb-334b1173d871@leemhuis.info>
2022-10-04 20:25     ` Konstantin Ryabitsev [this message]
2022-10-05  9:00       ` Thorsten Leemhuis
2022-10-05  9:57         ` Hans de Goede
2022-10-12 16:12           ` Thorsten Leemhuis
2022-10-17 13:57   ` Thorsten Leemhuis
2022-10-17 20:47     ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2022-10-18 16:24       ` Rafael J. Wysocki

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