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From: Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>
To: Dave Martin <Dave.Martin@arm.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v15 00/17] arm64: untag user pointers passed to the kernel
Date: Thu, 23 May 2019 17:57:09 +0100
Message-ID: <20190523165708.q6ru7xg45aqfjzpr@mbp> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190523104256.GX28398@e103592.cambridge.arm.com>

On Thu, May 23, 2019 at 11:42:57AM +0100, Dave P Martin wrote:
> On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 09:20:52PM -0300, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> > On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 02:49:28PM +0100, Dave Martin wrote:
> > > If multiple people will care about this, perhaps we should try to
> > > annotate types more explicitly in SYSCALL_DEFINEx() and ABI data
> > > structures.
> > > 
> > > For example, we could have a couple of mutually exclusive modifiers
> > > 
> > > T __object *
> > > T __vaddr * (or U __vaddr)
> > > 
> > > In the first case the pointer points to an object (in the C sense)
> > > that the call may dereference but not use for any other purpose.
> > 
> > How would you use these two differently?
> > 
> > So far the kernel has worked that __user should tag any pointer that
> > is from userspace and then you can't do anything with it until you
> > transform it into a kernel something
> 
> Ultimately it would be good to disallow casting __object pointers execpt
> to compatible __object pointer types, and to make get_user etc. demand
> __object.
> 
> __vaddr pointers / addresses would be freely castable, but not to
> __object and so would not be dereferenceable even indirectly.

I think it gets too complicated and there are ambiguous cases that we
may not be able to distinguish. For example copy_from_user() may be used
to copy a user data structure into the kernel, hence __object would
work, while the same function may be used to copy opaque data to a file,
so __vaddr may be a better option (unless I misunderstood your
proposal).

We currently have T __user * and I think it's a good starting point. The
prior attempt [1] was shut down because it was just hiding the cast
using __force. We'd need to work through those cases again and rather
start changing the function prototypes to avoid unnecessary casting in
the callers (e.g. get_user_pages(void __user *) or come up with a new
type) while changing the explicit casting to a macro where it needs to
be obvious that we are converting a user pointer, potentially typed
(tagged), to an untyped address range. We may need a user_ptr_to_ulong()
macro or similar (it seems that we have a u64_to_user_ptr, wasn't aware
of it).

It may actually not be far from what you suggested but I'd keep the
current T __user * to denote possible dereference.

[1] https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/5d54526e5ff2e5ad63d0dfdd9ab17cf359afa4f2.1535629099.git.andreyknvl@google.com/

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Catalin

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Thread overview: 99+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-05-06 16:30 Andrey Konovalov
2019-05-06 16:30 ` [PATCH v15 01/17] uaccess: add untagged_addr definition for other arches Andrey Konovalov
2019-05-29 14:49   ` Khalid Aziz
2019-05-06 16:30 ` [PATCH v15 02/17] arm64: untag user pointers in access_ok and __uaccess_mask_ptr Andrey Konovalov
2019-05-06 16:30 ` [PATCH v15 03/17] lib, arm64: untag user pointers in strn*_user Andrey Konovalov
2019-05-22 10:41   ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-06 16:30 ` [PATCH v15 04/17] mm: add ksys_ wrappers to memory syscalls Andrey Konovalov
2019-05-22 10:56   ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-06 16:30 ` [PATCH v15 05/17] arms64: untag user pointers passed " Andrey Konovalov
2019-05-22 11:49   ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-22 21:16     ` Evgenii Stepanov
2019-05-23  9:04       ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-24  4:23         ` Evgenii Stepanov
2019-05-24 15:41   ` Andrew Murray
2019-05-25  9:57   ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-27  9:42   ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-27 14:37   ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-28 14:54     ` Andrew Murray
2019-05-28 15:40       ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-28 15:56         ` Dave Martin
2019-05-28 16:34           ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-29 12:42             ` Dave Martin
2019-05-29 13:23               ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-29 15:18                 ` Dave Martin
2019-05-28 23:33         ` Khalid Aziz
2019-05-29 14:20           ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-29 19:16             ` Khalid Aziz
2019-05-30 15:11               ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-30 16:05                 ` Khalid Aziz
2019-05-30 16:57                   ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-28 13:05   ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-06 16:30 ` [PATCH v15 06/17] mm: untag user pointers in do_pages_move Andrey Konovalov
2019-05-22 11:51   ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-06 16:30 ` [PATCH v15 07/17] mm, arm64: untag user pointers in mm/gup.c Andrey Konovalov
2019-05-22 11:56   ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-06 16:30 ` [PATCH v15 08/17] mm, arm64: untag user pointers in get_vaddr_frames Andrey Konovalov
2019-05-06 16:30 ` [PATCH v15 09/17] fs, arm64: untag user pointers in copy_mount_options Andrey Konovalov
2019-05-22 12:09   ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-06 16:30 ` [PATCH v15 10/17] fs, arm64: untag user pointers in fs/userfaultfd.c Andrey Konovalov
2019-05-06 16:30 ` [PATCH v15 11/17] drm/amdgpu, arm64: untag user pointers Andrey Konovalov
2019-05-07 16:43   ` Kuehling, Felix
2019-05-06 16:30 ` [PATCH v15 12/17] drm/radeon, arm64: untag user pointers in radeon_gem_userptr_ioctl Andrey Konovalov
2019-05-07 16:44   ` Kuehling, Felix
2019-05-06 16:30 ` [PATCH v15 13/17] IB, arm64: untag user pointers in ib_uverbs_(re)reg_mr() Andrey Konovalov
2019-05-06 19:50   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-05-07  6:33     ` Leon Romanovsky
2019-05-06 16:31 ` [PATCH v15 14/17] media/v4l2-core, arm64: untag user pointers in videobuf_dma_contig_user_get Andrey Konovalov
2019-05-24 13:13   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-05-06 16:31 ` [PATCH v15 15/17] tee, arm64: untag user pointers in tee_shm_register Andrey Konovalov
2019-05-06 16:31 ` [PATCH v15 16/17] vfio/type1, arm64: untag user pointers in vaddr_get_pfn Andrey Konovalov
2019-05-06 16:31 ` [PATCH v15 17/17] selftests, arm64: add a selftest for passing tagged pointers to kernel Andrey Konovalov
2019-05-22 14:16   ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-31 14:21     ` Andrey Konovalov
2019-05-31 16:22       ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-17 14:49 ` [PATCH v15 00/17] arm64: untag user pointers passed to the kernel Catalin Marinas
2019-05-20 23:53   ` Evgenii Stepanov
2019-05-21 18:29     ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-22  0:04       ` Kees Cook
2019-05-22 10:11         ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-22 15:30           ` enh
2019-05-22 16:35             ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-22 16:58               ` enh
2019-05-23 15:21                 ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-22 20:47               ` Kees Cook
2019-05-22 23:03                 ` Evgenii Stepanov
2019-05-22 23:09                   ` enh
2019-05-23  7:34                     ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-23 14:44                 ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-23 15:44                   ` enh
2019-05-23 17:00                     ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-23 16:38                   ` Kees Cook
2019-05-23 17:43                     ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-23 21:31                       ` Kees Cook
2019-05-24 11:20                         ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-28 17:02                         ` Catalin Marinas
2019-06-02  5:06                           ` Kees Cook
2019-05-22 19:21             ` Kees Cook
2019-05-22 20:15               ` enh
2019-05-23 15:08               ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-23 17:51         ` Khalid Aziz
2019-05-23 20:11           ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-23 21:42             ` Khalid Aziz
2019-05-23 21:49             ` Khalid Aziz
2019-05-24 10:11               ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-24 14:25                 ` Khalid Aziz
2019-05-28 14:14                   ` Andrey Konovalov
2019-05-29  6:11                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2019-05-29 12:12                       ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-30 17:15                     ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-31 14:29                       ` Andrey Konovalov
2019-05-31 16:19                         ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-31 16:24                           ` Andrey Konovalov
2019-05-31 16:46                             ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-21 18:48   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-05-22 13:49     ` Dave Martin
2019-05-23  0:20       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-05-23 10:42         ` Dave Martin
2019-05-23 16:57           ` Catalin Marinas [this message]
2019-05-24 14:23             ` Dave Martin

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