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From: David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>
To: Petko Manolov <petkan@mip-labs.com>
Cc: dhowells@redhat.com, keyrings@vger.kernel.org,
	matthew.garrett@nebula.com,
	linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org, linux-efi@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Mimi Zohar <zohar@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 4/9] KEYS: Allow unrestricted boot-time addition of keys to secondary keyring
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 09:56:00 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <26349.1479376560@warthog.procyon.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20161117064100.hmjmfw42ytm526yh@p310>

Petko Manolov <petkan@mip-labs.com> wrote:

> On 16-11-16 18:11:13, David Howells wrote:
> > Allow keys to be added to the system secondary certificates keyring during 
> > kernel initialisation in an unrestricted fashion.  Such keys are implicitly 
> > trusted and don't have their trust chains checked on link.
> 
> Well, I for one do not explicitly trust these keys.  I may even want to 
> completely remove or replace them.

Fine be me.  However, if you remove them all I would guess that you cannot
perform a secure boot.

Note that it's to be expected that the keys being loaded from the UEFI
database cannot have their signatures checked - which is why they would have
to be implicitly trusted.  For the same reason, the kernel does not check the
signatures on the keys compiled into the kernel image.

> > This allows keys in the UEFI database to be added in secure boot mode for
> > the purposes of module signing.
> 
> The key import should not be automatic, it should be optional.

You can argue this either way.  There's a config option to allow you to turn
this on or off.  Arguably, this should be split in two: one for the whitelist
(db, MokListRT) and one for the blacklist (dbx).

Further, possibly I should add an option that allows this to be restricted to
secure boot mode only.

> Same applies to the validation process.

Depends what you mean by "the validation process"?  The use of secure boot at
all?  The checking of signatures on keys?  Module signing?

David

  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-11-17  9:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-11-16 18:10 [PATCH 0/9] KEYS: Blacklisting & UEFI database load David Howells
2016-11-16 18:10 ` [PATCH 1/9] KEYS: Add a system blacklist keyring David Howells
2016-11-16 18:10 ` [PATCH 2/9] X.509: Allow X.509 certs to be blacklisted David Howells
2016-11-16 18:11 ` [PATCH 3/9] PKCS#7: Handle blacklisted certificates David Howells
2016-11-16 18:11 ` [PATCH 4/9] KEYS: Allow unrestricted boot-time addition of keys to secondary keyring David Howells
2016-11-17  6:41   ` Petko Manolov
2016-11-17  9:56   ` David Howells [this message]
2016-11-17 11:18     ` David Howells
     [not found]     ` <26349.1479376560-S6HVgzuS8uM4Awkfq6JHfwNdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2016-11-17 10:22       ` Petko Manolov
2016-11-21 14:04       ` Mimi Zohar
2016-11-21 15:17     ` David Howells
2016-11-21 16:24       ` Mimi Zohar
2016-11-16 18:11 ` [PATCH 5/9] efi: Add SHIM and image security database GUID definitions David Howells
2016-11-21 16:07   ` Ard Biesheuvel
2016-11-16 18:11 ` [PATCH 6/9] efi: Add EFI signature data types David Howells
2016-11-16 23:43   ` Mat Martineau
     [not found]   ` <alpine.OSX.2.20.1611161535590.67352-zaFMaa3cLiZe6KzckbbZvYT4S9po1h25@public.gmane.org>
2016-11-17  9:44     ` David Howells
     [not found]       ` <26198.1479375840-S6HVgzuS8uM4Awkfq6JHfwNdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2016-11-21 16:08         ` Ard Biesheuvel
2016-11-16 18:11 ` [PATCH 7/9] efi: Add an EFI signature blob parser David Howells
2016-11-16 18:11 ` [PATCH 8/9] MODSIGN: Import certificates from UEFI Secure Boot David Howells
2016-11-21 16:16   ` Ard Biesheuvel
     [not found]     ` <CAKv+Gu_QVyd1Jx7ZdnBzYmZzUnH4ZuhQgiGO-zx-JPViWosjXQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2016-11-21 16:25       ` Josh Boyer
     [not found]         ` <CA+5PVA6dWw-p3q9SBmJwQvuru4k7JZAraRZeb2=VDf8E=c=SmA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2016-11-24 19:22           ` James Bottomley
2016-11-24 19:17       ` James Bottomley
2016-12-02 18:57         ` James Bottomley
2016-12-02 20:18           ` Mimi Zohar
2016-11-16 18:11 ` [PATCH 9/9] MODSIGN: Allow the "db" UEFI variable to be suppressed David Howells
     [not found]   ` <147931990959.16460.3038875071067540418.stgit-S6HVgzuS8uM4Awkfq6JHfwNdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2016-11-21 16:18     ` Ard Biesheuvel
     [not found]       ` <CAKv+Gu96ihE7pHrCCeCpy78man-r821b3Vs4Tn_RsYyzY4HV2Q-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2016-11-21 16:26         ` Josh Boyer
     [not found]           ` <CA+5PVA7SivAegwxdxuiAFL41Apie4JLK5KbtGGHLr1fP0p3MsQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2016-11-21 16:42             ` Ard Biesheuvel
     [not found]               ` <CAKv+Gu__wAnOawWZWVF6NF3En0suuFTBrFwwZ5KosqBU8LVHMA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2016-11-21 19:05                 ` Peter Jones
2016-11-21 19:06                   ` Ard Biesheuvel
2016-11-21 19:18                     ` Peter Jones
2016-11-21 19:33                       ` Ard Biesheuvel
2018-03-06 14:05 ` [PATCH 0/9] KEYS: Blacklisting & UEFI database load Jiri Slaby
2018-03-07 13:18   ` Mimi Zohar
2018-03-07 15:28     ` James Bottomley
2018-03-11  3:20       ` joeyli
2018-03-19 14:12         ` Mimi Zohar
2018-03-27 11:08           ` joeyli

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