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From: Vineet Gupta <Vineet.Gupta1-HKixBCOQz3hWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
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Subject: Re: dma_sync_*_for_cpu and direction=TO_DEVICE (was Re: [PATCH 02/20] dma-mapping: provide a generic dma-noncoherent implementation)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2018 13:35:08 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <cecfe6bd-ef1f-1e25-bfcf-992d1f828efb@synopsys.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180518175004.GF17671-l+eeeJia6m9URfEZ8mYm6t73F7V6hmMc@public.gmane.org>

On 05/18/2018 10:50 AM, Russell King - ARM Linux wrote:
> On Fri, May 18, 2018 at 10:20:02AM -0700, Vineet Gupta wrote:
>> I never understood the need for this direction. And if memory serves me
>> right, at that time I was seeing twice the amount of cache flushing !
> It's necessary.  Take a moment to think carefully about this:
>
> 	dma_map_single(, dir)
>
> 	dma_sync_single_for_cpu(, dir)
>
> 	dma_sync_single_for_device(, dir)
>
> 	dma_unmap_single(, dir)

As an aside, do these imply a state machine of sorts - does a driver needs to 
always call map_single first ?

My original point of contention/confusion is the specific combinations of API and 
direction, specifically for_cpu(TO_DEV) and for_device(TO_CPU)

Semantically what does dma_sync_single_for_cpu(TO_DEV) even imply for a non dma 
coherent arch.
Your tables below have "none" for both, implying it is unlikely to be a real 
combination (for ARM and ARC atleast).

The other case, actually @dir TO_CPU, independent of for_{cpu, device}  implies 
driver intends to touch it after the call, so it would invalidate any stray lines, 
unconditionally (and not just for speculative prefetch case).


> In the case of a DMA-incoherent architecture, the operations done at each
> stage depend on the direction argument:
>
> 	map		for_cpu		for_device	unmap
> TO_DEV	writeback	none		writeback	none
> TO_CPU	invalidate	invalidate*	invalidate	invalidate*
> BIDIR	writeback	invalidate	writeback	invalidate
>
> * - only necessary if the CPU speculatively prefetches.
>
> The multiple invalidations for the TO_CPU case handles different
> conditions that can result in data corruption, and for some CPUs, all
> four are necessary.

Can you please explain in some more detail, TO_CPU row, why invalidate is 
conditional sometimes.
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From: Vineet Gupta <Vineet.Gupta1@synopsys.com>
To: Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@armlinux.org.uk>
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Subject: Re: dma_sync_*_for_cpu and direction=TO_DEVICE (was Re: [PATCH 02/20] dma-mapping: provide a generic dma-noncoherent implementation)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2018 13:35:08 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <cecfe6bd-ef1f-1e25-bfcf-992d1f828efb@synopsys.com> (raw)
Message-ID: <20180518203508.JT0jkyWHE9Q9-gNUEgz9nsaUjYwQf8tLo0XsBeNi99A@z> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180518175004.GF17671@n2100.armlinux.org.uk>

On 05/18/2018 10:50 AM, Russell King - ARM Linux wrote:
> On Fri, May 18, 2018 at 10:20:02AM -0700, Vineet Gupta wrote:
>> I never understood the need for this direction. And if memory serves me
>> right, at that time I was seeing twice the amount of cache flushing !
> It's necessary.  Take a moment to think carefully about this:
>
> 	dma_map_single(, dir)
>
> 	dma_sync_single_for_cpu(, dir)
>
> 	dma_sync_single_for_device(, dir)
>
> 	dma_unmap_single(, dir)

As an aside, do these imply a state machine of sorts - does a driver needs to 
always call map_single first ?

My original point of contention/confusion is the specific combinations of API and 
direction, specifically for_cpu(TO_DEV) and for_device(TO_CPU)

Semantically what does dma_sync_single_for_cpu(TO_DEV) even imply for a non dma 
coherent arch.
Your tables below have "none" for both, implying it is unlikely to be a real 
combination (for ARM and ARC atleast).

The other case, actually @dir TO_CPU, independent of for_{cpu, device}  implies 
driver intends to touch it after the call, so it would invalidate any stray lines, 
unconditionally (and not just for speculative prefetch case).


> In the case of a DMA-incoherent architecture, the operations done at each
> stage depend on the direction argument:
>
> 	map		for_cpu		for_device	unmap
> TO_DEV	writeback	none		writeback	none
> TO_CPU	invalidate	invalidate*	invalidate	invalidate*
> BIDIR	writeback	invalidate	writeback	invalidate
>
> * - only necessary if the CPU speculatively prefetches.
>
> The multiple invalidations for the TO_CPU case handles different
> conditions that can result in data corruption, and for some CPUs, all
> four are necessary.

Can you please explain in some more detail, TO_CPU row, why invalidate is 
conditional sometimes.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-05-18 20:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 78+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-05-11  7:59 common non-cache coherent direct dma mapping ops Christoph Hellwig
2018-05-11  7:59 ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-05-11  7:59 ` [PATCH 01/20] dma-mapping: simplify Kconfig dependencies Christoph Hellwig
2018-05-11  7:59   ` Christoph Hellwig
     [not found] ` <20180511075945.16548-1-hch-jcswGhMUV9g@public.gmane.org>
2018-05-11  7:59   ` [PATCH 02/20] dma-mapping: provide a generic dma-noncoherent implementation Christoph Hellwig
2018-05-11  7:59     ` Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]     ` <20180511075945.16548-3-hch-jcswGhMUV9g@public.gmane.org>
2018-05-18 13:03       ` Alexey Brodkin
2018-05-18 13:03         ` Alexey Brodkin
     [not found]         ` <bad125dff49f6e49c895e818c9d1abb346a46e8e.camel-HKixBCOQz3hWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2018-05-18 13:27           ` hch-jcswGhMUV9g
2018-05-18 13:27             ` hch
     [not found]             ` <20180518132731.GA31125-jcswGhMUV9g@public.gmane.org>
2018-05-18 14:13               ` Alexey Brodkin
2018-05-18 14:13                 ` Alexey Brodkin
2018-05-18 17:28               ` Vineet Gupta
2018-05-18 17:28                 ` Vineet Gupta
2018-05-18 17:20           ` dma_sync_*_for_cpu and direction=TO_DEVICE (was Re: [PATCH 02/20] dma-mapping: provide a generic dma-noncoherent implementation) Vineet Gupta
2018-05-18 17:20             ` Vineet Gupta
2018-05-18 17:50             ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2018-05-18 17:50               ` Russell King - ARM Linux
     [not found]               ` <20180518175004.GF17671-l+eeeJia6m9URfEZ8mYm6t73F7V6hmMc@public.gmane.org>
2018-05-18 19:57                 ` Alexey Brodkin
2018-05-18 19:57                   ` Alexey Brodkin
     [not found]                   ` <182840dedb4890a88c672b1c5d556920bf89a8fb.camel-HKixBCOQz3hWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2018-05-18 21:33                     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2018-05-18 21:33                       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2018-05-18 20:35                 ` Vineet Gupta [this message]
2018-05-18 20:35                   ` Vineet Gupta
2018-05-18 21:55                   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2018-05-18 21:55                     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2018-05-18 20:05         ` [PATCH 02/20] dma-mapping: provide a generic dma-noncoherent implementation Helge Deller
2018-05-18 20:05           ` Helge Deller
     [not found]           ` <0c5d27e9-2799-eb38-8b09-47a04c48b5c7-Mmb7MZpHnFY@public.gmane.org>
2018-05-19  6:38             ` hch-jcswGhMUV9g
2018-05-19  6:38               ` hch
2018-05-11  7:59   ` [PATCH 03/20] arc: use generic dma_noncoherent_ops Christoph Hellwig
2018-05-11  7:59     ` Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]     ` <20180511075945.16548-4-hch-jcswGhMUV9g@public.gmane.org>
2018-05-11 12:44       ` Alexey Brodkin
2018-05-11 12:44         ` Alexey Brodkin
2018-05-11  7:59   ` [PATCH 04/20] arm-nommu: " Christoph Hellwig
2018-05-11  7:59     ` Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]     ` <20180511075945.16548-5-hch-jcswGhMUV9g@public.gmane.org>
2018-05-11  9:11       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2018-05-11  9:11         ` Russell King - ARM Linux
     [not found]         ` <20180511091114.GA16141-l+eeeJia6m9URfEZ8mYm6t73F7V6hmMc@public.gmane.org>
2018-05-22 11:53           ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-05-22 11:53             ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-05-11 13:56       ` John Garry
2018-05-11 13:56         ` John Garry
2018-05-11  7:59   ` [PATCH 05/20] c6x: " Christoph Hellwig
2018-05-11  7:59     ` Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]     ` <20180511075945.16548-6-hch-jcswGhMUV9g@public.gmane.org>
2018-05-15  0:25       ` [Linux-c6x-dev] " Mark Salter
2018-05-15  0:25         ` Mark Salter
2018-05-11  7:59   ` [PATCH 06/20] hexagon: " Christoph Hellwig
2018-05-11  7:59     ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-05-11  7:59   ` [PATCH 07/20] m68k: " Christoph Hellwig
2018-05-11  7:59     ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-05-11  7:59   ` [PATCH 08/20] microblaze: " Christoph Hellwig
2018-05-11  7:59     ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-05-11  7:59   ` [PATCH 09/20] microblaze: remove the consistent_sync and consistent_sync_page Christoph Hellwig
2018-05-11  7:59     ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-05-11  7:59   ` [PATCH 10/20] nds32: use generic dma_noncoherent_ops Christoph Hellwig
2018-05-11  7:59     ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-05-11  7:59   ` [PATCH 11/20] nios2: " Christoph Hellwig
2018-05-11  7:59     ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-05-11  7:59   ` [PATCH 12/20] openrisc: " Christoph Hellwig
2018-05-11  7:59     ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-05-11  7:59   ` [PATCH 13/20] sh: simplify get_arch_dma_ops Christoph Hellwig
2018-05-11  7:59     ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-05-11  7:59   ` [PATCH 14/20] sh: introduce a sh_cacheop_vaddr helper Christoph Hellwig
2018-05-11  7:59     ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-05-11  7:59   ` [PATCH 15/20] sh: use dma_direct_ops for the CONFIG_DMA_COHERENT case Christoph Hellwig
2018-05-11  7:59     ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-05-11  7:59   ` [PATCH 16/20] mm: split arch/sh/mm/consistent.c Christoph Hellwig
2018-05-11  7:59     ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-05-11  7:59   ` [PATCH 17/20] sh: use generic dma_noncoherent_ops Christoph Hellwig
2018-05-11  7:59     ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-05-11  7:59   ` [PATCH 18/20] xtensa: " Christoph Hellwig
2018-05-11  7:59     ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-05-11  7:59   ` [PATCH 19/20] sparc: " Christoph Hellwig
2018-05-11  7:59     ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-05-11  7:59   ` [PATCH 20/20] parisc: " Christoph Hellwig
2018-05-11  7:59     ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-05-13 13:26 ` common non-cache coherent direct dma mapping ops Helge Deller
2018-05-13 13:26   ` Helge Deller

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