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From: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
To: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
Cc: Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>,
	Gregory Haskins <ghaskins@novell.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, agraf@suse.de,
	pmullaney@novell.com, pmorreale@novell.com,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 00/17] virtual-bus
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 2009 11:45:12 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <49D8E018.8050907@codemonkey.ws> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <49D8D809.8040503@redhat.com>

Avi Kivity wrote:
> Anthony Liguori wrote:
>>
>> What we need is:
>>
>> 1) Lockless MMIO/PIO dispatch (there should be two IO registration 
>> interfaces, a new lockless one and the legacy one)
>
> Not sure exactly how much this is needed, since when there is no 
> contention, locks are almost free (there's the atomic and cacheline 
> bounce, but no syscall).

There should be no contention but I strongly suspect there is more often 
than we think.  The IO thread can potentially hold the lock for a very 
long period of time.  Take into consideration things like qcow2 metadata 
read/write, VNC server updates, etc..

> For any long operations, we should drop the lock (of course we need 
> some kind of read/write lock or rcu to avoid hotunplug or 
> reconfiguration).
>
>> 2) A virtio-net thread that's independent of the IO thread.
>
> Yes -- that saves us all the select() prologue (calculating new 
> timeout) and the select() itself.

In an ideal world, we could do the submission via io_submit in the VCPU 
context, not worry about the copy latency (because we're zero copy).  
Then our packet transmission latency is consistently low because the 
path is consistent and lockless.  This is why dropping the lock is so 
important, it's not enough to usually have low latency.  We need to try 
and have latency as low as possible as often as possible.

Regards,

Anthony Liguori
>
>

  reply	other threads:[~2009-04-05 16:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 160+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-03-31 18:42 [RFC PATCH 00/17] virtual-bus Gregory Haskins
2009-03-31 18:42 ` [RFC PATCH 01/17] shm-signal: shared-memory signals Gregory Haskins
2009-03-31 20:44   ` Avi Kivity
2009-03-31 20:58     ` Gregory Haskins
2009-03-31 21:05       ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-01 12:12         ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-01 12:24           ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-01 13:57             ` Gregory Haskins
2009-03-31 18:42 ` [RFC PATCH 02/17] vbus: add virtual-bus definitions Gregory Haskins
2009-04-02 16:06   ` Ben Hutchings
2009-04-02 18:13     ` Gregory Haskins
2009-03-31 18:43 ` [RFC PATCH 03/17] vbus: add connection-client helper infrastructure Gregory Haskins
2009-03-31 18:43 ` [RFC PATCH 04/17] vbus: add bus-registration notifiers Gregory Haskins
2009-03-31 18:43 ` [RFC PATCH 05/17] vbus: add a "vbus-proxy" bus model for vbus_driver objects Gregory Haskins
2009-03-31 18:43 ` [RFC PATCH 06/17] ioq: Add basic definitions for a shared-memory, lockless queue Gregory Haskins
2009-03-31 18:43 ` [RFC PATCH 07/17] ioq: add vbus helpers Gregory Haskins
2009-03-31 18:43 ` [RFC PATCH 08/17] venet: add the ABI definitions for an 802.x packet interface Gregory Haskins
2009-03-31 18:43 ` [RFC PATCH 09/17] net: Add vbus_enet driver Gregory Haskins
2009-03-31 20:39   ` Stephen Hemminger
2009-04-02 11:43     ` Gregory Haskins
2009-03-31 18:43 ` [RFC PATCH 10/17] venet-tap: Adds a "venet" compatible "tap" device to VBUS Gregory Haskins
2009-03-31 18:43 ` [RFC PATCH 11/17] venet: add scatter-gather support Gregory Haskins
2009-03-31 18:43 ` [RFC PATCH 12/17] venettap: " Gregory Haskins
2009-03-31 18:43 ` [RFC PATCH 13/17] x86: allow the irq->vector translation to be determined outside of ioapic Gregory Haskins
2009-03-31 19:16   ` Alan Cox
2009-03-31 20:02     ` Gregory Haskins
2009-03-31 18:44 ` [RFC PATCH 14/17] kvm: add a reset capability Gregory Haskins
2009-03-31 19:22   ` Avi Kivity
2009-03-31 20:02     ` Gregory Haskins
2009-03-31 20:18       ` Avi Kivity
2009-03-31 20:37         ` Gregory Haskins
2009-03-31 18:44 ` [RFC PATCH 15/17] kvm: add dynamic IRQ support Gregory Haskins
2009-03-31 19:20   ` Avi Kivity
2009-03-31 19:39     ` Gregory Haskins
2009-03-31 20:13       ` Avi Kivity
2009-03-31 20:32         ` Gregory Haskins
2009-03-31 20:59           ` Avi Kivity
2009-03-31 18:44 ` [RFC PATCH 16/17] kvm: Add VBUS support to the host Gregory Haskins
2009-03-31 18:44 ` [RFC PATCH 17/17] kvm: Add guest-side support for VBUS Gregory Haskins
2009-03-31 20:18 ` [RFC PATCH 00/17] virtual-bus Andi Kleen
2009-04-01 12:03   ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-01 13:23     ` Andi Kleen
2009-04-01 14:19       ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-01 14:42         ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-01 17:01         ` Andi Kleen
2009-04-01 18:45           ` Anthony Liguori
2009-04-01 20:40             ` Chris Wright
2009-04-01 21:11               ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-01 21:28                 ` Chris Wright
2009-04-01 22:10                   ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-02  6:00                     ` Chris Wright
2009-04-02  3:11               ` Herbert Xu
2009-04-01 21:09             ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-02  0:29               ` Anthony Liguori
2009-04-02  3:11                 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-02  6:51               ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-02  8:52                 ` Herbert Xu
2009-04-02  9:02                   ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-02  9:16                     ` Herbert Xu
2009-04-02  9:27                       ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-02  9:29                         ` Herbert Xu
2009-04-02  9:33                           ` Herbert Xu
2009-04-02  9:38                           ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-02  9:41                             ` Herbert Xu
2009-04-02  9:43                               ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-02  9:44                                 ` Herbert Xu
2009-04-02 11:06                             ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-02 11:59                               ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-02 12:30                                 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-02 12:43                                   ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-02 13:03                                     ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-02 12:13                               ` Rusty Russell
2009-04-02 12:50                                 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-02 12:52                                   ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-02 13:07                                   ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-02 13:22                                     ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-02 13:27                                       ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-02 14:05                                         ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-02 14:50                                     ` Herbert Xu
2009-04-02 15:00                                       ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-02 15:40                                         ` Herbert Xu
2009-04-02 15:57                                           ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-02 16:09                                             ` Herbert Xu
2009-04-02 16:54                                               ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-02 17:06                                                 ` Herbert Xu
2009-04-02 17:17                                                   ` Herbert Xu
2009-04-03 12:25                                                   ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-02 15:10                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-04-03  4:43                                   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-04-02 10:55                     ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-02 11:48                       ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-03 10:58                     ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-04-03 11:03                       ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-03 11:12                         ` Herbert Xu
2009-04-03 11:46                           ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-03 11:48                             ` Herbert Xu
2009-04-03 11:54                               ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-03 11:55                                 ` Herbert Xu
2009-04-03 12:02                                   ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-03 13:05                                     ` Herbert Xu
2009-04-03 11:18                       ` Andi Kleen
2009-04-03 11:34                         ` Herbert Xu
2009-04-03 11:46                         ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-03 11:28                       ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-02 10:46                 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-02 11:43                   ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-02 12:22                     ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-02 12:42                       ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-02 12:54                         ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-02 13:08                           ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-02 13:36                             ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-02 13:45                               ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-02 14:24                                 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-02 14:32                                   ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-02 14:41                                     ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-02 14:49                                       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-04-02 16:09                                         ` Anthony Liguori
2009-04-02 16:19                                           ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-02 18:18                                             ` Anthony Liguori
2009-04-03  1:11                                               ` Herbert Xu
2009-04-20 18:02                                               ` Alex Williamson
2009-04-03 12:03                                           ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-03 12:15                                             ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-03 13:13                                               ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-03 13:37                                                 ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-03 16:28                                                   ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-05 10:00                                                     ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-02  3:09             ` Herbert Xu
2009-04-02  6:46               ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-02  8:54                 ` Herbert Xu
2009-04-02  9:03                   ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-02  9:05                     ` Herbert Xu
2009-04-01 20:29           ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-01 22:23             ` Andi Kleen
2009-04-01 23:05               ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-01  6:08 ` Rusty Russell
2009-04-01 11:35   ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-02  1:24     ` Rusty Russell
2009-04-02  2:27       ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-01 16:10   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-04-05  3:44     ` Rusty Russell
2009-04-05  8:06       ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-05 14:13       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-04-05 16:10         ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-05 16:45           ` Anthony Liguori [this message]
2009-04-02  3:15   ` Herbert Xu
     [not found] <49D469D2020000A100045FA1@lucius.provo.novell.com>
2009-04-02 14:14 ` Patrick Mullaney
2009-04-02 14:27   ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-02 15:31     ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-02 15:49       ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-02 16:06         ` Herbert Xu
2009-04-02 16:51           ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-02 17:44         ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-03 11:43           ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-03 14:58             ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-03 15:37               ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-03 18:19                 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-05 10:50                   ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-03 17:09               ` Chris Wright
2009-04-03 18:32                 ` Gregory Haskins

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