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From: Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>
To: "Tian, Kevin" <kevin.tian@intel.com>
Cc: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>,
	Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@redhat.com>,
	Niklas Schnelle <schnelle@linux.ibm.com>,
	Lu Baolu <baolu.lu@linux.intel.com>,
	Chaitanya Kulkarni <chaitanyak@nvidia.com>,
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	David Gibson <david@gibson.dropbear.id.au>,
	Eric Auger <eric.auger@redhat.com>,
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	Jean-Philippe Brucker <jean-philippe@linaro.org>,
	"Martins, Joao" <joao.m.martins@oracle.com>,
	"kvm@vger.kernel.org" <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
	Matthew Rosato <mjrosato@linux.ibm.com>,
	"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	Nicolin Chen <nicolinc@nvidia.com>,
	Shameerali Kolothum Thodi  <shameerali.kolothum.thodi@huawei.com>,
	"Liu, Yi L" <yi.l.liu@intel.com>,
	Keqian Zhu <zhukeqian1@huawei.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 04/12] kernel/user: Allow user::locked_vm to be usable for iommufd
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2022 10:27:53 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CACGkMEutpbOc_+5n3SDuNDyHn19jSH4ukSM9i0SUgWmXDydxnA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <BN9PR11MB5276BED72D82280C0A4C6F0C8C199@BN9PR11MB5276.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>

On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 10:12 AM Tian, Kevin <kevin.tian@intel.com> wrote:
>
> > From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2022 12:15 AM
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 09:29:23AM -0600, Alex Williamson wrote:
> >
> > > I'm still picking my way through the series, but the later compat
> > > interface doesn't mention this difference as an outstanding issue.
> > > Doesn't this difference need to be accounted in how libvirt manages VM
> > > resource limits?
> >
> > AFACIT, no, but it should be checked.
> >
> > > AIUI libvirt uses some form of prlimit(2) to set process locked
> > > memory limits.
> >
> > Yes, and ulimit does work fully. prlimit adjusts the value:
> >
> > int do_prlimit(struct task_struct *tsk, unsigned int resource,
> >               struct rlimit *new_rlim, struct rlimit *old_rlim)
> > {
> >       rlim = tsk->signal->rlim + resource;
> > [..]
> >               if (new_rlim)
> >                       *rlim = *new_rlim;
> >
> > Which vfio reads back here:
> >
> > drivers/vfio/vfio_iommu_type1.c:        unsigned long pfn, limit =
> > rlimit(RLIMIT_MEMLOCK) >> PAGE_SHIFT;
> > drivers/vfio/vfio_iommu_type1.c:        unsigned long limit =
> > rlimit(RLIMIT_MEMLOCK) >> PAGE_SHIFT;
> >
> > And iommufd does the same read back:
> >
> >       lock_limit =
> >               task_rlimit(pages->source_task, RLIMIT_MEMLOCK) >>
> > PAGE_SHIFT;
> >       npages = pages->npinned - pages->last_npinned;
> >       do {
> >               cur_pages = atomic_long_read(&pages->source_user-
> > >locked_vm);
> >               new_pages = cur_pages + npages;
> >               if (new_pages > lock_limit)
> >                       return -ENOMEM;
> >       } while (atomic_long_cmpxchg(&pages->source_user->locked_vm,
> > cur_pages,
> >                                    new_pages) != cur_pages);
> >
> > So it does work essentially the same.
> >
> > The difference is more subtle, iouring/etc puts the charge in the user
> > so it is additive with things like iouring and additively spans all
> > the users processes.
> >
> > However vfio is accounting only per-process and only for itself - no
> > other subsystem uses locked as the charge variable for DMA pins.
> >
> > The user visible difference will be that a limit X that worked with
> > VFIO may start to fail after a kernel upgrade as the charge accounting
> > is now cross user and additive with things like iommufd.
> >
> > This whole area is a bit peculiar (eg mlock itself works differently),
> > IMHO, but with most of the places doing pins voting to use
> > user->locked_vm as the charge it seems the right path in today's
> > kernel.
> >
> > Ceratinly having qemu concurrently using three different subsystems
> > (vfio, rdma, iouring) issuing FOLL_LONGTERM and all accounting for
> > RLIMIT_MEMLOCK differently cannot be sane or correct.
> >
> > I plan to fix RDMA like this as well so at least we can have
> > consistency within qemu.
> >
>
> I have an impression that iommufd and vfio type1 must use
> the same accounting scheme given the management stack
> has no insight into qemu on which one is actually used thus
> cannot adapt to the subtle difference in between. in this
> regard either we start fixing vfio type1 to use user->locked_vm
> now or have iommufd follow vfio type1 for upward compatibility
> and then change them together at a later point.
>
> I prefer to the former as IMHO I don't know when will be a later
> point w/o certain kernel changes to actually break the userspace
> policy built on a wrong accounting scheme...

I wonder if the kernel is the right place to do this. We have new uAPI
so management layer can know the difference of the accounting in
advance by

-device vfio-pci,iommufd=on

?

>
> Thanks
> Kevin
>


  reply	other threads:[~2022-03-24  2:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 122+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-03-18 17:27 [PATCH RFC 00/12] IOMMUFD Generic interface Jason Gunthorpe
2022-03-18 17:27 ` [PATCH RFC 01/12] interval-tree: Add a utility to iterate over spans in an interval tree Jason Gunthorpe
2022-03-18 17:27 ` [PATCH RFC 02/12] iommufd: Overview documentation Jason Gunthorpe
2022-03-18 17:27 ` [PATCH RFC 03/12] iommufd: File descriptor, context, kconfig and makefiles Jason Gunthorpe
2022-03-22 14:18   ` Niklas Schnelle
2022-03-22 14:50     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-03-18 17:27 ` [PATCH RFC 04/12] kernel/user: Allow user::locked_vm to be usable for iommufd Jason Gunthorpe
2022-03-22 14:28   ` Niklas Schnelle
2022-03-22 14:57     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-03-22 15:29       ` Alex Williamson
2022-03-22 16:15         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-03-24  2:11           ` Tian, Kevin
2022-03-24  2:27             ` Jason Wang [this message]
2022-03-24  2:42               ` Tian, Kevin
2022-03-24  2:57                 ` Jason Wang
2022-03-24  3:15                   ` Tian, Kevin
2022-03-24  3:50                     ` Jason Wang
2022-03-24  4:29                       ` Tian, Kevin
2022-03-24 11:46                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-03-28  1:53                         ` Jason Wang
2022-03-28 12:22                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-03-29  4:59                             ` Jason Wang
2022-03-29 11:46                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-03-28 13:14                           ` Sean Mooney
2022-03-28 14:27                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-03-24 20:40           ` Alex Williamson
2022-03-24 22:27             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-03-24 22:41               ` Alex Williamson
2022-03-22 16:31       ` Niklas Schnelle
2022-03-22 16:41         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-03-18 17:27 ` [PATCH RFC 05/12] iommufd: PFN handling for iopt_pages Jason Gunthorpe
2022-03-23 15:37   ` Niklas Schnelle
2022-03-23 16:09     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-03-18 17:27 ` [PATCH RFC 06/12] iommufd: Algorithms for PFN storage Jason Gunthorpe
2022-03-18 17:27 ` [PATCH RFC 07/12] iommufd: Data structure to provide IOVA to PFN mapping Jason Gunthorpe
2022-03-22 22:15   ` Alex Williamson
2022-03-23 18:15     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-03-24  3:09       ` Tian, Kevin
2022-03-24 12:46         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-03-25 13:34   ` zhangfei.gao
2022-03-25 17:19     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-04-13 14:02   ` Yi Liu
2022-04-13 14:36     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-04-13 14:49       ` Yi Liu
2022-04-17 14:56         ` Yi Liu
2022-04-18 10:47           ` Yi Liu
2022-03-18 17:27 ` [PATCH RFC 08/12] iommufd: IOCTLs for the io_pagetable Jason Gunthorpe
2022-03-23 19:10   ` Alex Williamson
2022-03-23 19:34     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-03-23 20:04       ` Alex Williamson
2022-03-23 20:34         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-03-23 22:54           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-03-24  7:25             ` Tian, Kevin
2022-03-24 13:46               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-03-25  2:15                 ` Tian, Kevin
2022-03-27  2:32                 ` Tian, Kevin
2022-03-27 14:28                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-03-28 17:17                 ` Alex Williamson
2022-03-28 18:57                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-03-28 19:47                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-03-28 21:26                       ` Alex Williamson
2022-03-24  6:46           ` Tian, Kevin
2022-03-30 13:35   ` Yi Liu
2022-03-31 12:59     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-04-01 13:30       ` Yi Liu
2022-03-31  4:36   ` David Gibson
2022-03-31  5:41     ` Tian, Kevin
2022-03-31 12:58     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-04-28  5:58       ` David Gibson
2022-04-28 14:22         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-04-29  6:00           ` David Gibson
2022-04-29 12:54             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-04-30 14:44               ` David Gibson
2022-03-18 17:27 ` [PATCH RFC 09/12] iommufd: Add a HW pagetable object Jason Gunthorpe
2022-03-18 17:27 ` [PATCH RFC 10/12] iommufd: Add kAPI toward external drivers Jason Gunthorpe
2022-03-23 18:10   ` Alex Williamson
2022-03-23 18:15     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-05-11 12:54   ` Yi Liu
2022-05-19  9:45   ` Yi Liu
2022-05-19 12:35     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-03-18 17:27 ` [PATCH RFC 11/12] iommufd: vfio container FD ioctl compatibility Jason Gunthorpe
2022-03-23 22:51   ` Alex Williamson
2022-03-24  0:33     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-03-24  8:13       ` Eric Auger
2022-03-24 22:04       ` Alex Williamson
2022-03-24 23:11         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-03-25  3:10           ` Tian, Kevin
2022-03-25 11:24           ` Joao Martins
2022-04-28 14:53         ` David Gibson
2022-04-28 15:10           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-04-29  1:21             ` Tian, Kevin
2022-04-29  6:22               ` David Gibson
2022-04-29 12:50                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-05-02  4:10                   ` David Gibson
2022-04-29  6:20             ` David Gibson
2022-04-29 12:48               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-05-02  7:30                 ` David Gibson
2022-05-05 19:07                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-05-06  5:25                     ` David Gibson
2022-05-06 10:42                       ` Tian, Kevin
2022-05-09  3:36                         ` David Gibson
2022-05-06 12:48                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-05-09  6:01                         ` David Gibson
2022-05-09 14:00                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-05-10  7:12                             ` David Gibson
2022-05-10 19:00                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-05-11  3:15                                 ` Tian, Kevin
2022-05-11 16:32                                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-05-11 23:23                                     ` Tian, Kevin
2022-05-13  4:35                                   ` David Gibson
2022-05-11  4:40                                 ` David Gibson
2022-05-11  2:46                             ` Tian, Kevin
2022-05-23  6:02           ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2022-05-24 13:25             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-05-25  1:39               ` David Gibson
2022-05-25  2:09               ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2022-03-29  9:17     ` Yi Liu
2022-03-18 17:27 ` [PATCH RFC 12/12] iommufd: Add a selftest Jason Gunthorpe
2022-04-12 20:13 ` [PATCH RFC 00/12] IOMMUFD Generic interface Eric Auger
2022-04-12 20:22   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-04-12 20:50     ` Eric Auger
2022-04-14 10:56 ` Yi Liu

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