From: Alex Elder <elder@linaro.org>
To: Johannes Berg <johannes@sipsolutions.net>,
Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>, Dan Williams <dcbw@redhat.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 00/17] net: introduce Qualcomm IPA driver
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2019 11:21:37 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <db34aa39-6cf1-4844-1bfe-528e391c3729@linaro.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <abdfc6b3a9981bcdef40f85f5442a425ce109010.camel@sipsolutions.net>
On 6/18/19 2:03 PM, Johannes Berg wrote:
> On Tue, 2019-06-18 at 08:45 -0500, Alex Elder wrote:
>
>> If it had a well-defined way of creating new channels to be
>> multiplexed over the connection to the modem, the IPA driver
>> (rather than the rmnet driver) could present network interfaces
>> for each and perform the multiplexing.
>
> Right. That's what I was thinking of.
. . .
>> But I think the IPA driver would register with the WWAN core as
>> a "provider," and then the WWAN core would subsequently request
>> that it instantiate netdevices to represent channels on demand
>> (rather than registering them).
>
> Yeah, I guess you could call it that way.
>
> Really there are two possible ways (and they intersect to some extent).
>
> One is the whole multi-function device, where a single WWAN device is
> composed of channels offered by actually different drivers, e.g. for a
> typical USB device you might have something like cdc_ether and the
> usb_wwan TTY driver. In this way, we need to "compose" the WWAN device
> similarly, e.g. by using the underlying USB device "struct device"
> pointer to tie it together.
I *think* this model makes the most sense. But at this point
it would take very little to convince me otherwise... (And then
I saw Arnd's message advocating the other one, unfortunately...)
> The other is something like IPA or the Intel modem driver, where the
> device is actually a single (e.g. PCIe) device and just has a single
> driver, but that single driver offers different channels.
What I don't like about this is that it's more monolithic. It
seems better to have the low-level IPA or Intel modem driver (or
any other driver that can support communication between the AP
and WWAN device) present communication paths that other function-
specific drivers can attach to and use.
> Now, it's not clear to me where IPA actually falls, because so far we've
> been talking about the IPA driver only as providing *netdevs*, not any
> control channels, so I'm not actually sure where the control channel is.
There is user space code that handles all of this, and as far as I
can tell, parts of it will always remain proprietary.
> For the Intel device, however, the control channel is definitely
> provided by exactly the same driver as the data channels (netdevs).
I do see the need for a control interface. But I suspect it
would *overlap* with what you describe and might need to be more
general and/or extensible. Are there control channels specific to
use for a modem--like a "modem control interface" or something?
Is there something broader, like "this WWAN device supports
functions A, and B with protocols X, Y; please open a connection
to A with protocol X." Do both exist? I'm just trying to contain
whatever a "control channel" really represents, and what it would
be associated with.
> "provider" is a good word, and in fact the Intel driver would also be a
> provider for a GNSS channel (TBD how to represent, a tty?), one or
> multiple debug/tracing channels, data channels (netdevs), AT command
> channels (mbim, ...?) (again tbd how to represent, ttys?), etc.
Yes, this is much clearer to me now.
> What I showed in the header files I posted so far was the provider only
> having "data channel" ops (create/remove a netdev) but for each channel
> type we either want a new method there, or we just change the method to
> be something like
>
> int (*create_channel)(..., enum wwan_chan_type chan_type, ...);
>
> and simply require that the channel is attached to the wwan device with
> the representation-specific call (wwan_attach_netdev, wwan_attach_tty,
> ...).
Or maybe have the WWAN device present interfaces with attributes,
and have drivers that are appropriate for each interface attach
to only the ones they recognize they support.
-Alex
> This is a bit less comfortable because then it's difficult to know what
> was actually created upon the request, so it's probably better to have
> different methods for the different types of representations (like I had
> - add_netdev, add_tty, ...).
>
> Note also that I said "representation-specific", while passing a
> "channel type", so for this we'd actually need a convention on what
> channel type has what kind of representation, which again gets awkward.
> Better to make it explicit.
>
> (And even then, we might be able to let userspace have some control,
> e.g. the driver might be able to create a debug channel as both a TTY or
> something else)
>
> johannes
>
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Thread overview: 106+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2019-05-31 3:53 [PATCH v2 00/17] net: introduce Qualcomm IPA driver Alex Elder
2019-05-31 3:53 ` [PATCH v2 01/17] bitfield.h: add FIELD_MAX() and field_max() Alex Elder
2019-05-31 3:53 ` [PATCH v2 02/17] dt-bindings: soc: qcom: add IPA bindings Alex Elder
2019-06-10 22:08 ` Rob Herring
2019-06-11 2:11 ` Alex Elder
2019-07-03 15:09 ` Alex Elder
2019-05-31 3:53 ` [PATCH v2 03/17] soc: qcom: ipa: main code Alex Elder
2019-05-31 21:50 ` David Miller
2019-05-31 22:25 ` Alex Elder
2019-05-31 3:53 ` [PATCH v2 04/17] soc: qcom: ipa: configuration data Alex Elder
2019-05-31 3:53 ` [PATCH v2 05/17] soc: qcom: ipa: clocking, interrupts, and memory Alex Elder
2019-05-31 3:53 ` [PATCH v2 06/17] soc: qcom: ipa: GSI headers Alex Elder
2019-05-31 3:53 ` [PATCH v2 07/17] soc: qcom: ipa: the generic software interface Alex Elder
2019-05-31 3:53 ` [PATCH v2 08/17] soc: qcom: ipa: GSI transactions Alex Elder
2019-05-31 3:53 ` [PATCH v2 09/17] soc: qcom: ipa: IPA interface to GSI Alex Elder
2019-05-31 3:53 ` [PATCH v2 10/17] soc: qcom: ipa: IPA endpoints Alex Elder
2019-05-31 3:53 ` [PATCH v2 11/17] soc: qcom: ipa: immediate commands Alex Elder
2019-05-31 3:53 ` [PATCH v2 12/17] soc: qcom: ipa: IPA network device and microcontroller Alex Elder
2019-05-31 3:53 ` [PATCH v2 13/17] soc: qcom: ipa: AP/modem communications Alex Elder
2019-05-31 3:53 ` [PATCH v2 14/17] soc: qcom: ipa: support build of IPA code Alex Elder
2019-05-31 3:53 ` [PATCH v2 15/17] MAINTAINERS: add entry for the Qualcomm IPA driver Alex Elder
2019-05-31 3:53 ` [PATCH v2 16/17] arm64: dts: sdm845: add IPA information Alex Elder
2019-05-31 3:53 ` [PATCH v2 17/17] arm64: defconfig: enable build of IPA code Alex Elder
2019-05-31 14:58 ` [PATCH v2 00/17] net: introduce Qualcomm IPA driver Dan Williams
2019-05-31 16:36 ` Alex Elder
2019-05-31 19:19 ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-05-31 20:47 ` Alex Elder
2019-05-31 21:12 ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-05-31 22:08 ` Alex Elder
2019-06-07 17:43 ` Alex Elder
2019-05-31 23:33 ` Bjorn Andersson
2019-05-31 23:59 ` Subash Abhinov Kasiviswanathan
2019-06-03 10:04 ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-06-03 13:32 ` Alex Elder
2019-06-04 8:13 ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-06-04 15:18 ` Dan Williams
2019-06-04 20:04 ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-06-04 21:29 ` Dan Williams
2019-06-06 17:42 ` Alex Elder
2019-06-11 8:12 ` Johannes Berg
2019-06-11 11:56 ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-06-11 15:53 ` Dan Williams
2019-06-11 16:52 ` Subash Abhinov Kasiviswanathan
2019-06-11 17:22 ` Dan Williams
2019-06-12 8:31 ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-06-12 14:27 ` Dan Williams
2019-06-12 15:06 ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-06-17 11:42 ` Johannes Berg
2019-06-17 12:25 ` Johannes Berg
2019-06-18 15:20 ` Alex Elder
2019-06-18 18:06 ` Dan Williams
2019-06-24 16:21 ` Alex Elder
2019-06-25 14:14 ` Johannes Berg
2019-06-26 13:36 ` Alex Elder
2019-06-26 17:55 ` Johannes Berg
2019-06-18 18:48 ` Johannes Berg
2019-06-24 16:21 ` Alex Elder
2019-06-18 13:45 ` Alex Elder
2019-06-18 19:03 ` Johannes Berg
2019-06-18 20:09 ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-06-18 20:15 ` Johannes Berg
2019-06-18 20:33 ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-06-18 20:39 ` Johannes Berg
2019-06-18 21:06 ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-06-19 20:56 ` Dan Williams
2019-06-24 16:21 ` Alex Elder [this message]
2019-06-24 16:40 ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-06-25 14:19 ` Johannes Berg
2019-06-26 13:39 ` Alex Elder
2019-06-26 13:58 ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-06-26 17:48 ` Johannes Berg
2019-06-26 17:45 ` Johannes Berg
2019-06-26 13:51 ` Alex Elder
2019-06-17 11:28 ` Johannes Berg
2019-06-18 13:16 ` Alex Elder
2019-06-18 13:48 ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-06-18 19:14 ` Johannes Berg
2019-06-18 19:59 ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-06-18 20:36 ` Johannes Berg
2019-06-18 20:55 ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-06-18 21:02 ` Johannes Berg
2019-06-18 21:15 ` Subash Abhinov Kasiviswanathan
2019-06-19 12:23 ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-06-19 18:47 ` Subash Abhinov Kasiviswanathan
2019-06-20 1:25 ` Dan Williams
2019-06-24 16:21 ` Alex Elder
2019-06-17 12:14 ` Johannes Berg
2019-06-18 14:00 ` Alex Elder
2019-06-18 19:22 ` Johannes Berg
2019-06-24 16:21 ` Alex Elder
2019-06-03 14:50 ` Dan Williams
2019-06-03 14:54 ` Dan Williams
2019-06-03 15:52 ` Alex Elder
2019-06-03 16:18 ` Dan Williams
2019-06-03 19:04 ` Subash Abhinov Kasiviswanathan
2019-06-04 15:21 ` Dan Williams
2019-05-31 23:27 ` Bjorn Andersson
2019-06-10 2:44 ` Alex Elder
2019-06-20 13:41 ` [PATCH v2 05/17] soc: qcom: ipa: clocking, interrupts, and memory Hillf Danton
2019-06-24 16:30 ` WWAN Controller Framework (was IPA [PATCH v2 00/17]) Alex Elder
2019-06-24 17:06 ` Alex Elder
2019-06-25 14:34 ` Johannes Berg
2019-06-26 13:40 ` Alex Elder
2019-06-26 17:58 ` Johannes Berg
2019-06-24 19:54 ` Dan Williams
2019-06-24 21:16 ` Alex Elder
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