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From: Trond Myklebust <trondmy@hammerspace.com>
To: "bfields@fieldses.org" <bfields@fieldses.org>,
	"jra@samba.org" <jra@samba.org>,
	"slow@samba.org" <slow@samba.org>,
	"dai.ngo@oracle.com" <dai.ngo@oracle.com>
Cc: "linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org" <linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-cifs@vger.kernel.org" <linux-cifs@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Locking issue between NFSv4 and SMB client
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2021 04:13:23 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ea40f67038f822d13407becb7e4eedc31e5edbb0.camel@hammerspace.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f4b9eb02-73e6-f082-6657-87a007b99198@samba.org>

On Fri, 2021-09-24 at 05:46 +0200, Ralph Boehme wrote:
> Am 24.09.21 um 05:35 schrieb Trond Myklebust:
> > Not if you set the "kernel oplocks" parameter in the smb.conf file.
> > We
> > just added support for this in the Linux 5.14 kernel NFSv4 client.
> > 
> > Now that said, "kernel oplocks" will currently only support basic
> > level
> > I oplocks, and cannot support level II or leases. According to the
> > smb.conf manpage, this is due to some incompleteness in the current
> > VFS
> > lease implementation.
> > 
> > I'd love to get some more info from the Samba team about what is
> > missing from the kernel lease implementation that prevents us from
> > implementing these more advanced oplock/lease features. From the
> > description in Microsoft's docs, I'm pretty sure that NFSv4
> > delegations
> > should be able to provide all the guarantees that are required.
> 
> leases can be shared among file handles. When someone requests a
> lease 
> he passes a cookie. Then when he opens the same file with the same 
> cookie the lease is not broken.

Right, but that is easily solved in user space by having the cookie act
as a key that references the file descriptor that holds the lease. This
is how we typically implement NFSv4 delegations as well.

> 
> Maybe others can comment on the level II oplock problem. Afaik this
> was 
> more a lack of testing.

That would really be a bit of a shame, since the use of leases on top
of networked or clustered filesystems could help speed up state
management operations by avoiding the need for a separate distributed
lock manager.

-- 
Trond Myklebust
Linux NFS client maintainer, Hammerspace
trond.myklebust@hammerspace.com



  reply	other threads:[~2021-09-24  4:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-07-15 23:45 Locking issue between NFSv4 and SMB client dai.ngo
2021-07-15 23:47 ` dai.ngo
2021-09-23 21:50 ` Bruce Fields
2021-09-23 22:39   ` dai.ngo
2021-09-24  0:51     ` Jeremy Allison
2021-09-24  0:56       ` Bruce Fields
2021-10-07 17:03     ` dai.ngo
2021-10-07 17:38       ` dai.ngo
2021-10-11 16:21         ` Bruce Fields
2021-09-24  3:35   ` Trond Myklebust
2021-09-24  3:46     ` Ralph Boehme
2021-09-24  4:13       ` Trond Myklebust [this message]
2021-09-24  4:55         ` Ralph Boehme
2021-09-24 16:36         ` Jeremy Allison
2021-09-24 16:45           ` bfields

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