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From: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
To: Xu Yilun <yilun.xu@intel.com>
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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v11 01/29] KVM: Wrap kvm_gfn_range.pte in a per-action union
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2023 11:05:29 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZMAO6bhan9l6ybQM@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZLphxpSTL9Fpn1ye@yilunxu-OptiPlex-7050>

On Fri, Jul 21, 2023, Xu Yilun wrote:
> On 2023-07-21 at 14:26:11 +0800, Yan Zhao wrote:
> > On Tue, Jul 18, 2023 at 04:44:44PM -0700, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> > 
> > May I know why KVM now needs to register to callback .change_pte()?
> 
> I can see the original purpose is to "setting a pte in the shadow page
> table directly, instead of flushing the shadow page table entry and then
> getting vmexit to set it"[1].
> 
> IIUC, KVM is expected to directly make the new pte present for new
> pages in this callback, like for COW.

Yes.

> > As also commented in kvm_mmu_notifier_change_pte(), .change_pte() must be
> > surrounded by .invalidate_range_{start,end}().
> > 
> > While kvm_mmu_notifier_invalidate_range_start() has called kvm_unmap_gfn_range()
> > to zap all leaf SPTEs, and page fault path will not install new SPTEs
> > successfully before kvm_mmu_notifier_invalidate_range_end(),
> > kvm_set_spte_gfn() should not be able to find any shadow present leaf entries to
> > update PFN.
> 
> I also failed to figure out how the kvm_set_spte_gfn() could pass
> several !is_shadow_present_pte(iter.old_spte) check then write the new
> pte.

It can't.  .change_pte() has been dead code on x86 for 10+ years at this point,
and if my assessment from a few years back still holds true, it's dead code on
all architectures.

The only reason I haven't formally proposed dropping the hook is that I don't want
to risk the patch backfiring, i.e. I don't want to prompt someone to care enough
to try and fix it.

commit c13fda237f08a388ba8a0849785045944bf39834
Author: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
Date:   Fri Apr 2 02:56:49 2021 +0200

    KVM: Assert that notifier count is elevated in .change_pte()
    
    In KVM's .change_pte() notification callback, replace the notifier
    sequence bump with a WARN_ON assertion that the notifier count is
    elevated.  An elevated count provides stricter protections than bumping
    the sequence, and the sequence is guarnateed to be bumped before the
    count hits zero.
    
    When .change_pte() was added by commit 828502d30073 ("ksm: add
    mmu_notifier set_pte_at_notify()"), bumping the sequence was necessary
    as .change_pte() would be invoked without any surrounding notifications.
    
    However, since commit 6bdb913f0a70 ("mm: wrap calls to set_pte_at_notify
    with invalidate_range_start and invalidate_range_end"), all calls to
    .change_pte() are guaranteed to be surrounded by start() and end(), and
    so are guaranteed to run with an elevated notifier count.
    
    Note, wrapping .change_pte() with .invalidate_range_{start,end}() is a
    bug of sorts, as invalidating the secondary MMU's (KVM's) PTE defeats
    the purpose of .change_pte().  Every arch's kvm_set_spte_hva() assumes
    .change_pte() is called when the relevant SPTE is present in KVM's MMU,
    as the original goal was to accelerate Kernel Samepage Merging (KSM) by
    updating KVM's SPTEs without requiring a VM-Exit (due to invalidating
    the SPTE).  I.e. it means that .change_pte() is effectively dead code
    on _all_ architectures.
    
    x86 and MIPS are clearcut nops if the old SPTE is not-present, and that
    is guaranteed due to the prior invalidation.  PPC simply unmaps the SPTE,
    which again should be a nop due to the invalidation.  arm64 is a bit
    murky, but it's also likely a nop because kvm_pgtable_stage2_map() is
    called without a cache pointer, which means it will map an entry if and
    only if an existing PTE was found.
    
    For now, take advantage of the bug to simplify future consolidation of
    KVMs's MMU notifier code.   Doing so will not greatly complicate fixing
    .change_pte(), assuming it's even worth fixing.  .change_pte() has been
    broken for 8+ years and no one has complained.  Even if there are
    KSM+KVM users that care deeply about its performance, the benefits of
    avoiding VM-Exits via .change_pte() need to be reevaluated to justify
    the added complexity and testing burden.  Ripping out .change_pte()
    entirely would be a lot easier.

  reply	other threads:[~2023-07-25 18:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 140+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-07-18 23:44 [RFC PATCH v11 00/29] KVM: guest_memfd() and per-page attributes Sean Christopherson
2023-07-18 23:44 ` [RFC PATCH v11 01/29] KVM: Wrap kvm_gfn_range.pte in a per-action union Sean Christopherson
2023-07-19 13:39   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2023-07-19 15:39     ` Sean Christopherson
2023-07-19 16:55   ` Paolo Bonzini
2023-07-26 20:22     ` Sean Christopherson
2023-07-21  6:26   ` Yan Zhao
2023-07-21 10:45     ` Xu Yilun
2023-07-25 18:05       ` Sean Christopherson [this message]
2023-07-18 23:44 ` [RFC PATCH v11 02/29] KVM: Tweak kvm_hva_range and hva_handler_t to allow reusing for gfn ranges Sean Christopherson
2023-07-19 17:12   ` Paolo Bonzini
2023-07-18 23:44 ` [RFC PATCH v11 03/29] KVM: Use gfn instead of hva for mmu_notifier_retry Sean Christopherson
2023-07-19 17:12   ` Paolo Bonzini
2023-07-18 23:44 ` [RFC PATCH v11 04/29] KVM: PPC: Drop dead code related to KVM_ARCH_WANT_MMU_NOTIFIER Sean Christopherson
2023-07-19 17:34   ` Paolo Bonzini
2023-07-18 23:44 ` [RFC PATCH v11 05/29] KVM: Convert KVM_ARCH_WANT_MMU_NOTIFIER to CONFIG_KVM_GENERIC_MMU_NOTIFIER Sean Christopherson
2023-07-19  7:31   ` Yuan Yao
2023-07-19 14:15     ` Sean Christopherson
2023-07-20  1:15       ` Yuan Yao
2023-07-18 23:44 ` [RFC PATCH v11 06/29] KVM: Introduce KVM_SET_USER_MEMORY_REGION2 Sean Christopherson
2023-07-21  9:03   ` Paolo Bonzini
2023-07-28  9:25   ` Quentin Perret
2023-07-29  0:03     ` Sean Christopherson
2023-07-31  9:30       ` Quentin Perret
2023-07-31 15:58       ` Paolo Bonzini
2023-07-18 23:44 ` [RFC PATCH v11 07/29] KVM: Add KVM_EXIT_MEMORY_FAULT exit Sean Christopherson
2023-07-19  7:54   ` Yuan Yao
2023-07-19 14:16     ` Sean Christopherson
2023-07-18 23:44 ` [RFC PATCH v11 08/29] KVM: Introduce per-page memory attributes Sean Christopherson
2023-07-20  8:09   ` Yuan Yao
2023-07-20 19:02     ` Isaku Yamahata
2023-07-20 20:20       ` Sean Christopherson
2023-07-21 10:57   ` Paolo Bonzini
2023-07-21 15:56   ` Xiaoyao Li
2023-07-24  4:43   ` Xu Yilun
2023-07-26 15:59     ` Sean Christopherson
2023-07-27  3:24       ` Xu Yilun
2023-08-02 20:31   ` Isaku Yamahata
2023-08-14  0:44   ` Binbin Wu
2023-08-14 21:54     ` Sean Christopherson
2023-07-18 23:44 ` [RFC PATCH v11 09/29] KVM: x86: Disallow hugepages when memory attributes are mixed Sean Christopherson
2023-07-21 11:59   ` Paolo Bonzini
2023-07-21 17:41     ` Sean Christopherson
2023-07-18 23:44 ` [RFC PATCH v11 10/29] mm: Add AS_UNMOVABLE to mark mapping as completely unmovable Sean Christopherson
2023-07-25 10:24   ` Kirill A . Shutemov
2023-07-25 12:51     ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-07-26 11:36       ` Kirill A . Shutemov
2023-07-28 16:02       ` Vlastimil Babka
2023-07-28 16:13         ` Paolo Bonzini
2023-09-01  8:23       ` Vlastimil Babka
2023-07-18 23:44 ` [RFC PATCH v11 11/29] security: Export security_inode_init_security_anon() for use by KVM Sean Christopherson
2023-07-19  2:14   ` Paul Moore
2023-07-31 10:46   ` Vlastimil Babka
2023-07-18 23:44 ` [RFC PATCH v11 12/29] KVM: Add KVM_CREATE_GUEST_MEMFD ioctl() for guest-specific backing memory Sean Christopherson
2023-07-19 17:21   ` Vishal Annapurve
2023-07-19 17:47     ` Sean Christopherson
2023-07-20 14:45   ` Xiaoyao Li
2023-07-20 15:14     ` Sean Christopherson
2023-07-20 21:28   ` Isaku Yamahata
2023-07-21  6:13   ` Yuan Yao
2023-07-21 22:27     ` Isaku Yamahata
2023-07-21 22:33       ` Sean Christopherson
2023-07-21 15:05   ` Xiaoyao Li
2023-07-21 15:42     ` Xiaoyao Li
2023-07-21 17:42       ` Sean Christopherson
2023-07-21 17:17   ` Paolo Bonzini
2023-07-21 17:50     ` Sean Christopherson
2023-07-25 15:09   ` Wang, Wei W
2023-07-25 16:03     ` Sean Christopherson
2023-07-26  1:51       ` Wang, Wei W
2023-07-31 16:23       ` Fuad Tabba
2023-07-26 17:18   ` Elliot Berman
2023-07-26 19:28     ` Sean Christopherson
2023-07-27 10:39   ` Fuad Tabba
2023-07-27 17:13     ` Sean Christopherson
2023-07-31 13:46       ` Fuad Tabba
2023-08-03 19:15   ` Ryan Afranji
2023-08-07 23:06   ` Ackerley Tng
2023-08-08 21:13     ` Sean Christopherson
2023-08-10 23:57       ` Vishal Annapurve
2023-08-11 17:44         ` Sean Christopherson
2023-08-15 18:43       ` Ackerley Tng
2023-08-15 20:03         ` Sean Christopherson
2023-08-21 17:30           ` Ackerley Tng
2023-08-21 19:33             ` Sean Christopherson
2023-08-28 22:56               ` Ackerley Tng
2023-08-29  2:53                 ` Elliot Berman
2023-09-14 19:12                   ` Sean Christopherson
2023-09-14 18:15                 ` Sean Christopherson
2023-09-14 23:19                   ` Ackerley Tng
2023-09-15  0:33                     ` Sean Christopherson
2023-08-30 15:12   ` Binbin Wu
2023-08-30 16:44     ` Ackerley Tng
2023-09-01  3:45       ` Binbin Wu
2023-09-01 16:46         ` Ackerley Tng
2023-07-18 23:44 ` [RFC PATCH v11 13/29] KVM: Add transparent hugepage support for dedicated guest memory Sean Christopherson
2023-07-21 15:07   ` Paolo Bonzini
2023-07-21 17:13     ` Sean Christopherson
2023-09-06 22:10       ` Paolo Bonzini
2023-07-18 23:44 ` [RFC PATCH v11 14/29] KVM: x86/mmu: Handle page fault for private memory Sean Christopherson
2023-07-21 15:09   ` Paolo Bonzini
2023-07-18 23:44 ` [RFC PATCH v11 15/29] KVM: Drop superfluous __KVM_VCPU_MULTIPLE_ADDRESS_SPACE macro Sean Christopherson
2023-07-21 15:07   ` Paolo Bonzini
2023-07-18 23:44 ` [RFC PATCH v11 16/29] KVM: Allow arch code to track number of memslot address spaces per VM Sean Christopherson
2023-07-21 15:12   ` Paolo Bonzini
2023-07-18 23:45 ` [RFC PATCH v11 17/29] KVM: x86: Add support for "protected VMs" that can utilize private memory Sean Christopherson
2023-07-18 23:45 ` [RFC PATCH v11 18/29] KVM: selftests: Drop unused kvm_userspace_memory_region_find() helper Sean Christopherson
2023-07-21 15:14   ` Paolo Bonzini
2023-07-18 23:45 ` [RFC PATCH v11 19/29] KVM: selftests: Convert lib's mem regions to KVM_SET_USER_MEMORY_REGION2 Sean Christopherson
2023-07-18 23:45 ` [RFC PATCH v11 20/29] KVM: selftests: Add support for creating private memslots Sean Christopherson
2023-07-18 23:45 ` [RFC PATCH v11 21/29] KVM: selftests: Add helpers to convert guest memory b/w private and shared Sean Christopherson
2023-07-18 23:45 ` [RFC PATCH v11 22/29] KVM: selftests: Add helpers to do KVM_HC_MAP_GPA_RANGE hypercalls (x86) Sean Christopherson
2023-07-18 23:45 ` [RFC PATCH v11 23/29] KVM: selftests: Introduce VM "shape" to allow tests to specify the VM type Sean Christopherson
2023-07-18 23:45 ` [RFC PATCH v11 24/29] KVM: selftests: Add GUEST_SYNC[1-6] macros for synchronizing more data Sean Christopherson
2023-07-18 23:45 ` [RFC PATCH v11 25/29] KVM: selftests: Add x86-only selftest for private memory conversions Sean Christopherson
2023-07-18 23:45 ` [RFC PATCH v11 26/29] KVM: selftests: Add KVM_SET_USER_MEMORY_REGION2 helper Sean Christopherson
2023-07-18 23:45 ` [RFC PATCH v11 27/29] KVM: selftests: Expand set_memory_region_test to validate guest_memfd() Sean Christopherson
2023-08-07 23:17   ` Ackerley Tng
2023-07-18 23:45 ` [RFC PATCH v11 28/29] KVM: selftests: Add basic selftest for guest_memfd() Sean Christopherson
2023-08-07 23:20   ` Ackerley Tng
2023-08-18 23:03     ` Sean Christopherson
2023-08-07 23:25   ` Ackerley Tng
2023-08-18 23:01     ` Sean Christopherson
2023-08-21 19:49       ` Ackerley Tng
2023-07-18 23:45 ` [RFC PATCH v11 29/29] KVM: selftests: Test KVM exit behavior for private memory/access Sean Christopherson
2023-07-24  6:38 ` [RFC PATCH v11 00/29] KVM: guest_memfd() and per-page attributes Nikunj A. Dadhania
2023-07-24 17:00   ` Sean Christopherson
2023-07-26 11:20     ` Nikunj A. Dadhania
2023-07-26 14:24       ` Sean Christopherson
2023-07-27  6:42         ` Nikunj A. Dadhania
2023-08-03 11:03       ` Vlastimil Babka
2023-07-24 20:16 ` Sean Christopherson
2023-08-25 17:47 ` Sean Christopherson
2023-08-29  9:12   ` Chao Peng
2023-08-31 18:29     ` Sean Christopherson
2023-09-01  1:17       ` Chao Peng
2023-09-01  8:26         ` Vlastimil Babka
2023-09-01  9:10         ` Paolo Bonzini
2023-08-30  0:00   ` Isaku Yamahata
2023-09-09  0:16   ` Sean Christopherson

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