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From: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>, Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
Cc: martin.petersen@oracle.com, axboe@kernel.dk,
	linux-ide@vger.kernel.org, linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-block@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: support ranges TRIM for libata
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2017 09:47:41 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1490276861.2202.8.camel@HansenPartnership.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170322181947.GA4733@lst.de>

On Wed, 2017-03-22 at 19:19 +0100, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 02:59:01PM -0400, Tejun Heo wrote:
> > I do like the fact that this is a lot simpler than the previous
> > implementation but am not quite sure we want to deviate 
> > significantly from what we do for other commands (command 
> > translation).  Is it because fixing the existing implementation 
> > would involve invaisve changes including memory allocations?
> 
> The current implementation already has the issue of that it does
> corrupt user data reliably if the using SG_IO for WRITE SAME
> commands.

That does need fixing.

> Doing ranges using translation would turn into a nightmare because
> ATA TRIM ranges are 16 bits long while SCSI UNAMP ranges are 32-bit,
> so we effectively can't translated them without introducing a
> non-standard hook between libata and scsi to communicate that
> limit.

Why can't we do what the t10 sat document recommends: if the ATA device
doesn't support the XL version (32 bit ranges) then translate unmap to
multiple non-XL commands?

I don't necessarily object to the vendor specific 1<->1 approach, it's
just it won't fix the problem you cited above (SG_IO WRITE SAME), its
just that now we error the command, which may cause some surprise.  I
also wonder if we couldn't simply do an ATA_16 TRIM if we're already
going to all the trouble of recognising ATA devices in the sd discard
path?

James

>   And once we're down that path we might as well just do the
> right thing directly.

  reply	other threads:[~2017-03-23 13:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-03-20 20:43 support ranges TRIM for libata Christoph Hellwig
2017-03-20 20:43 ` [PATCH 1/7] ѕd: split sd_setup_discard_cmnd Christoph Hellwig
2017-03-27 22:24   ` Bart Van Assche
2017-03-28 14:05     ` axboe
2017-03-30  8:49       ` hch
2017-03-20 20:43 ` [PATCH 2/7] sd: provide a new ata trim provisioning mode Christoph Hellwig
2017-03-27 22:40   ` Bart Van Assche
2017-03-20 20:43 ` [PATCH 3/7] libata: remove SCT WRITE SAME support Christoph Hellwig
2017-03-20 20:43 ` [PATCH 4/7] libata: simplify the trim implementation Christoph Hellwig
2017-03-20 20:43 ` [PATCH 5/7] block: add a max_discard_segment_size queue limit Christoph Hellwig
2017-03-27 23:09   ` Bart Van Assche
2017-03-20 20:43 ` [PATCH 6/7] sd: support multi-range TRIM for ATA disks Christoph Hellwig
2017-03-27 23:38   ` Bart Van Assche
2017-03-20 20:43 ` [PATCH 7/7] sd: use ZERO_PAGE for WRITE_SAME payloads Christoph Hellwig
2017-03-27 23:40   ` Bart Van Assche
2017-03-21 18:59 ` support ranges TRIM for libata Tejun Heo
2017-03-22 18:19   ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-03-23 13:47     ` James Bottomley [this message]
2017-03-23 13:55       ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-03-23 14:35         ` James Bottomley
2017-03-23 14:43           ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-03-23 15:04             ` Tejun Heo
2017-03-23 15:27               ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-03-23 15:30             ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-03-23 15:39               ` Martin K. Petersen

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