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From: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>
To: "Koenig, Christian" <Christian.Koenig@amd.com>,
	Michael Ellerman <mpe@ellerman.id.au>,
	Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>
Cc: "Carsten Haitzler" <Carsten.Haitzler@arm.com>,
	"Ard Biesheuvel" <ard.biesheuvel@linaro.org>,
	"David Airlie" <airlied@linux.ie>,
	"Michel Dänzer" <michel@daenzer.net>,
	"Linux Kernel Mailing List" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	dri-devel <dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org>,
	"Huang, Ray" <Ray.Huang@amd.com>,
	"Zhang, Jerry" <Jerry.Zhang@amd.com>,
	linux-arm-kernel <linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>,
	"Bernhard Rosenkränzer" <Bernhard.Rosenkranzer@linaro.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH] drm/ttm: force cached mappings for system RAM on ARM
Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2019 16:59:53 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <db8cd68b82cda0ee0d352fdb709a76151798f9f5.camel@kernel.crashing.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <9dc27cbf-e109-0c32-fc92-6fce1b224cda@amd.com>

On Wed, 2019-01-16 at 07:35 +0000, Koenig, Christian wrote:
> No, but you answer the wrong question.
> 
> See we don't want to have different mappings of cached and non-cached on 
> the CPU, but rather want to know if a snooped DMA from the PCIe counts 
> as cached access as well.
> 
> As far as I know on x86 it doesn't, so when you have an un-cached page 
> you can still access it with a snooping DMA read/write operation and 
> don't cause trouble.

Hrm... well, if you map it uncached on the CPU on powerpc, a snoop DMA
will work fine too, it won't hit any cache. The only problem I'm aware
of is a core (or CAPI device) emiting non-cached load/stores colliding
with a cache snooper.

> > The old hack of using non-cached mapping to avoid snoop cost in AGP and
> > others is just that ... an ugly and horrible hacks that should have
> > never eventuated, when the search for performance pushes HW people into
> > utter insanity :)
> 
> Well I agree that un-cached system memory makes things much more 
> complicated for a questionable gain.
> 
> But fact is we now have to deal with the mess, so no point in 
> complaining about it to much :)

I wish we could just sent the HW designers home and tell them we won't
support that crap... oh well.

Ben.

> Cheers,
> Christian.
> 
> > Cheers,
> > Ben.
> > 
> > 


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Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-01-10  7:28 [RFC PATCH] drm/ttm: force cached mappings for system RAM on ARM Ard Biesheuvel
2019-01-10  8:36 ` Zhang, Jerry(Junwei)
2019-01-10  8:36 ` Koenig, Christian
2019-01-10  9:34 ` Michel Dänzer
2019-01-14 10:53   ` Ard Biesheuvel
2019-01-14 11:38     ` Koenig, Christian
2019-01-14 17:32       ` Ard Biesheuvel
     [not found]         ` <9f956898-7973-98ee-6bf1-e1d445e9d365@amd.com>
2019-01-14 19:13           ` Will Deacon
2019-01-14 19:21             ` Koenig, Christian
2019-01-14 19:35               ` Will Deacon
2019-01-15 11:31                 ` Michael Ellerman
2019-01-16  0:33                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2019-01-16  7:35                     ` Koenig, Christian
2019-01-16  7:47                       ` Ard Biesheuvel
2019-01-17  6:07                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2019-01-17  8:02                           ` Ard Biesheuvel
2019-01-17  5:59                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt [this message]

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