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From: Ben Hutchings <bhutchings@solarflare.com>
To: Gregory Haskins <ghaskins@novell.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, agraf@suse.de,
	pmullaney@novell.com, pmorreale@novell.com,
	anthony@codemonkey.ws, rusty@rustcorp.com.au,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 02/17] vbus: add virtual-bus definitions
Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2009 17:06:16 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1238688376.3202.10.camel@achroite> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090331184257.28333.64028.stgit@dev.haskins.net>

On Tue, 2009-03-31 at 14:42 -0400, Gregory Haskins wrote:
[...]
> +Create a device instance
> +------------------------
> +
> +Devices are instantiated by again utilizing the /config/vbus configfs area.
> +At first you may suspect that devices are created as subordinate objects of a
> +bus/container instance, but you would be mistaken.

This is kind of patronising; why don't you simply lay out how things
_do_ work?

>  Devices are actually
> +root-level objects in vbus specifically to allow greater flexibility in the
> +association of a device.  For instance, it may be desirable to have a single
> +device that spans multiple VMs (consider an ethernet switch, or a shared disk
> +for a cluster).  Therefore, device lifecycles are managed by creating/deleting
> +objects in /config/vbus/devices.
> +
> +Note: Creating a device instance is actually a two step process:  We need to
> +give the device instance a unique name, and we also need to give it a specific
> +device type.  It is hard to express both parameters using standard filesystem
> +operations like mkdir, so the design decision was made to require performing
> +the operation in two steps.

How about exposing a subdir for each device class under
/config/vbus/devices/ and allowing device creation only within those?
Two-stage construction is a pain for both users and implementors.

[...]
> +At this point, we are ready to roll.  Pid 4382 has access to a virtual-bus
> +namespace with one device, id=0.  Its type is:
> +
> +# cat /sys/vbus/instances/beb4df8f-7483-4028-b3f7-767512e2a18c/devices/0/type
> +virtual-ethernet
> +
> +"virtual-ethernet"?  Why is it not "venet-tap"?  Device-classes are allowed to
> +register their interfaces under an id that is not required to be the same as
> +their deviceclass.  This supports device polymorphism.   For instance,
> +consider that an interface "virtual-ethernet" may provide basic 802.x packet
> +exchange.  However, we could have various implementations of a device that
> +supports the 802.x interface, while having various implementations behind
> +them.
[...]

It seems to me that your "device-classes" correspond to drivers and
"interfaces" correspond to device classes in the LDM.  To avoid
confusion, I think the vbus terminology should be made consistent with
LDM.  And certainly these should not both be called simply "type" in the
configfs/sysfs interface.

Ben.

-- 
Ben Hutchings, Senior Software Engineer, Solarflare Communications
Not speaking for my employer; that's the marketing department's job.
They asked us to note that Solarflare product names are trademarked.


  reply	other threads:[~2009-04-02 16:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 146+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-03-31 18:42 [RFC PATCH 00/17] virtual-bus Gregory Haskins
2009-03-31 18:42 ` [RFC PATCH 01/17] shm-signal: shared-memory signals Gregory Haskins
2009-03-31 20:44   ` Avi Kivity
2009-03-31 20:58     ` Gregory Haskins
2009-03-31 21:05       ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-01 12:12         ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-01 12:24           ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-01 13:57             ` Gregory Haskins
2009-03-31 18:42 ` [RFC PATCH 02/17] vbus: add virtual-bus definitions Gregory Haskins
2009-04-02 16:06   ` Ben Hutchings [this message]
2009-04-02 18:13     ` Gregory Haskins
2009-03-31 18:43 ` [RFC PATCH 03/17] vbus: add connection-client helper infrastructure Gregory Haskins
2009-03-31 18:43 ` [RFC PATCH 04/17] vbus: add bus-registration notifiers Gregory Haskins
2009-03-31 18:43 ` [RFC PATCH 05/17] vbus: add a "vbus-proxy" bus model for vbus_driver objects Gregory Haskins
2009-03-31 18:43 ` [RFC PATCH 06/17] ioq: Add basic definitions for a shared-memory, lockless queue Gregory Haskins
2009-03-31 18:43 ` [RFC PATCH 07/17] ioq: add vbus helpers Gregory Haskins
2009-03-31 18:43 ` [RFC PATCH 08/17] venet: add the ABI definitions for an 802.x packet interface Gregory Haskins
2009-03-31 18:43 ` [RFC PATCH 09/17] net: Add vbus_enet driver Gregory Haskins
2009-03-31 20:39   ` Stephen Hemminger
2009-04-02 11:43     ` Gregory Haskins
2009-03-31 18:43 ` [RFC PATCH 10/17] venet-tap: Adds a "venet" compatible "tap" device to VBUS Gregory Haskins
2009-03-31 18:43 ` [RFC PATCH 11/17] venet: add scatter-gather support Gregory Haskins
2009-03-31 18:43 ` [RFC PATCH 12/17] venettap: " Gregory Haskins
2009-03-31 18:43 ` [RFC PATCH 13/17] x86: allow the irq->vector translation to be determined outside of ioapic Gregory Haskins
2009-03-31 19:16   ` Alan Cox
2009-03-31 20:02     ` Gregory Haskins
2009-03-31 18:44 ` [RFC PATCH 14/17] kvm: add a reset capability Gregory Haskins
2009-03-31 19:22   ` Avi Kivity
2009-03-31 20:02     ` Gregory Haskins
2009-03-31 20:18       ` Avi Kivity
2009-03-31 20:37         ` Gregory Haskins
2009-03-31 18:44 ` [RFC PATCH 15/17] kvm: add dynamic IRQ support Gregory Haskins
2009-03-31 19:20   ` Avi Kivity
2009-03-31 19:39     ` Gregory Haskins
2009-03-31 20:13       ` Avi Kivity
2009-03-31 20:32         ` Gregory Haskins
2009-03-31 20:59           ` Avi Kivity
2009-03-31 18:44 ` [RFC PATCH 16/17] kvm: Add VBUS support to the host Gregory Haskins
2009-03-31 18:44 ` [RFC PATCH 17/17] kvm: Add guest-side support for VBUS Gregory Haskins
2009-03-31 20:18 ` [RFC PATCH 00/17] virtual-bus Andi Kleen
2009-04-01 12:03   ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-01 13:23     ` Andi Kleen
2009-04-01 14:19       ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-01 14:42         ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-01 17:01         ` Andi Kleen
2009-04-01 18:45           ` Anthony Liguori
2009-04-01 20:40             ` Chris Wright
2009-04-01 21:11               ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-01 21:28                 ` Chris Wright
2009-04-01 22:10                   ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-02  6:00                     ` Chris Wright
2009-04-02  3:11               ` Herbert Xu
2009-04-01 21:09             ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-02  0:29               ` Anthony Liguori
2009-04-02  3:11                 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-02  6:51               ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-02  8:52                 ` Herbert Xu
2009-04-02  9:02                   ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-02  9:16                     ` Herbert Xu
2009-04-02  9:27                       ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-02  9:29                         ` Herbert Xu
2009-04-02  9:33                           ` Herbert Xu
2009-04-02  9:38                           ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-02  9:41                             ` Herbert Xu
2009-04-02  9:43                               ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-02  9:44                                 ` Herbert Xu
2009-04-02 11:06                             ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-02 11:59                               ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-02 12:30                                 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-02 12:43                                   ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-02 13:03                                     ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-02 12:13                               ` Rusty Russell
2009-04-02 12:50                                 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-02 12:52                                   ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-02 13:07                                   ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-02 13:22                                     ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-02 13:27                                       ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-02 14:05                                         ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-02 14:50                                     ` Herbert Xu
2009-04-02 15:00                                       ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-02 15:40                                         ` Herbert Xu
2009-04-02 15:57                                           ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-02 16:09                                             ` Herbert Xu
2009-04-02 16:54                                               ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-02 17:06                                                 ` Herbert Xu
2009-04-02 17:17                                                   ` Herbert Xu
2009-04-03 12:25                                                   ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-02 15:10                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-04-03  4:43                                   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-04-02 10:55                     ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-02 11:48                       ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-03 10:58                     ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-04-03 11:03                       ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-03 11:12                         ` Herbert Xu
2009-04-03 11:46                           ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-03 11:48                             ` Herbert Xu
2009-04-03 11:54                               ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-03 11:55                                 ` Herbert Xu
2009-04-03 12:02                                   ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-03 13:05                                     ` Herbert Xu
2009-04-03 11:18                       ` Andi Kleen
2009-04-03 11:34                         ` Herbert Xu
2009-04-03 11:46                         ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-03 11:28                       ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-02 10:46                 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-02 11:43                   ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-02 12:22                     ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-02 12:42                       ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-02 12:54                         ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-02 13:08                           ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-02 13:36                             ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-02 13:45                               ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-02 14:24                                 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-02 14:32                                   ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-02 14:41                                     ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-02 14:49                                       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-04-02 16:09                                         ` Anthony Liguori
2009-04-02 16:19                                           ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-02 18:18                                             ` Anthony Liguori
2009-04-03  1:11                                               ` Herbert Xu
2009-04-20 18:02                                               ` Alex Williamson
2009-04-03 12:03                                           ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-03 12:15                                             ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-03 13:13                                               ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-03 13:37                                                 ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-03 16:28                                                   ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-05 10:00                                                     ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-02  3:09             ` Herbert Xu
2009-04-02  6:46               ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-02  8:54                 ` Herbert Xu
2009-04-02  9:03                   ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-02  9:05                     ` Herbert Xu
2009-04-01 20:29           ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-01 22:23             ` Andi Kleen
2009-04-01 23:05               ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-01  6:08 ` Rusty Russell
2009-04-01 11:35   ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-02  1:24     ` Rusty Russell
2009-04-02  2:27       ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-01 16:10   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-04-05  3:44     ` Rusty Russell
2009-04-05  8:06       ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-05 14:13       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-04-05 16:10         ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-05 16:45           ` Anthony Liguori
2009-04-02  3:15   ` Herbert Xu

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