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From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Cc: Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@redhat.com>,
	Denys Vlasenko <dvlasenk@redhat.com>,
	Brian Gerst <brgerst@gmail.com>,
	Julien Thierry <julien.thierry@arm.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	valentin.schneider@arm.com, Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>,
	Linux List Kernel Mailing <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, James Morse <james.morse@arm.com>,
	Andrew Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>, Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	"linux-alpha@vger.kernel.org"
	<linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] sched/x86: Save [ER]FLAGS on context switch
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2019 14:08:11 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAHk-=wh1B9eRG=gj7wsFVC5XNEedk8Edive-2cQok6T2dNq2aQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.21.1902212231490.1612@nanos.tec.linutronix.de>

On Thu, Feb 21, 2019 at 1:35 PM Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de> wrote:
>
> IMNSHO any call inside a AC region is a bug lurking round the corner. The
> only thing which is tolerable is an exception of some sort.
>
> Enforce that with objtool. End of story.

Not quite that simple.

There are some use cases where you really do want a call - albeit to
special functions - inside the AC region.

The prime example of this is likely "filldir()" in fs/readdir.c, which
is actually somewhat important for some loads (eg samba).

And the whole AC thing made it horribly horribly slow because readdir
is one of those things that doesn't just copy one value (or one
structure) to user space, but writes several different things.

Kind of like signal frame setup does.

You may not realize that right now signal frame setup *does* actually
do a call with AC set. See ia32_setup_rt_frame() that does

        put_user_try {
...
                compat_save_altstack_ex(&frame->uc.uc_stack, regs->sp);
...
        } put_user_catch(err);

is a macro, but inside that macro is a call to sas_ss_reset().

Now, that is an inline function, so it hopefully doesn't actually
cause a call. But it's "only" an inline function, not "always_inline".
We did already have (and I rejected, for now) patches that made those
inlines not very strong...

[ Side note: currently signal frame setup uses the absolutely
*disgusting* put_user_ex() thing, but that's actually what
unsafe_put_user() was designed for. I just never got around to getting
rid of the nasty hot mess of put_user_ex() ]

Anyway, while signal frame setup just writes individual values,
"filldir()" does *both* several individual values _and_ does a
copy_to_user().

And it's that "copy_to_user()" that I want to eventually change to a
"unsafe_copy_to_user()", along with making the individual values be
written with unsafe_put_user().

Right now "filldir()" messes with AC a total of *six* times. It sets
four field values, and then does a "copy_to_user()", all of which
set/clear AC right now. It's wasting hundreds of cycles on this,
because AC is so slow to set/clear.

If AC was cheap, this wouldn't be much of an issue. But AC is really
really expensive. I think it's microcode and serializes the pipeline
or something.

Anyway. We already have a possible call site, and there are good
reasons for future ones too. But they are hopefully all very
controlled.

                 Linus

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  reply	other threads:[~2019-02-21 22:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 88+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-01-15 13:58 [PATCH v3 0/4] uaccess: Add unsafe accessors for arm64 Julien Thierry
2019-01-15 13:58 ` [PATCH v3 1/4] arm64: uaccess: Cleanup get/put_user() Julien Thierry
2019-01-15 13:58 ` [PATCH v3 2/4] arm64: uaccess: Implement unsafe accessors Julien Thierry
2019-01-15 13:58 ` [PATCH v3 3/4] uaccess: Check no rescheduling function is called in unsafe region Julien Thierry
2019-01-30 16:58   ` Valentin Schneider
2019-02-04 13:27     ` Julien Thierry
2019-02-11 13:45   ` Ingo Molnar
2019-02-11 13:51     ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-02-12  9:15       ` Julien Thierry
2019-02-13  8:21         ` Ingo Molnar
2019-02-13 10:35         ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-02-13 10:50           ` Julien Thierry
2019-02-13 13:17             ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-02-13 13:20               ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-02-13 14:00               ` Will Deacon
2019-02-13 14:07                 ` Julien Thierry
2019-02-13 14:17                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-02-13 14:24                   ` Julien Thierry
2019-02-13 14:40                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-02-13 15:08                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-02-13 14:25                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-02-13 14:39                   ` Julien Thierry
2019-02-13 14:41                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-02-13 15:45                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-02-13 18:54                         ` Peter Zijlstra
     [not found]                         ` <D61C430D-4321-4114-AB85-671A3C7B8EAE@amacapital.net>
2019-02-13 22:21                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-02-13 22:49                             ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-02-14 10:14                               ` [PATCH] sched/x86: Save [ER]FLAGS on context switch Peter Zijlstra
2019-02-14 16:18                                 ` Brian Gerst
2019-02-14 19:34                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-02-15 14:34                                     ` Brian Gerst
2019-02-15 17:18                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2019-02-15 17:40                                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-02-15 18:28                                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-02-15 23:34                                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-02-16  0:21                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2019-02-16 10:32                                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-02-16  4:06                                 ` hpa
2019-02-16 10:30                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-02-18 22:30                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2019-02-19  0:24                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2019-02-19  2:20                                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-02-19  2:46                                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2019-02-19  9:07                                             ` Julien Thierry
2019-02-19  8:53                                         ` Julien Thierry
2019-02-19  9:15                                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-02-19  9:19                                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-02-19  9:04                                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-02-19  9:21                                         ` hpa
2019-02-19  9:44                                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-02-19 11:38                                           ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-02-19 11:58                                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-02-19 12:48                                         ` Will Deacon
2019-02-20 22:55                                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2019-02-21 12:06                                             ` Julien Thierry
2019-02-21 21:35                                               ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-02-21 22:08                                                 ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2019-02-22 12:58                                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-02-22 18:10                                                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-02-22 22:26                                                     ` [RFC][PATCH] objtool: STAC/CLAC validation Peter Zijlstra
2019-02-22 23:34                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2019-02-23  8:43                                                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-02-22 23:39                                                       ` hpa
2019-02-23  8:39                                                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-02-25  8:47                                                           ` hpa
2019-02-25 13:21                                                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-03-01 15:07                                                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-02-25  8:49                                                           ` hpa
2019-02-22 23:55                                                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-02-23  8:37                                                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-02-23 10:52                                                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-02-25 10:51                                                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-02-25 11:53                                                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-02-25 15:36                                                             ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-02-23  0:34                                                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-02-23  1:12                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2019-02-23  1:16                                                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-02-23  1:33                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2019-02-23  1:40                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2019-02-25  8:33                                                       ` Julien Thierry
2019-02-25 11:55                                                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-02-21 12:46                                             ` [PATCH] sched/x86: Save [ER]FLAGS on context switch Will Deacon
2019-02-21 22:06                                               ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-02-18  9:03                                 ` [PATCH v2] " Peter Zijlstra
2019-02-13 23:19                         ` [PATCH v3 3/4] uaccess: Check no rescheduling function is called in unsafe region Linus Torvalds
2019-01-15 13:58 ` [PATCH v3 4/4] arm64: uaccess: Implement user_access_region_active Julien Thierry
2019-01-25 14:27 ` [PATCH v3 0/4] uaccess: Add unsafe accessors for arm64 Catalin Marinas
2019-01-30 16:17 ` Julien Thierry

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