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From: Shenming Lu <lushenming@huawei.com>
To: "Liu, Yi L" <yi.l.liu@intel.com>,
	"Tian, Kevin" <kevin.tian@intel.com>,
	Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@redhat.com>
Cc: Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com>,
	"kvm@vger.kernel.org" <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Jean-Philippe Brucker <jean-philippe@linaro.org>,
	Eric Auger <eric.auger@redhat.com>,
	Lu Baolu <baolu.lu@linux.intel.com>,
	"wanghaibin.wang@huawei.com" <wanghaibin.wang@huawei.com>,
	"yuzenghui@huawei.com" <yuzenghui@huawei.com>,
	"Pan, Jacob jun" <jacob.jun.pan@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v1 0/4] vfio: Add IOPF support for VFIO passthrough
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 16:02:37 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <75c1387e-ab3e-ec46-3cf6-28537fc75ff0@huawei.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CY4PR1101MB232892F595111A53803F6DBFC38E9@CY4PR1101MB2328.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>

On 2021/2/9 19:06, Liu, Yi L wrote:
>> From: Tian, Kevin <kevin.tian@intel.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, February 4, 2021 2:52 PM
>>> From: Shenming Lu <lushenming@huawei.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 2, 2021 2:42 PM
>>> On 2021/2/1 15:56, Tian, Kevin wrote:
>>>>> From: Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@redhat.com>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2021 6:58 AM
>>>>> On Mon, 25 Jan 2021 17:03:58 +0800
>>>>> Shenming Lu <lushenming@huawei.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> The static pinning and mapping problem in VFIO and possible
>> solutions
>>>>>> have been discussed a lot [1, 2]. One of the solutions is to add I/O
>>>>>> page fault support for VFIO devices. Different from those relatively
>>>>>> complicated software approaches such as presenting a vIOMMU that
>>>>> provides
>>>>>> the DMA buffer information (might include para-virtualized
>>> optimizations),
>>>>>> IOPF mainly depends on the hardware faulting capability, such as the
>>> PCIe
>>>>>> PRI extension or Arm SMMU stall model. What's more, the IOPF
>> support
>>> in
>>>>>> the IOMMU driver is being implemented in SVA [3]. So do we
>> consider to
>>>>>> add IOPF support for VFIO passthrough based on the IOPF part of SVA
>> at
>>>>>> present?
>>>>>> We have implemented a basic demo only for one stage of translation
>>> (GPA
>>>>>> -> HPA in virtualization, note that it can be configured at either stage),
>>>>>> and tested on Hisilicon Kunpeng920 board. The nested mode is more
>>>>> complicated
>>>>>> since VFIO only handles the second stage page faults (same as the
>> non-
>>>>> nested
>>>>>> case), while the first stage page faults need to be further delivered to
>>>>>> the guest, which is being implemented in [4] on ARM. My thought on
>> this
>>>>>> is to report the page faults to VFIO regardless of the occured stage
>> (try
>>>>>> to carry the stage information), and handle respectively according to
>> the
>>>>>> configured mode in VFIO. Or the IOMMU driver might evolve to
>> support
>>>>> more...
>>>>>> Might TODO:
>>>>>>  - Optimize the faulting path, and measure the performance (it might
>> still
>>>>>>    be a big issue).
>>>>>>  - Add support for PRI.
>>>>>>  - Add a MMU notifier to avoid pinning.
>>>>>>  - Add support for the nested mode.
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>> Any comments and suggestions are very welcome. :-)
>>>>> I expect performance to be pretty bad here, the lookup involved per
>>>>> fault is excessive.  There are cases where a user is not going to be
>>>>> willing to have a slow ramp up of performance for their devices as they
>>>>> fault in pages, so we might need to considering making this
>>>>> configurable through the vfio interface.  Our page mapping also only
>>>> There is another factor to be considered. The presence of IOMMU_
>>>> DEV_FEAT_IOPF just indicates the device capability of triggering I/O
>>>> page fault through the IOMMU, but not exactly means that the device
>>>> can tolerate I/O page fault for arbitrary DMA requests.
>>> Yes, so I add a iopf_enabled field in VFIO to indicate the whole path
>> faulting
>>> capability and set it to true after registering a VFIO page fault handler.
>>>> In reality, many
>>>> devices allow I/O faulting only in selective contexts. However, there
>>>> is no standard way (e.g. PCISIG) for the device to report whether
>>>> arbitrary I/O fault is allowed. Then we may have to maintain device
>>>> specific knowledge in software, e.g. in an opt-in table to list devices
>>>> which allows arbitrary faults. For devices which only support selective
>>>> faulting, a mediator (either through vendor extensions on vfio-pci-core
>>>> or a mdev wrapper) might be necessary to help lock down non-faultable
>>>> mappings and then enable faulting on the rest mappings.
>>> For devices which only support selective faulting, they could tell it to the
>>> IOMMU driver and let it filter out non-faultable faults? Do I get it wrong?
>> Not exactly to IOMMU driver. There is already a vfio_pin_pages() for
>> selectively page-pinning. The matter is that 'they' imply some device
>> specific logic to decide which pages must be pinned and such knowledge
>> is outside of VFIO.
>> From enabling p.o.v we could possibly do it in phased approach. First
>> handles devices which tolerate arbitrary DMA faults, and then extends
>> to devices with selective-faulting. The former is simpler, but with one
>> main open whether we want to maintain such device IDs in a static
>> table in VFIO or rely on some hints from other components (e.g. PF
>> driver in VF assignment case). Let's see how Alex thinks about it.
>>>>> grows here, should mappings expire or do we need a least recently
>>>>> mapped tracker to avoid exceeding the user's locked memory limit?
>> How
>>>>> does a user know what to set for a locked memory limit?  The behavior
>>>>> here would lead to cases where an idle system might be ok, but as
>> soon
>>>>> as load increases with more inflight DMA, we start seeing
>>>>> "unpredictable" I/O faults from the user perspective.  Seems like there
>>>>> are lots of outstanding considerations and I'd also like to hear from
>>>>> the SVA folks about how this meshes with their work.  Thanks,
>>>> The main overlap between this feature and SVA is the IOPF reporting
>>>> framework, which currently still has gap to support both in nested
>>>> mode, as discussed here:
>>>> https://lore.kernel.org/linux-acpi/YAaxjmJW+ZMvrhac@myrica/
>>>> Once that gap is resolved in the future, the VFIO fault handler just
>>>> adopts different actions according to the fault-level: 1st level faults
>>>> are forwarded to userspace thru the vSVA path while 2nd-level faults
>>>> are fixed (or warned if not intended) by VFIO itself thru the IOMMU
>>>> mapping interface.
>>> I understand what you mean is:
>>> From the perspective of VFIO, first, we need to set FEAT_IOPF, and then
>>> regster its
>>> own handler with a flag to indicate FLAT or NESTED and which level is
>>> concerned,
>>> thus the VFIO handler can handle the page faults directly according to the
>>> carried
>>> level information.
>>> Is there any plan for evolving(implementing) the IOMMU driver to
>> support
>>> this? Or
>>> could we help this?  :-)
>> Yes, it's in plan but just not happened yet. We are still focusing on guest
>> SVA part thus only the 1st-level page fault (+Yi/Jacob). It's always welcomed
>> to collaborate/help if you have time. ??
> yeah, I saw Eric's page fault support patch is listed as reference. BTW.
> one thing needs to clarify, currently only one iommu fault handler supported
> for a single device. So for the fault handler added in this series, it should
> be consolidated with the one added in Eric's series.

Yeah, they could be combined. And maybe we could register the handler in this series
to the IOMMU driver, and when it receives page faults, further calls the handler in Eric's
series (maybe implemented as a callback in vfio_device_ops) if occurs at 1st-level.
We have to communicate with Eric about this. :-)


  reply	other threads:[~2021-02-10  8:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-01-25  9:03 [RFC PATCH v1 0/4] vfio: Add IOPF support for VFIO passthrough Shenming Lu
2021-01-25  9:03 ` [RFC PATCH v1 1/4] vfio/type1: Add a bitmap to track IOPF mapped pages Shenming Lu
2021-01-29 22:58   ` Alex Williamson
2021-01-30  9:31     ` Shenming Lu
2021-01-25  9:04 ` [RFC PATCH v1 2/4] vfio: Add a page fault handler Shenming Lu
2021-01-27 17:42   ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-01-28  6:10     ` Shenming Lu
2021-01-25  9:04 ` [RFC PATCH v1 3/4] vfio: Try to enable IOPF for VFIO devices Shenming Lu
2021-01-29 22:42   ` Alex Williamson
2021-01-30  9:31     ` Shenming Lu
2021-01-25  9:04 ` [RFC PATCH v1 4/4] vfio: Allow to pin and map dynamically Shenming Lu
2021-01-29 22:57 ` [RFC PATCH v1 0/4] vfio: Add IOPF support for VFIO passthrough Alex Williamson
2021-01-30  9:30   ` Shenming Lu
2021-02-01  7:56   ` Tian, Kevin
2021-02-02  6:41     ` Shenming Lu
2021-02-04  6:52       ` Tian, Kevin
2021-02-05 10:37         ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
2021-02-07  8:20           ` Tian, Kevin
2021-02-07 11:47             ` Shenming Lu
2021-02-09 11:06         ` Liu, Yi L
2021-02-10  8:02           ` Shenming Lu [this message]
2021-03-18  7:53         ` Shenming Lu
2021-03-18  9:07           ` Tian, Kevin
2021-03-18 11:53             ` Shenming Lu
2021-03-18 12:32               ` Tian, Kevin
2021-03-18 12:47                 ` Shenming Lu
2021-03-19  0:33               ` Lu Baolu
2021-03-19  1:30                 ` Keqian Zhu
2021-03-20  1:35                   ` Lu Baolu

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