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From: Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>
To: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Linux-MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	linux-fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-block <linux-block@vger.kernel.org>,
	Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>, Chris Mason <clm@fb.com>,
	Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCHSET v3 0/5] Support for RWF_UNCACHED
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2019 18:30:52 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <052a73a4-353a-05fc-8c21-41efbe234ece@kernel.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20191211210401.GA158617@cmpxchg.org>

On 12/11/19 2:04 PM, Johannes Weiner wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 12:18:38PM -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote:
>> On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 12:08 PM Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk> wrote:
>>>
>>> $ cat /proc/meminfo | grep -i active
>>> Active:           134136 kB
>>> Inactive:       28683916 kB
>>> Active(anon):      97064 kB
>>> Inactive(anon):        4 kB
>>> Active(file):      37072 kB
>>> Inactive(file): 28683912 kB
>>
>> Yeah, that should not put pressure on some swap activity. We have 28
>> GB of basically free inactive file data, and the VM is doing something
>> very very bad if it then doesn't just quickly free it with no real
>> drama.
> 
> I was looking at this with Jens offline last week. One thing to note
> is the rate of IO that Jens is working with: combined with the low
> cache hit rate, it was pushing upwards of half a million pages through
> the page cache each second.
> 
> There isn't anything obvious sticking out in the kswapd profile: it's
> dominated by cache tree deletions (or rather replacing pages with
> shadow entries, hence the misleading xas_store()), tree lock
> contention, etc. - all work that a direct reclaimer would have to do
> as well, with one exceptions: RWC_UNCACHED doesn't need to go through
> the LRU list, and 8-9% of kswapd cycles alone are going into
> physically getting pages off the list. (And I suspect part of that is
> also contention over the LRU lock as kswapd gets overwhelmed and
> direct reclaim kicks in).
> 
> Jens, how much throughput difference does kswapd vs RWC_UNCACHED make?

It's not huge, like 5-10%. The CPU usage is the most noticable,
particularly at the higher IO rates.

-- 
Jens Axboe


  reply	other threads:[~2019-12-12  1:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-12-11 15:29 [PATCHSET v3 0/5] Support for RWF_UNCACHED Jens Axboe
2019-12-11 15:29 ` [PATCH 1/5] fs: add read support " Jens Axboe
2019-12-11 15:29 ` [PATCH 2/5] mm: make generic_perform_write() take a struct kiocb Jens Axboe
2019-12-11 15:29 ` [PATCH 3/5] mm: make buffered writes work with RWF_UNCACHED Jens Axboe
2019-12-11 15:29 ` [PATCH 4/5] iomap: pass in the write_begin/write_end flags to iomap_actor Jens Axboe
2019-12-11 17:19   ` Linus Torvalds
2019-12-11 15:29 ` [PATCH 5/5] iomap: support RWF_UNCACHED for buffered writes Jens Axboe
2019-12-11 17:19   ` Matthew Wilcox
2019-12-11 18:05     ` Jens Axboe
2019-12-12 22:34   ` Dave Chinner
2019-12-13  0:54     ` Jens Axboe
2019-12-13  0:57       ` Jens Axboe
2019-12-16  4:17         ` Dave Chinner
2019-12-17 14:31           ` Jens Axboe
2019-12-18  0:49             ` Dave Chinner
2019-12-18  1:01               ` Jens Axboe
2019-12-11 17:37 ` [PATCHSET v3 0/5] Support for RWF_UNCACHED Linus Torvalds
2019-12-11 17:56   ` Jens Axboe
2019-12-11 19:14     ` Linus Torvalds
2019-12-11 19:34     ` Jens Axboe
2019-12-11 20:03       ` Linus Torvalds
2019-12-11 20:08         ` Jens Axboe
2019-12-11 20:18           ` Linus Torvalds
2019-12-11 21:04             ` Johannes Weiner
2019-12-12  1:30               ` Jens Axboe [this message]
2019-12-11 23:41             ` Jens Axboe
2019-12-12  1:08               ` Linus Torvalds
2019-12-12  1:11                 ` Jens Axboe
2019-12-12  1:22                   ` Linus Torvalds
2019-12-12  1:29                     ` Jens Axboe
2019-12-12  1:41                       ` Linus Torvalds
2019-12-12  1:56                         ` Matthew Wilcox
2019-12-12  2:47                           ` Linus Torvalds
2019-12-12 17:52                             ` Matthew Wilcox
2019-12-12 18:29                               ` Linus Torvalds
2019-12-12 20:05                                 ` Matthew Wilcox
2019-12-12  1:41                       ` Jens Axboe
2019-12-12  1:49                         ` Linus Torvalds
2019-12-12  1:09               ` Jens Axboe
2019-12-12  2:03                 ` Jens Axboe
2019-12-12  2:10                   ` Jens Axboe
2019-12-12  2:21                   ` Matthew Wilcox
2019-12-12  2:38                     ` Jens Axboe
2019-12-12 22:18                 ` Dave Chinner
2019-12-13  1:32                   ` Chris Mason
2020-01-07 17:42                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-01-08 14:09                       ` Chris Mason
2020-02-01 10:33                     ` Andres Freund
2019-12-11 20:43           ` Matthew Wilcox
2019-12-11 20:04       ` Jens Axboe
2019-12-12 10:44 ` Martin Steigerwald
2019-12-12 15:16   ` Jens Axboe
2019-12-12 21:45     ` Martin Steigerwald
2019-12-12 22:15       ` Jens Axboe
2019-12-12 22:18     ` Linus Torvalds

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