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From: Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>
To: Dave Martin <Dave.Martin@arm.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v15 05/17] arms64: untag user pointers passed to memory syscalls
Date: Wed, 29 May 2019 14:23:42 +0100
Message-ID: <20190529132341.27t3knoxpb7t7y3g@mbp> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190529124224.GE28398@e103592.cambridge.arm.com>

On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 01:42:25PM +0100, Dave P Martin wrote:
> On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 05:34:00PM +0100, Catalin Marinas wrote:
> > On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 04:56:45PM +0100, Dave P Martin wrote:
> > > On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 04:40:58PM +0100, Catalin Marinas wrote:
> > > 
> > > [...]
> > > 
> > > > My thoughts on allowing tags (quick look):
> > > >
> > > > brk - no
> > > 
> > > [...]
> > > 
> > > > mlock, mlock2, munlock - yes
> > > > mmap - no (we may change this with MTE but not for TBI)
> > > 
> > > [...]
> > > 
> > > > mprotect - yes
> > > 
> > > I haven't following this discussion closely... what's the rationale for
> > > the inconsistencies here (feel free to refer me back to the discussion
> > > if it's elsewhere).
> > 
> > _My_ rationale (feel free to disagree) is that mmap() by default would
> > not return a tagged address (ignoring MTE for now). If it gets passed a
> > tagged address or a "tagged NULL" (for lack of a better name) we don't
> > have clear semantics of whether the returned address should be tagged in
> > this ABI relaxation. I'd rather reserve this specific behaviour if we
> > overload the non-zero tag meaning of mmap() for MTE. Similar reasoning
> > for mremap(), at least on the new_address argument (not entirely sure
> > about old_address).
> > 
> > munmap() should probably follow the mmap() rules.
> > 
> > As for brk(), I don't see why the user would need to pass a tagged
> > address, we can't associate any meaning to this tag.
> > 
> > For the rest, since it's likely such addresses would have been tagged by
> > malloc() in user space, we should allow tagged pointers.
> 
> Those arguments seem reasonable.  We should try to capture this
> somewhere when documenting the ABI.
> 
> To be clear, I'm not sure that we should guarantee anywhere that a
> tagged pointer is rejected: rather the behaviour should probably be
> left unspecified.  Then we can tidy it up incrementally.
> 
> (The behaviour is unspecified today, in any case.)

What is specified (or rather de-facto ABI) today is that passing a user
address above TASK_SIZE (e.g. non-zero top byte) would fail in most
cases. If we relax this with the TBI we may end up with some de-facto
ABI before we actually get MTE hardware. Tightening it afterwards may be
slightly more problematic, although MTE needs to be an explicit opt-in.

IOW, I wouldn't want to unnecessarily relax the ABI if we don't need to.

-- 
Catalin

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Thread overview: 99+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-05-06 16:30 [PATCH v15 00/17] arm64: untag user pointers passed to the kernel Andrey Konovalov
2019-05-06 16:30 ` [PATCH v15 01/17] uaccess: add untagged_addr definition for other arches Andrey Konovalov
2019-05-29 14:49   ` Khalid Aziz
2019-05-06 16:30 ` [PATCH v15 02/17] arm64: untag user pointers in access_ok and __uaccess_mask_ptr Andrey Konovalov
2019-05-06 16:30 ` [PATCH v15 03/17] lib, arm64: untag user pointers in strn*_user Andrey Konovalov
2019-05-22 10:41   ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-06 16:30 ` [PATCH v15 04/17] mm: add ksys_ wrappers to memory syscalls Andrey Konovalov
2019-05-22 10:56   ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-06 16:30 ` [PATCH v15 05/17] arms64: untag user pointers passed " Andrey Konovalov
2019-05-22 11:49   ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-22 21:16     ` Evgenii Stepanov
2019-05-23  9:04       ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-24  4:23         ` Evgenii Stepanov
2019-05-24 15:41   ` Andrew Murray
2019-05-25  9:57   ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-27  9:42   ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-27 14:37   ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-28 14:54     ` Andrew Murray
2019-05-28 15:40       ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-28 15:56         ` Dave Martin
2019-05-28 16:34           ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-29 12:42             ` Dave Martin
2019-05-29 13:23               ` Catalin Marinas [this message]
2019-05-29 15:18                 ` Dave Martin
2019-05-28 23:33         ` Khalid Aziz
2019-05-29 14:20           ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-29 19:16             ` Khalid Aziz
2019-05-30 15:11               ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-30 16:05                 ` Khalid Aziz
2019-05-30 16:57                   ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-28 13:05   ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-06 16:30 ` [PATCH v15 06/17] mm: untag user pointers in do_pages_move Andrey Konovalov
2019-05-22 11:51   ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-06 16:30 ` [PATCH v15 07/17] mm, arm64: untag user pointers in mm/gup.c Andrey Konovalov
2019-05-22 11:56   ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-06 16:30 ` [PATCH v15 08/17] mm, arm64: untag user pointers in get_vaddr_frames Andrey Konovalov
2019-05-06 16:30 ` [PATCH v15 09/17] fs, arm64: untag user pointers in copy_mount_options Andrey Konovalov
2019-05-22 12:09   ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-06 16:30 ` [PATCH v15 10/17] fs, arm64: untag user pointers in fs/userfaultfd.c Andrey Konovalov
2019-05-06 16:30 ` [PATCH v15 11/17] drm/amdgpu, arm64: untag user pointers Andrey Konovalov
2019-05-07 16:43   ` Kuehling, Felix
2019-05-06 16:30 ` [PATCH v15 12/17] drm/radeon, arm64: untag user pointers in radeon_gem_userptr_ioctl Andrey Konovalov
2019-05-07 16:44   ` Kuehling, Felix
2019-05-06 16:30 ` [PATCH v15 13/17] IB, arm64: untag user pointers in ib_uverbs_(re)reg_mr() Andrey Konovalov
2019-05-06 19:50   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-05-07  6:33     ` Leon Romanovsky
2019-05-06 16:31 ` [PATCH v15 14/17] media/v4l2-core, arm64: untag user pointers in videobuf_dma_contig_user_get Andrey Konovalov
2019-05-24 13:13   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-05-06 16:31 ` [PATCH v15 15/17] tee, arm64: untag user pointers in tee_shm_register Andrey Konovalov
2019-05-06 16:31 ` [PATCH v15 16/17] vfio/type1, arm64: untag user pointers in vaddr_get_pfn Andrey Konovalov
2019-05-06 16:31 ` [PATCH v15 17/17] selftests, arm64: add a selftest for passing tagged pointers to kernel Andrey Konovalov
2019-05-22 14:16   ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-31 14:21     ` Andrey Konovalov
2019-05-31 16:22       ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-17 14:49 ` [PATCH v15 00/17] arm64: untag user pointers passed to the kernel Catalin Marinas
2019-05-20 23:53   ` Evgenii Stepanov
2019-05-21 18:29     ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-22  0:04       ` Kees Cook
2019-05-22 10:11         ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-22 15:30           ` enh
2019-05-22 16:35             ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-22 16:58               ` enh
2019-05-23 15:21                 ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-22 20:47               ` Kees Cook
2019-05-22 23:03                 ` Evgenii Stepanov
2019-05-22 23:09                   ` enh
2019-05-23  7:34                     ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-23 14:44                 ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-23 15:44                   ` enh
2019-05-23 17:00                     ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-23 16:38                   ` Kees Cook
2019-05-23 17:43                     ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-23 21:31                       ` Kees Cook
2019-05-24 11:20                         ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-28 17:02                         ` Catalin Marinas
2019-06-02  5:06                           ` Kees Cook
2019-05-22 19:21             ` Kees Cook
2019-05-22 20:15               ` enh
2019-05-23 15:08               ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-23 17:51         ` Khalid Aziz
2019-05-23 20:11           ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-23 21:42             ` Khalid Aziz
2019-05-23 21:49             ` Khalid Aziz
2019-05-24 10:11               ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-24 14:25                 ` Khalid Aziz
2019-05-28 14:14                   ` Andrey Konovalov
2019-05-29  6:11                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2019-05-29 12:12                       ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-30 17:15                     ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-31 14:29                       ` Andrey Konovalov
2019-05-31 16:19                         ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-31 16:24                           ` Andrey Konovalov
2019-05-31 16:46                             ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-21 18:48   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-05-22 13:49     ` Dave Martin
2019-05-23  0:20       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-05-23 10:42         ` Dave Martin
2019-05-23 16:57           ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-24 14:23             ` Dave Martin

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