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From: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
To: Fuad Tabba <tabba@google.com>
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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v11 12/29] KVM: Add KVM_CREATE_GUEST_MEMFD ioctl() for guest-specific backing memory
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2023 10:13:07 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZMKlo+Fe8n/eLQ82@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+EHjTzP2fypgkJbRpSPrKaWytW7v8ANEifofMnQCkdvYaX6Eg@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Jul 27, 2023, Fuad Tabba wrote:
> Hi Sean,
> 
> <snip>
> ...
> 
> > @@ -5134,6 +5167,16 @@ static long kvm_vm_ioctl(struct file *filp,
> >         case KVM_GET_STATS_FD:
> >                 r = kvm_vm_ioctl_get_stats_fd(kvm);
> >                 break;
> > +       case KVM_CREATE_GUEST_MEMFD: {
> > +               struct kvm_create_guest_memfd guest_memfd;
> > +
> > +               r = -EFAULT;
> > +               if (copy_from_user(&guest_memfd, argp, sizeof(guest_memfd)))
> > +                       goto out;
> > +
> > +               r = kvm_gmem_create(kvm, &guest_memfd);
> > +               break;
> > +       }
> 
> I'm thinking line of sight here, by having this as a vm ioctl (rather
> than a system iocl), would it complicate making it possible in the
> future to share/donate memory between VMs?

Maybe, but I hope not?

There would still be a primary owner of the memory, i.e. the memory would still
need to be allocated in the context of a specific VM.  And the primary owner should
be able to restrict privileges, e.g. allow a different VM to read but not write
memory.

My current thinking is to (a) tie the lifetime of the backing pages to the inode,
i.e. allow allocations to outlive the original VM, and (b) create a new file each
time memory is shared/donated with a different VM (or other entity in the kernel).

That should make it fairly straightforward to provide different permissions, e.g.
track them per-file, and I think should also avoid the need to change the memslot
binding logic since each VM would have it's own view/bindings.

Copy+pasting a relevant snippet from a lengthier response in a different thread[*]:

  Conceptually, I think KVM should to bind to the file.  The inode is effectively
  the raw underlying physical storage, while the file is the VM's view of that
  storage. 
  
  Practically, I think that gives us a clean, intuitive way to handle intra-host
  migration.  Rather than transfer ownership of the file, instantiate a new file
  for the target VM, using the gmem inode from the source VM, i.e. create a hard
  link.  That'd probably require new uAPI, but I don't think that will be hugely
  problematic.  KVM would need to ensure the new VM's guest_memfd can't be mapped
  until KVM_CAP_VM_MOVE_ENC_CONTEXT_FROM (which would also need to verify the
  memslots/bindings are identical), but that should be easy enough to enforce.
  
  That way, a VM, its memslots, and its SPTEs are tied to the file, while allowing
  the memory and the *contents* of memory to outlive the VM, i.e. be effectively
  transfered to the new target VM.  And we'll maintain the invariant that each
  guest_memfd is bound 1:1 with a single VM.
  
  As above, that should also help us draw the line between mapping memory into a
  VM (file), and freeing/reclaiming the memory (inode).
  
  There will be extra complexity/overhead as we'll have to play nice with the
  possibility of multiple files per inode, e.g. to zap mappings across all files
  when punching a hole, but the extra complexity is quite small, e.g. we can use
  address_space.private_list to keep track of the guest_memfd instances associated
  with the inode.
  
  Setting aside TDX and SNP for the moment, as it's not clear how they'll support
  memory that is "private" but shared between multiple VMs, I think per-VM files
  would work well for sharing gmem between two VMs.  E.g. would allow a give page
  to be bound to a different gfn for each VM, would allow having different permissions
  for each file (e.g. to allow fallocate() only from the original owner).

[*] https://lore.kernel.org/all/ZLGiEfJZTyl7M8mS@google.com

  reply	other threads:[~2023-07-27 17:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 140+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-07-18 23:44 [RFC PATCH v11 00/29] KVM: guest_memfd() and per-page attributes Sean Christopherson
2023-07-18 23:44 ` [RFC PATCH v11 01/29] KVM: Wrap kvm_gfn_range.pte in a per-action union Sean Christopherson
2023-07-19 13:39   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2023-07-19 15:39     ` Sean Christopherson
2023-07-19 16:55   ` Paolo Bonzini
2023-07-26 20:22     ` Sean Christopherson
2023-07-21  6:26   ` Yan Zhao
2023-07-21 10:45     ` Xu Yilun
2023-07-25 18:05       ` Sean Christopherson
2023-07-18 23:44 ` [RFC PATCH v11 02/29] KVM: Tweak kvm_hva_range and hva_handler_t to allow reusing for gfn ranges Sean Christopherson
2023-07-19 17:12   ` Paolo Bonzini
2023-07-18 23:44 ` [RFC PATCH v11 03/29] KVM: Use gfn instead of hva for mmu_notifier_retry Sean Christopherson
2023-07-19 17:12   ` Paolo Bonzini
2023-07-18 23:44 ` [RFC PATCH v11 04/29] KVM: PPC: Drop dead code related to KVM_ARCH_WANT_MMU_NOTIFIER Sean Christopherson
2023-07-19 17:34   ` Paolo Bonzini
2023-07-18 23:44 ` [RFC PATCH v11 05/29] KVM: Convert KVM_ARCH_WANT_MMU_NOTIFIER to CONFIG_KVM_GENERIC_MMU_NOTIFIER Sean Christopherson
2023-07-19  7:31   ` Yuan Yao
2023-07-19 14:15     ` Sean Christopherson
2023-07-20  1:15       ` Yuan Yao
2023-07-18 23:44 ` [RFC PATCH v11 06/29] KVM: Introduce KVM_SET_USER_MEMORY_REGION2 Sean Christopherson
2023-07-21  9:03   ` Paolo Bonzini
2023-07-28  9:25   ` Quentin Perret
2023-07-29  0:03     ` Sean Christopherson
2023-07-31  9:30       ` Quentin Perret
2023-07-31 15:58       ` Paolo Bonzini
2023-07-18 23:44 ` [RFC PATCH v11 07/29] KVM: Add KVM_EXIT_MEMORY_FAULT exit Sean Christopherson
2023-07-19  7:54   ` Yuan Yao
2023-07-19 14:16     ` Sean Christopherson
2023-07-18 23:44 ` [RFC PATCH v11 08/29] KVM: Introduce per-page memory attributes Sean Christopherson
2023-07-20  8:09   ` Yuan Yao
2023-07-20 19:02     ` Isaku Yamahata
2023-07-20 20:20       ` Sean Christopherson
2023-07-21 10:57   ` Paolo Bonzini
2023-07-21 15:56   ` Xiaoyao Li
2023-07-24  4:43   ` Xu Yilun
2023-07-26 15:59     ` Sean Christopherson
2023-07-27  3:24       ` Xu Yilun
2023-08-02 20:31   ` Isaku Yamahata
2023-08-14  0:44   ` Binbin Wu
2023-08-14 21:54     ` Sean Christopherson
2023-07-18 23:44 ` [RFC PATCH v11 09/29] KVM: x86: Disallow hugepages when memory attributes are mixed Sean Christopherson
2023-07-21 11:59   ` Paolo Bonzini
2023-07-21 17:41     ` Sean Christopherson
2023-07-18 23:44 ` [RFC PATCH v11 10/29] mm: Add AS_UNMOVABLE to mark mapping as completely unmovable Sean Christopherson
2023-07-25 10:24   ` Kirill A . Shutemov
2023-07-25 12:51     ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-07-26 11:36       ` Kirill A . Shutemov
2023-07-28 16:02       ` Vlastimil Babka
2023-07-28 16:13         ` Paolo Bonzini
2023-09-01  8:23       ` Vlastimil Babka
2023-07-18 23:44 ` [RFC PATCH v11 11/29] security: Export security_inode_init_security_anon() for use by KVM Sean Christopherson
2023-07-19  2:14   ` Paul Moore
2023-07-31 10:46   ` Vlastimil Babka
2023-07-18 23:44 ` [RFC PATCH v11 12/29] KVM: Add KVM_CREATE_GUEST_MEMFD ioctl() for guest-specific backing memory Sean Christopherson
2023-07-19 17:21   ` Vishal Annapurve
2023-07-19 17:47     ` Sean Christopherson
2023-07-20 14:45   ` Xiaoyao Li
2023-07-20 15:14     ` Sean Christopherson
2023-07-20 21:28   ` Isaku Yamahata
2023-07-21  6:13   ` Yuan Yao
2023-07-21 22:27     ` Isaku Yamahata
2023-07-21 22:33       ` Sean Christopherson
2023-07-21 15:05   ` Xiaoyao Li
2023-07-21 15:42     ` Xiaoyao Li
2023-07-21 17:42       ` Sean Christopherson
2023-07-21 17:17   ` Paolo Bonzini
2023-07-21 17:50     ` Sean Christopherson
2023-07-25 15:09   ` Wang, Wei W
2023-07-25 16:03     ` Sean Christopherson
2023-07-26  1:51       ` Wang, Wei W
2023-07-31 16:23       ` Fuad Tabba
2023-07-26 17:18   ` Elliot Berman
2023-07-26 19:28     ` Sean Christopherson
2023-07-27 10:39   ` Fuad Tabba
2023-07-27 17:13     ` Sean Christopherson [this message]
2023-07-31 13:46       ` Fuad Tabba
2023-08-03 19:15   ` Ryan Afranji
2023-08-07 23:06   ` Ackerley Tng
2023-08-08 21:13     ` Sean Christopherson
2023-08-10 23:57       ` Vishal Annapurve
2023-08-11 17:44         ` Sean Christopherson
2023-08-15 18:43       ` Ackerley Tng
2023-08-15 20:03         ` Sean Christopherson
2023-08-21 17:30           ` Ackerley Tng
2023-08-21 19:33             ` Sean Christopherson
2023-08-28 22:56               ` Ackerley Tng
2023-08-29  2:53                 ` Elliot Berman
2023-09-14 19:12                   ` Sean Christopherson
2023-09-14 18:15                 ` Sean Christopherson
2023-09-14 23:19                   ` Ackerley Tng
2023-09-15  0:33                     ` Sean Christopherson
2023-08-30 15:12   ` Binbin Wu
2023-08-30 16:44     ` Ackerley Tng
2023-09-01  3:45       ` Binbin Wu
2023-09-01 16:46         ` Ackerley Tng
2023-07-18 23:44 ` [RFC PATCH v11 13/29] KVM: Add transparent hugepage support for dedicated guest memory Sean Christopherson
2023-07-21 15:07   ` Paolo Bonzini
2023-07-21 17:13     ` Sean Christopherson
2023-09-06 22:10       ` Paolo Bonzini
2023-07-18 23:44 ` [RFC PATCH v11 14/29] KVM: x86/mmu: Handle page fault for private memory Sean Christopherson
2023-07-21 15:09   ` Paolo Bonzini
2023-07-18 23:44 ` [RFC PATCH v11 15/29] KVM: Drop superfluous __KVM_VCPU_MULTIPLE_ADDRESS_SPACE macro Sean Christopherson
2023-07-21 15:07   ` Paolo Bonzini
2023-07-18 23:44 ` [RFC PATCH v11 16/29] KVM: Allow arch code to track number of memslot address spaces per VM Sean Christopherson
2023-07-21 15:12   ` Paolo Bonzini
2023-07-18 23:45 ` [RFC PATCH v11 17/29] KVM: x86: Add support for "protected VMs" that can utilize private memory Sean Christopherson
2023-07-18 23:45 ` [RFC PATCH v11 18/29] KVM: selftests: Drop unused kvm_userspace_memory_region_find() helper Sean Christopherson
2023-07-21 15:14   ` Paolo Bonzini
2023-07-18 23:45 ` [RFC PATCH v11 19/29] KVM: selftests: Convert lib's mem regions to KVM_SET_USER_MEMORY_REGION2 Sean Christopherson
2023-07-18 23:45 ` [RFC PATCH v11 20/29] KVM: selftests: Add support for creating private memslots Sean Christopherson
2023-07-18 23:45 ` [RFC PATCH v11 21/29] KVM: selftests: Add helpers to convert guest memory b/w private and shared Sean Christopherson
2023-07-18 23:45 ` [RFC PATCH v11 22/29] KVM: selftests: Add helpers to do KVM_HC_MAP_GPA_RANGE hypercalls (x86) Sean Christopherson
2023-07-18 23:45 ` [RFC PATCH v11 23/29] KVM: selftests: Introduce VM "shape" to allow tests to specify the VM type Sean Christopherson
2023-07-18 23:45 ` [RFC PATCH v11 24/29] KVM: selftests: Add GUEST_SYNC[1-6] macros for synchronizing more data Sean Christopherson
2023-07-18 23:45 ` [RFC PATCH v11 25/29] KVM: selftests: Add x86-only selftest for private memory conversions Sean Christopherson
2023-07-18 23:45 ` [RFC PATCH v11 26/29] KVM: selftests: Add KVM_SET_USER_MEMORY_REGION2 helper Sean Christopherson
2023-07-18 23:45 ` [RFC PATCH v11 27/29] KVM: selftests: Expand set_memory_region_test to validate guest_memfd() Sean Christopherson
2023-08-07 23:17   ` Ackerley Tng
2023-07-18 23:45 ` [RFC PATCH v11 28/29] KVM: selftests: Add basic selftest for guest_memfd() Sean Christopherson
2023-08-07 23:20   ` Ackerley Tng
2023-08-18 23:03     ` Sean Christopherson
2023-08-07 23:25   ` Ackerley Tng
2023-08-18 23:01     ` Sean Christopherson
2023-08-21 19:49       ` Ackerley Tng
2023-07-18 23:45 ` [RFC PATCH v11 29/29] KVM: selftests: Test KVM exit behavior for private memory/access Sean Christopherson
2023-07-24  6:38 ` [RFC PATCH v11 00/29] KVM: guest_memfd() and per-page attributes Nikunj A. Dadhania
2023-07-24 17:00   ` Sean Christopherson
2023-07-26 11:20     ` Nikunj A. Dadhania
2023-07-26 14:24       ` Sean Christopherson
2023-07-27  6:42         ` Nikunj A. Dadhania
2023-08-03 11:03       ` Vlastimil Babka
2023-07-24 20:16 ` Sean Christopherson
2023-08-25 17:47 ` Sean Christopherson
2023-08-29  9:12   ` Chao Peng
2023-08-31 18:29     ` Sean Christopherson
2023-09-01  1:17       ` Chao Peng
2023-09-01  8:26         ` Vlastimil Babka
2023-09-01  9:10         ` Paolo Bonzini
2023-08-30  0:00   ` Isaku Yamahata
2023-09-09  0:16   ` Sean Christopherson

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