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From: Greg KH <greg-U8xfFu+wG4EAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
To: Steven Rostedt <rostedt-nx8X9YLhiw1AfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Carlos O'Donell <carlos-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	Thorsten Leemhuis <linux-rCxcAJFjeRkk+I/owrrOrA@public.gmane.org>,
	ksummit-discuss-cunTk1MwBs98uUxBSJOaYoYkZiVZrdSR2LY78lusg7I@public.gmane.org,
	Shuah Khan <shuahkh-JPH+aEBZ4P+UEJcrhfAQsw@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-api-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [MAINTAINERS SUMMIT] & [TECH TOPIC] Improve regression tracking
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2017 16:06:07 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170705140607.GA30187@kroah.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170705092757.63dc2328-f9ZlEuEWxVcJvu8Pb33WZ0EMvNT87kid@public.gmane.org>

On Wed, Jul 05, 2017 at 09:27:57AM -0400, Steven Rostedt wrote:
> Your "b" above is what I would like to push. But who's going to enforce
> this? With 10,000 changes per release, and a lot of them are fixes, the
> best we can do is the honor system. Start shaming people that don't
> have a regression test along with a Fixes tag (but we don't want people
> to fix bugs without adding that tag either). There is a fine line one
> must walk between getting people to change their approaches to bugs and
> regression tests, and pissing them off where they start doing the
> opposite of what would be best for the community.

I would bet, for the huge majority of our fixes, they are fixes for
specific hardware, or workarounds for specific hardware issues.  Now
writing tests for those is not an impossible task (look at what the i915
developers have), but it is very very hard overall, especially if the
base infrastructure isn't there to do it.

For specific examples, here's the shortlog for fixes that went into
drivers/usb/host/ for 4.12 after 4.12-rc1 came out.  Do you know of a
way to write a test for these types of things?
	usb: xhci: ASMedia ASM1042A chipset need shorts TX quirk
	usb: xhci: Fix USB 3.1 supported protocol parsing
	usb: host: xhci-plat: propagate return value of platform_get_irq()
	xhci: Fix command ring stop regression in 4.11
	xhci: remove GFP_DMA flag from allocation
	USB: xhci: fix lock-inversion problem
	usb: host: xhci-ring: don't need to clear interrupt pending for MSI enabled hcd
	usb: host: xhci-mem: allocate zeroed Scratchpad Buffer
	xhci: apply PME_STUCK_QUIRK and MISSING_CAS quirk for Denverton
	usb: xhci: trace URB before giving it back instead of after
	USB: host: xhci: use max-port define
	USB: ehci-platform: fix companion-device leak
	usb: r8a66597-hcd: select a different endpoint on timeout
	usb: r8a66597-hcd: decrease timeout

And look at the commits with the "Fixes:" tag in it, I do, I read every
one of them.  See if writing a test for the majority of them would even
be possible...

I don't mean to poo-poo the idea, but please realize that around 75% of
the kernel is hardware/arch support, so that means that 75% of the
changes/fixes deal with hardware things (yes, change is in direct
correlation to size of the codebase in the tree, strange but true).

If only I had a subsystem that didn't have to deal with hardware, that
must be so easy to work with :)

thanks,

greg k-h

  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-07-05 14:06 UTC|newest]

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     [not found] <576cea07-770a-4864-c3f5-0832ff211e94@leemhuis.info>
     [not found] ` <576cea07-770a-4864-c3f5-0832ff211e94-rCxcAJFjeRkk+I/owrrOrA@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-03 16:30   ` [Ksummit-discuss] [MAINTAINERS SUMMIT] & [TECH TOPIC] Improve regression tracking Steven Rostedt
     [not found]     ` <20170703123025.7479702e-f9ZlEuEWxVcJvu8Pb33WZ0EMvNT87kid@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-03 18:50       ` Dan Williams
2017-07-04 19:03       ` Thorsten Leemhuis
     [not found]         ` <ad94dc65-cc9c-f4f1-27c1-5a48603c7f59-rCxcAJFjeRkk+I/owrrOrA@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-05 12:45           ` Steven Rostedt
     [not found]             ` <20170705084528.67499f8c-f9ZlEuEWxVcJvu8Pb33WZ0EMvNT87kid@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-05 13:09               ` Carlos O'Donell
     [not found]                 ` <4080ecc7-1aa8-2940-f230-1b79d656cdb4-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-05 13:27                   ` Steven Rostedt
     [not found]                     ` <20170705092757.63dc2328-f9ZlEuEWxVcJvu8Pb33WZ0EMvNT87kid@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-05 14:06                       ` Greg KH [this message]
     [not found]                         ` <20170705140607.GA30187-U8xfFu+wG4EAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-05 14:28                           ` Carlos O'Donell
2017-07-05 14:33                           ` Steven Rostedt
     [not found]                             ` <20170705103335.0cbd9984-f9ZlEuEWxVcJvu8Pb33WZ0EMvNT87kid@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-05 14:52                               ` Mark Brown
2017-07-05 15:08                               ` Carlos O'Donell
     [not found]                                 ` <8c6843e8-73d9-a898-0366-0b72dfeb79a2-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-05 16:10                                   ` Steven Rostedt
     [not found]                                     ` <20170705121000.5430d7d0-f9ZlEuEWxVcJvu8Pb33WZ0EMvNT87kid@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-06 11:34                                       ` Laurent Pinchart
2017-07-09 13:46                               ` Thorsten Leemhuis
2017-07-05 14:33                           ` Mark Brown
     [not found]                             ` <20170705143341.oees22k2snhtmkxo-GFdadSzt00ze9xe1eoZjHA@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-05 14:36                               ` Steven Rostedt
     [not found]                                 ` <20170705103658.226099c6-f9ZlEuEWxVcJvu8Pb33WZ0EMvNT87kid@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-05 14:50                                   ` James Bottomley
     [not found]                                     ` <1499266228.3668.10.camel-d9PhHud1JfjCXq6kfMZ53/egYHeGw8Jk@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-05 14:56                                       ` Steven Rostedt
     [not found]                                         ` <20170705105651.5da9c969-f9ZlEuEWxVcJvu8Pb33WZ0EMvNT87kid@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-05 15:09                                           ` James Bottomley
     [not found]                                             ` <1499267389.3668.16.camel-d9PhHud1JfjCXq6kfMZ53/egYHeGw8Jk@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-05 15:20                                               ` Mark Brown
     [not found]                                                 ` <20170705152026.rkw73q2f6xmiju37-GFdadSzt00ze9xe1eoZjHA@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-05 15:40                                                   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-07-05 15:20                                               ` Steven Rostedt
     [not found]                                                 ` <20170705112047.23ee09f6-f9ZlEuEWxVcJvu8Pb33WZ0EMvNT87kid@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-05 15:32                                                   ` James Bottomley
     [not found]                                                     ` <1499268748.3668.20.camel-d9PhHud1JfjCXq6kfMZ53/egYHeGw8Jk@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-05 15:43                                                       ` Steven Rostedt
2017-07-05 18:24                                               ` Daniel Vetter
2017-07-05 18:17                                   ` Daniel Vetter
2017-07-05 15:16                           ` Guenter Roeck
     [not found]                             ` <a462fb3b-a6d4-e969-b301-b404981de224-0h96xk9xTtrk1uMJSBkQmQ@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-05 15:27                               ` Steven Rostedt
     [not found]                                 ` <20170705112707.54d7f345-f9ZlEuEWxVcJvu8Pb33WZ0EMvNT87kid@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-05 15:36                                   ` James Bottomley
     [not found]                                     ` <1499269015.3668.25.camel-d9PhHud1JfjCXq6kfMZ53/egYHeGw8Jk@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-05 16:04                                       ` Steven Rostedt
     [not found]                                         ` <20170705120459.41e81f7b-f9ZlEuEWxVcJvu8Pb33WZ0EMvNT87kid@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-05 16:58                                           ` James Bottomley
     [not found]                                             ` <1499273908.3668.30.camel-d9PhHud1JfjCXq6kfMZ53/egYHeGw8Jk@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-05 17:07                                               ` Steven Rostedt
2017-07-05 16:48                                   ` Guenter Roeck
     [not found]                                     ` <c782a15a-4e73-7373-ca66-5b55e9406059-0h96xk9xTtrk1uMJSBkQmQ@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-05 16:58                                       ` Dan Williams
2017-07-05 17:02                                       ` Steven Rostedt
     [not found]                                         ` <20170705130200.7c653f61-f9ZlEuEWxVcJvu8Pb33WZ0EMvNT87kid@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-06  9:28                                           ` Mark Brown
     [not found]                                             ` <20170706092836.ifcnc2qqwufndhdl-GFdadSzt00ze9xe1eoZjHA@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-06  9:41                                               ` Daniel Vetter
     [not found]                                                 ` <CAKMK7uFH+Kz8Mdph=J_FCZ4LC3tzoOmwNJPpSO+snTz6p0Xz+w-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-06 14:53                                                   ` Theodore Ts'o
     [not found]                                                     ` <20170706145346.6w2uzcf7xacbr3or-AKGzg7BKzIDYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-06 21:28                                                       ` Daniel Vetter
2017-07-06 14:48                                               ` James Bottomley
     [not found]                                                 ` <1499352485.2765.14.camel-d9PhHud1JfjCXq6kfMZ53/egYHeGw8Jk@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-07 10:03                                                   ` Mark Brown
2017-07-31 16:54                                           ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                                             ` <87zibkzgve.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-31 20:11                                               ` Steven Rostedt
     [not found]                                                 ` <20170731161123.4d1e80ac-f9ZlEuEWxVcJvu8Pb33WZ0EMvNT87kid@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-31 20:12                                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-08-02 16:53                                               ` Shuah Khan
     [not found]                                                 ` <fb399eba-91eb-21a5-e3f5-c3f919061c12-JPH+aEBZ4P+UEJcrhfAQsw@public.gmane.org>
2017-08-02 17:33                                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                                                     ` <87lgn1nac8.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2017-08-02 17:46                                                       ` Shuah Khan
     [not found]                                                         ` <61093c3f-6ad0-c033-a524-f2624f8d55ba-JPH+aEBZ4P+UEJcrhfAQsw@public.gmane.org>
2017-08-02 17:58                                                           ` Shuah Khan
2017-08-02 18:04                                                           ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                                                             ` <87r2wtluc1.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2017-08-02 18:23                                                               ` Randy Dunlap
2017-08-02 18:42                                                               ` Shuah Khan
     [not found]                                                                 ` <92c31d6f-f98d-c764-eeec-bd0a2316d769-JPH+aEBZ4P+UEJcrhfAQsw@public.gmane.org>
2017-08-03  3:03                                                                   ` Theodore Ts'o
     [not found]                                                                     ` <20170803030327.gf7pl7foer3abdpe-AKGzg7BKzIDYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org>
2017-08-03 17:42                                                                       ` Bird, Timothy
     [not found]                                                                         ` <ECADFF3FD767C149AD96A924E7EA6EAF3AD01BAB-t8YLG9SB9XQEb75RT/aEbJZPSYnAH24X@public.gmane.org>
2017-08-03 22:11                                                                           ` Shuah Khan
2017-08-03 18:51                                                                       ` Shuah Khan
     [not found]                                                                         ` <a313d401-d18b-ed9a-d82d-f6e12f606743-JPH+aEBZ4P+UEJcrhfAQsw@public.gmane.org>
2017-08-04  1:15                                                                           ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-07-07  3:33                                   ` Fengguang Wu
     [not found]                                     ` <20170707033302.rgpq5knzx3qvvr2p-q6ZYBFIlbFFi0tQiZxhdj1DQ4js95KgL@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-07  4:52                                       ` Frank Rowand
2017-07-05 15:32                               ` Greg KH
     [not found]                                 ` <20170705153259.GA7265-U8xfFu+wG4EAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-05 15:36                                   ` Carlos O'Donell
2017-07-05 15:52                                   ` Steven Rostedt
     [not found]                                     ` <20170705115219.02370220-f9ZlEuEWxVcJvu8Pb33WZ0EMvNT87kid@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-05 18:42                                       ` Greg KH
2017-07-05 18:29                                   ` Daniel Vetter
2017-07-06 22:24                                   ` Shuah Khan
     [not found]                                     ` <a2fada39-76d4-e136-f2db-d8306d929902-JPH+aEBZ4P+UEJcrhfAQsw@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-06 22:32                                       ` Steven Rostedt
     [not found]                                         ` <20170706183249.60b2aef9-f9ZlEuEWxVcJvu8Pb33WZ0EMvNT87kid@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-06 22:40                                           ` Shuah Khan
2017-07-05 16:54                           ` Dan Williams
     [not found]                             ` <CAPcyv4iOV2-hndx1rQmpPQF+myp=P8rmpf5JhXQXZxPhR6qoQw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-05 18:45                               ` Greg KH
     [not found]                                 ` <20170705184544.GB22044-U8xfFu+wG4EAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-05 19:47                                   ` Dan Williams
2017-07-05 14:06                       ` Carlos O'Donell
2017-07-05 15:47                   ` Mark Brown

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