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From: Pascal Van Leeuwen <pvanleeuwen@verimatrix.com>
To: Ard Biesheuvel <ard.biesheuvel@linaro.org>,
	Herbert Xu <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au>
Cc: Milan Broz <gmazyland@gmail.com>,
	Horia Geanta <horia.geanta@nxp.com>,
	"linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org" <linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org>,
	"dm-devel@redhat.com" <dm-devel@redhat.com>
Subject: RE: xts fuzz testing and lack of ciphertext stealing support
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2019 17:03:26 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <MN2PR20MB2973DE308D0050DBF3F26870CAC80@MN2PR20MB2973.namprd20.prod.outlook.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAKv+Gu9qm8mDZASJasq18bW=4_oE-cKPGKvdF9+8=7VNo==_fA@mail.gmail.com>

> > > For XTS, you have this additional curve ball being thrown in called the "tweak".
> > > For encryption, the underlying "xts" would need to be able to chain the tweak,
> > > from what I've seen of the source the implementation cannot do that.
> >
> > You simply use the underlying xts for the first n - 2 blocks and
> > do the last two by hand.
> >
> 
> OK, so it appears the XTS ciphertext stealing algorithm does not
> include the peculiar reordering of the 2 final blocks, which means
> that the kernel's implementation of XTS already conforms to the spec
> for inputs that are a multiple of the block size.
> 
Yes, for XTS you effectively don't do CTS if it's a 16 byte multiple ...

> The reason I am not a fan of making any changes here is that there are
> no in-kernel users that require ciphertext stealing for XTS, nor is
> anyone aware of any reason why we should be adding it to the userland
> interface. So we are basically adding dead code so that we are
> theoretically compliant in a way that we will never exercise in
> practice.
> 
You know, having worked on all kinds of workarounds for silly irrelevant
(IMHO) corner cases in  the inside-secure hardware driver over the past
months just to keep testmgr happy, this is kind of ironic ...

Cipher text stealing happens to be a *major* part of the XTS specification
(it's not actually XTS without the CTS part!), yet you are suggesting not 
to implement it because *you* don't have or know a use case for it.
That seems like a pretty bad argument to me. It's not some minor corner 
case that's not supported.The implementation is just *incomplete*
without it.

> Note that for software algorithms such as the bit sliced NEON
> implementation of AES, which can only operate on 8 AES blocks at a
> time, doing the final 2 blocks sequentially is going to seriously
> impact performance. This means whatever wrapper we invent around xex()
> (or whatever we call it) should go out of its way to ensure that the
> common, non-CTS case does not regress in performance, and the special
> handling is only invoked when necessary (which will be never).
>
I pretty much made the same argument about all these driver workarounds
slowing down my driver fast path but that was considered a non-issue.

In this particular case, it should not need to be more than:

if (unlikely(size & 15)) {
  xts_with_partial_last_block();
} else {
  xts_with_only_full_blocks();
}

Regards,
Pascal van Leeuwen
Silicon IP Architect, Multi-Protocol Engines @ Verimatrix
www.insidesecure.com


  parent reply	other threads:[~2019-07-18 17:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 65+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-07-16 17:46 xts fuzz testing and lack of ciphertext stealing support Horia Geanta
2019-07-16 22:16 ` Eric Biggers
2019-07-17 17:09   ` Horia Geanta
2019-07-17 17:28     ` Eric Biggers
2019-07-17 18:08       ` Ard Biesheuvel
2019-07-18  6:52         ` Herbert Xu
2019-07-18  7:15           ` Ard Biesheuvel
2019-07-18  7:21             ` Herbert Xu
2019-07-18  7:28               ` Ard Biesheuvel
2019-07-18  7:50                 ` Herbert Xu
2019-07-18  7:40               ` Milan Broz
2019-07-18 10:40                 ` Pascal Van Leeuwen
2019-07-18 11:19                   ` Milan Broz
2019-07-18 15:27                     ` Herbert Xu
2019-07-20  6:58                     ` [dm-devel] " Eric Biggers
2019-07-20  7:35                       ` Milan Broz
2019-07-21  9:50                         ` Ard Biesheuvel
2019-07-22  9:44                           ` Pascal Van Leeuwen
2019-07-22 16:43                             ` Ard Biesheuvel
2019-07-22 22:46                               ` Pascal Van Leeuwen
2019-07-24 12:23                               ` Pascal Van Leeuwen
2019-07-24 12:50                                 ` Pascal Van Leeuwen
2019-07-24 16:10                               ` Pascal Van Leeuwen
2019-07-25  6:22                                 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2019-07-25  7:49                                   ` Pascal Van Leeuwen
2019-07-25  8:01                                     ` Ard Biesheuvel
2019-07-26 10:31                                       ` Pascal Van Leeuwen
2019-07-26 19:59                                         ` Horia Geanta
2019-07-26 21:43                                           ` Pascal Van Leeuwen
2019-07-27  5:39                                             ` Ard Biesheuvel
2019-07-27 12:56                                               ` Pascal Van Leeuwen
2019-07-27 16:04                                               ` Milan Broz
2019-08-04  8:36                                                 ` Ard Biesheuvel
     [not found]                                         ` <20f4832e-e3af-e3c2-d946-13bf8c367a60@nxp.com>
2019-08-07 15:51                                           ` Horia Geanta
2019-08-07 20:57                                             ` Pascal Van Leeuwen
2019-08-08 14:50                                               ` Horia Geanta
2019-08-09  8:35                                                 ` Pascal Van Leeuwen
2019-08-08 13:43                                             ` Pascal Van Leeuwen
2019-08-08 18:01                                               ` Horia Geanta
2019-08-09  2:48                                                 ` Herbert Xu
2019-08-09  6:45                                                   ` Ard Biesheuvel
2019-08-09  7:44                                                     ` Horia Geanta
2019-08-09 17:49                                                       ` Ard Biesheuvel
2019-08-09 20:57                                                         ` Pascal Van Leeuwen
2019-08-10  4:39                                                           ` Ard Biesheuvel
2019-08-11 11:12                                                             ` Milan Broz
2019-08-11 20:34                                                               ` Eric Biggers
2019-08-11 21:39                                                                 ` Pascal Van Leeuwen
2019-08-11 21:29                                                               ` Pascal Van Leeuwen
2019-08-12  4:51                                                                 ` Herbert Xu
2019-08-11 21:15                                                             ` Pascal Van Leeuwen
2019-08-11 22:24                                                               ` Ard Biesheuvel
2019-08-12  1:04                                                                 ` Pascal Van Leeuwen
2019-07-18 15:29                   ` Herbert Xu
2019-07-18 15:43                     ` Pascal Van Leeuwen
2019-07-18 15:51                       ` Herbert Xu
2019-07-18 16:19                         ` Ard Biesheuvel
2019-07-18 16:22                           ` Herbert Xu
2019-07-18 17:03                           ` Pascal Van Leeuwen [this message]
2019-07-19  5:34                             ` Ard Biesheuvel
2019-07-19  7:29                               ` Pascal Van Leeuwen
2019-07-19 17:14                                 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2019-07-19 20:07                                   ` Pascal Van Leeuwen
2019-07-18 16:35                         ` Pascal Van Leeuwen
2019-07-19  1:47                           ` Herbert Xu

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