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From: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
To: Daniel Jordan <daniel.m.jordan@oracle.com>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Alexander Duyck <alexanderduyck@fb.com>,
	Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@redhat.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Ben Segall <bsegall@google.com>,
	Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com>,
	Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
	Herbert Xu <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Josh Triplett <josh@joshtriplett.org>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>, Nico Pache <npache@redhat.com>,
	Pasha Tatashin <pasha.tatashin@soleen.com>,
	Steffen Klassert <steffen.klassert@secunet.com>,
	Steve Sistare <steven.sistare@oracle.com>,
	Tim Chen <tim.c.chen@linux.intel.com>,
	Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC 15/16] sched/fair: Account kthread runtime debt for CFS bandwidth
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2022 10:18:16 -1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Yd83iDzoUOWPB6yH@slm.duckdns.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20220111162950.jk3edkm3nh5apviq@oracle.com>

Hello,

On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 11:29:50AM -0500, Daniel Jordan wrote:
...
> This problem arises with multithreaded jobs, but is also an issue in other
> places.  CPU activity from async memory reclaim (kswapd, cswapd?[5]) should be
> accounted to the cgroup that the memory belongs to, and similarly CPU activity
> from net rx should be accounted to the task groups that correspond to the
> packets being received.  There are also vague complaints from Android[6].

These are pretty big holes in CPU cycle accounting right now and I think
spend-first-and-backcharge is the right solution for most of them given
experiences from other controllers. That said,

> Each use case has its own requirements[7].  In padata and reclaim, the task
> group to account to is known ahead of time, but net rx has to spend cycles
> processing a packet before its destination task group is known, so any solution
> should be able to work without knowing the task group in advance.  Furthermore,
> the CPU controller shouldn't throttle reclaim or net rx in real time since both
> are doing high priority work.  These make approaches that run kthreads directly
> in a task group, like cgroup-aware workqueues[8] or a kernel path for
> CLONE_INTO_CGROUP, infeasible.  Running kthreads directly in cgroups also has a
> downside for padata because helpers' MAX_NICE priority is "shadowed" by the
> priority of the group entities they're running under.
> 
> The proposed solution of remote charging can accrue debt to a task group to be
> paid off or forgiven later, addressing all these issues.  A kthread calls the
> interface
> 
>     void cpu_cgroup_remote_begin(struct task_struct *p,
>                                  struct cgroup_subsys_state *css);
> 
> to begin remote charging to @css, causing @p's current sum_exec_runtime to be
> updated and saved.  The @css arg isn't required and can be removed later to
> facilitate the unknown cgroup case mentioned above.  Then the kthread calls
> another interface
> 
>     void cpu_cgroup_remote_charge(struct task_struct *p,
>                                   struct cgroup_subsys_state *css);
> 
> to account the sum_exec_runtime that @p has used since the first call.
> Internally, a new field cfs_bandwidth::debt is added to keep track of unpaid
> debt that's only used when the debt exceeds the quota in the current period.
> 
> Weight-based control isn't implemented for now since padata helpers run at
> MAX_NICE and so always yield to anything higher priority, meaning they would
> rarely compete with other task groups.

If we're gonna do this, let's please do it right and make weight based
control work too. Otherwise, its usefulness is pretty limited.

Thanks.

-- 
tejun

  reply	other threads:[~2022-01-12 20:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-01-06  0:46 [RFC 00/16] padata, vfio, sched: Multithreaded VFIO page pinning Daniel Jordan
2022-01-06  0:46 ` [RFC 01/16] padata: Remove __init from multithreading functions Daniel Jordan
2022-01-06  0:46 ` [RFC 02/16] padata: Return first error from a job Daniel Jordan
2022-01-06  0:46 ` [RFC 03/16] padata: Add undo support Daniel Jordan
2022-01-06  0:46 ` [RFC 04/16] padata: Detect deadlocks between main and helper threads Daniel Jordan
2022-01-06  0:46 ` [RFC 05/16] vfio/type1: Pass mm to vfio_pin_pages_remote() Daniel Jordan
2022-01-06  0:46 ` [RFC 06/16] vfio/type1: Refactor dma map removal Daniel Jordan
2022-01-06  0:46 ` [RFC 07/16] vfio/type1: Parallelize vfio_pin_map_dma() Daniel Jordan
2022-01-06  0:46 ` [RFC 08/16] vfio/type1: Cache locked_vm to ease mmap_lock contention Daniel Jordan
2022-01-06  0:53   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-01-06  1:17     ` Daniel Jordan
2022-01-06 12:34       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-01-06 21:05         ` Alex Williamson
2022-01-07  0:19           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-01-07  3:06             ` Daniel Jordan
2022-01-07 15:18               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-01-07 16:39                 ` Daniel Jordan
2022-01-06  0:46 ` [RFC 09/16] padata: Use kthreads in do_multithreaded Daniel Jordan
2022-01-06  0:46 ` [RFC 10/16] padata: Helpers should respect main thread's CPU affinity Daniel Jordan
2022-01-06  0:46 ` [RFC 11/16] padata: Cap helpers started to online CPUs Daniel Jordan
2022-01-06  0:46 ` [RFC 12/16] sched, padata: Bound max threads with max_cfs_bandwidth_cpus() Daniel Jordan
2022-01-06  0:46 ` [RFC 13/16] padata: Run helper threads at MAX_NICE Daniel Jordan
2022-01-06  0:46 ` [RFC 14/16] padata: Nice helper threads one by one to prevent starvation Daniel Jordan
2022-01-06  0:46 ` [RFC 15/16] sched/fair: Account kthread runtime debt for CFS bandwidth Daniel Jordan
2022-01-11 11:58   ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-01-11 16:29     ` Daniel Jordan
2022-01-12 20:18       ` Tejun Heo [this message]
2022-01-13 21:08         ` Daniel Jordan
2022-01-13 21:11           ` Daniel Jordan
2022-01-14  9:31   ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-01-14  9:40     ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-01-14 16:38       ` Tejun Heo
2022-01-18 17:40       ` Daniel Jordan
2022-01-14 16:30     ` Tejun Heo
2022-01-18 17:32     ` Daniel Jordan
2022-01-06  0:46 ` [RFC 16/16] sched/fair: Consider kthread debt in cputime Daniel Jordan
2022-01-06  1:13 ` [RFC 00/16] padata, vfio, sched: Multithreaded VFIO page pinning Jason Gunthorpe
2022-01-07  3:03   ` Daniel Jordan
2022-01-07 17:12     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-01-10 22:27       ` Daniel Jordan
2022-01-11  0:17         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-01-11 16:20           ` Daniel Jordan

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